At first glance I read this as Julie Ertz.12 team full ppr start qb, 2 rb, 2-3 wr, 1-2 te, d, k
Julio, Ertz, Sea DST
for
M Evans, OJ Howard, Z Moss
I would take the Evans side of this deal due mainly to 4 year age gap between him and Julio.
At first glance I read this as Julie Ertz.12 team full ppr start qb, 2 rb, 2-3 wr, 1-2 te, d, k
Julio, Ertz, Sea DST
for
M Evans, OJ Howard, Z Moss
I am going with Jones and Ertz side.12 team full ppr start qb, 2 rb, 2-3 wr, 1-2 te, d, k
Julio, Ertz, Sea DST
for
M Evans, OJ Howard, Z Moss
Give me Evans and Moss.12 team full ppr start qb, 2 rb, 2-3 wr, 1-2 te, d, k
Julio, Ertz, Sea DST
for
M Evans, OJ Howard, Z Moss
You're not wrong. I think most on this board would favor the Shenault side because there are quite a few amateur scouts around here. He was a devy darling a few years ago, injury kind of had some writing him off, and he slipped in drafts creating some sort of value, but the upside is clearly there. With that said he plays way different than Slayton who is a more vertical threat. Each is adjusting their games to the pro's. Slayton adding bulk, high point ability and open field ability, Shenault adding quickness, health, and speed to become a vertical threat. Usually the player without vertical speed isn't really expected to be faster and be the deep threat, but the player with elite speed can add more to their game. Slayton is a really weird one to me.A person's approach to this trade basically depends on how much importance they place on draft capital and college prospect profiles.
Fair question. I probably overstated the difference. I think Slay's success was largely a function of Tate, Shepard and Engram each missing a huge chunk of the season. Low draft capitol. Low BMI. Not a lot of balls to share with anyone along with Barkley, Tate, Shepard, and Engram if they are mostly healthy. But he had a lot of breakaway plays with a hot and cold rookie QB and whie not dominant, he provided a spark. I should have said that I think Shenault's physical attributes give him a better chance to be a star, but either can be solid starters for their teams or invisible 2 years down the road. I'll still take Shenault.Why doesn’t Slayton have upside?
When Evan Engram was on the field. Darius Slayton averaged six fewer targets a game. In fact, Slayton saw a significant decrease in all statistical categories with Engram healthy.
Given that Slayton is the tallest of the three wide receivers (6-1), he assumed more of a tight end role for the offense. He also assumed more targets and ran more short to intermediate routes without their star tight end (as indicated by his yards per reception).
With Engram fully healthy, Slayton will have a hard time getting enough targets to be fantasy relevant. His yards per reception will surely go up, but with so many options for Daniel Jones, Slayton will be too volatile for fantasy owners in 2020.
You'd have to think Slayton was a mid-second round pick to accept that deal. I can see where that was turned down. Hopefully at least an explanation was offered.For reference, I offered Slayton for Shenault in a non-ppr IDP Zealots league and was turned down cold.
Of course, Zealots players are getting worse at trading all the time, IMO.
Seems like people upthread here thing that's the case. That may be true, but not always. There was no explanation given for my offer.You'd have to think Slayton was a mid-second round pick to accept that deal. I can see where that was turned down. Hopefully at least an explanation was offered.
My new experience has been a lot of low ball offers as I reconstruct what was done. I mean, I don't know if you read my response to you in the bad trades thread, but I got offered some real doozies, and I'm willing to deal at costs to me just to get guys I want or more picks, etc. But talk about an arm and a leg to get anything done.
Yeah, I'm just going by general consensus and not individual evaluation.Seems like people upthread here thing that's the case. That may be true, but not always. There was no explanation given for my offer.
And then in a PPR league I had a guy offer me a late 2nd next year for Robert Woods. Dude, I'm not an idiot.
rockaction said:You'd have to think Slayton was a mid-second round pick to accept that deal. I can see where that was turned down. Hopefully at least an explanation was offered.
My new experience has been a lot of low ball offers as I reconstruct what was done. I mean, I don't know if you read my response to you in the bad trades thread, but I got offered some real doozies, and I'm willing to deal at costs to me just to get guys I want or more picks, etc. But talk about an arm and a leg to get anything done.
I would snap accept if someone offered me Slayton for Shenault. I think he is criminally undervalued right now. I believe in 2nd year WRs that ball out as rookies. I don't dislike Shenault but I think Chark is the clear number 1 there. I also think the presence of Barkley gives Slayton very high upside in terms of how the Giants are defended.Andy Dufresne said:Seems like people upthread here thing that's the case. That may be true, but not always. There was no explanation given for my offer.
And then in a PPR league I had a guy offer me a late 2nd next year for Robert Woods. Dude, I'm not an idiot.
Yes. Agreed.I would snap accept if someone offered me Slayton for Shenault. I think he is criminally undervalued right now. I believe in 2nd year WRs that ball out as rookies. I don't dislike Shenault but I think Chark is the clear number 1 there. I also think the presence of Barkley gives Slayton very high upside in terms of how the Giants are defended.
I would not take that unless I was getting back a first. And I'm probably the guy who would take the least for that here. I'm new.Future Draft Picks Question:
Was offered 2021 2nd, 3rd & 4th (all mid-rounds est.) for my 2021 1st (probably mid-round). Take it?
And: how/where does one find appropriate value of future round picks? Percentage of 2020 picks? DTC assigns some limited point values.
I not taking that deal. keep the 1st.robb said:Future Draft Picks Question:
Was offered 2021 2nd, 3rd & 4th (all mid-rounds est.) for my 2021 1st (probably mid-round). Take it?
And: how/where does one find appropriate value of future round picks? Percentage of 2020 picks? DTC assigns some limited point values.
Seems to me that he should have tried to get Sanders+ from that guy if he wanted to move on from Kamara so badly.Curious how people view this deal. In a vacuum it's pretty imbalanced, but context makes it closer I imagine. This guy has been trying to get rid of Kamara all off-season.
10 team 2QB 3WR 2RB 2TE 2Flex .5ppr
Team A got: Alvin Kamara - Now owns Barkley, Zeke, M. Sanders, DJ, and Kamara at RB (definitely a top contender)
Team B got: 1.07, 2.09, 2021 3rd, 4th, 2022 4th, Chase Edmonds, Damien Harris, Kahale Warring
Team B is basically the worst possible team you can imagine who is a new owner taking it over. His best player is probably either Josh Allen, Mike Williams, or Diontae Johnson. Literally has nothing else of value on that entire team.
Personally I don't think it's that bad considering how many dart throws this team needs and there is SOME value here, but the value is definitely with the person getting Kamara. But there is a potential Kamara contract problem and Brees retirement on the horizon that could nuke his future value.
This belongs on the worst trade offers thread. I don't believe in vetoing trades but damn if this wouldn't make me want to.Curious how people view this deal. In a vacuum it's pretty imbalanced, but context makes it closer I imagine. This guy has been trying to get rid of Kamara all off-season.
10 team 2QB 3WR 2RB 2TE 2Flex .5ppr
Team A got: Alvin Kamara - Now owns Barkley, Zeke, M. Sanders, DJ, and Kamara at RB (definitely a top contender)
Team B got: 1.07, 2.09, 2021 3rd, 4th, 2022 4th, Chase Edmonds, Damien Harris, Kahale Warring
Team B is basically the worst possible team you can imagine who is a new owner taking it over. His best player is probably either Josh Allen, Mike Williams, or Diontae Johnson. Literally has nothing else of value on that entire team.
Personally I don't think it's that bad considering how many dart throws this team needs and there is SOME value here, but the value is definitely with the person getting Kamara. But there is a potential Kamara contract problem and Brees retirement on the horizon that could nuke his future value.
Everyone is pretty stingy on trades in this league. Usually hard to get things done in the first place.This belongs on the worst trade offers thread. I don't believe in vetoing trades but damn if this wouldn't make me want to.
Team B couldn't wait until week 5 and then trade to a contender who needs a rb for a package that actually improves his team?
You know I'm new. I never do that deal. But I might if I hadn't been hanging around here for years and also learned on the fly. There are things I did months ago I'd never do. Doesn't change the logic behind saying he got a bum deal for Kamara.Everyone is pretty stingy on trades in this league. Usually hard to get things done in the first place.
A guy is only worth what the maximum anyone is willing to pay for him.Curious how people view this deal. In a vacuum it's pretty imbalanced, but context makes it closer I imagine. This guy has been trying to get rid of Kamara all off-season.
10 team 2QB 3WR 2RB 2TE 2Flex .5ppr
Team A got: Alvin Kamara - Now owns Barkley, Zeke, M. Sanders, DJ, and Kamara at RB (definitely a top contender)
Team B got: 1.07, 2.09, 2021 3rd, 4th, 2022 4th, Chase Edmonds, Damien Harris, Kahale Warring
Team B is basically the worst possible team you can imagine who is a new owner taking it over. His best player is probably either Josh Allen, Mike Williams, or Diontae Johnson. Literally has nothing else of value on that entire team.
Personally I don't think it's that bad considering how many dart throws this team needs and there is SOME value here, but the value is definitely with the person getting Kamara. But there is a potential Kamara contract problem and Brees retirement on the horizon that could nuke his future value.
I really want to call it horrible but IDK the 1.07 could really hit. I think this class is just nasty. But I would easily pay that for Kamara. If this guy has been shopping him all offseason I am surprised he couldn't do better, but the new owner syndrome isn't to be underestimated.Curious how people view this deal. In a vacuum it's pretty imbalanced, but context makes it closer I imagine. This guy has been trying to get rid of Kamara all off-season.
10 team 2QB 3WR 2RB 2TE 2Flex .5ppr
Team A got: Alvin Kamara - Now owns Barkley, Zeke, M. Sanders, DJ, and Kamara at RB (definitely a top contender)
Team B got: 1.07, 2.09, 2021 3rd, 4th, 2022 4th, Chase Edmonds, Damien Harris, Kahale Warring
Team B is basically the worst possible team you can imagine who is a new owner taking it over. His best player is probably either Josh Allen, Mike Williams, or Diontae Johnson. Literally has nothing else of value on that entire team.
Personally I don't think it's that bad considering how many dart throws this team needs and there is SOME value here, but the value is definitely with the person getting Kamara. But there is a potential Kamara contract problem and Brees retirement on the horizon that could nuke his future value.
Well, he should have gotten the 1.7 with Sanders.I really want to call it horrible but IDK the 1.07 could really hit. I think this class is just nasty. But I would easily pay that for Kamara. If this guy has been shopping him all offseason I am surprised he couldn't do better, but the new owner syndrome isn't to be underestimated.
That's great and all but you still don't trade a guy for pennies just to do it. That's how you build a losing team.Everyone is pretty stingy on trades in this league. Usually hard to get things done in the first place.
That is atrocious lolCurious how people view this deal. In a vacuum it's pretty imbalanced, but context makes it closer I imagine. This guy has been trying to get rid of Kamara all off-season.
10 team 2QB 3WR 2RB 2TE 2Flex .5ppr
Team A got: Alvin Kamara - Now owns Barkley, Zeke, M. Sanders, DJ, and Kamara at RB (definitely a top contender)
Team B got: 1.07, 2.09, 2021 3rd, 4th, 2022 4th, Chase Edmonds, Damien Harris, Kahale Warring
Team B is basically the worst possible team you can imagine who is a new owner taking it over. His best player is probably either Josh Allen, Mike Williams, or Diontae Johnson. Literally has nothing else of value on that entire team.
Personally I don't think it's that bad considering how many dart throws this team needs and there is SOME value here, but the value is definitely with the person getting Kamara. But there is a potential Kamara contract problem and Brees retirement on the horizon that could nuke his future value.
Ooff...Curious how people view this deal. In a vacuum it's pretty imbalanced, but context makes it closer I imagine. This guy has been trying to get rid of Kamara all off-season.
10 team 2QB 3WR 2RB 2TE 2Flex .5ppr
Team A got: Alvin Kamara - Now owns Barkley, Zeke, M. Sanders, DJ, and Kamara at RB (definitely a top contender)
Team B got: 1.07, 2.09, 2021 3rd, 4th, 2022 4th, Chase Edmonds, Damien Harris, Kahale Warring
Team B is basically the worst possible team you can imagine who is a new owner taking it over. His best player is probably either Josh Allen, Mike Williams, or Diontae Johnson. Literally has nothing else of value on that entire team.
Personally I don't think it's that bad considering how many dart throws this team needs and there is SOME value here, but the value is definitely with the person getting Kamara. But there is a potential Kamara contract problem and Brees retirement on the horizon that could nuke his future value.
I was in board until I saw no TE required.16 team .5 RB/1 WR/1.5 TE ppr, WR/TE started as recievers, no mandatory TE slot.
I gave: Aaron Jones, Jamaal Williams, Blake Jarwin.
I got: Mark Andrews, RGIII, 2021 1st.
I am getting the sell high vibe on Jones and got Barkley in the offseason. Got RGIII as a throw-in as I have L-Jax so some COVID short term insurance.
We can start 1-3 RB and 3-5 WR/TE. Still have Thomas, Hopkins, Diggs and Hilton as starters.
I just took over a team and was offered a late 1st, late 2nd and OJ Howard for Kamara, from the league champ. I don't really have a top TE and everyone in the league seems to think I should overpay for their backup TE's.Curious how people view this deal. In a vacuum it's pretty imbalanced, but context makes it closer I imagine. This guy has been trying to get rid of Kamara all off-season.
10 team 2QB 3WR 2RB 2TE 2Flex .5ppr
Team A got: Alvin Kamara - Now owns Barkley, Zeke, M. Sanders, DJ, and Kamara at RB (definitely a top contender)
Team B got: 1.07, 2.09, 2021 3rd, 4th, 2022 4th, Chase Edmonds, Damien Harris, Kahale Warring
Team B is basically the worst possible team you can imagine who is a new owner taking it over. His best player is probably either Josh Allen, Mike Williams, or Diontae Johnson. Literally has nothing else of value on that entire team.
Personally I don't think it's that bad considering how many dart throws this team needs and there is SOME value here, but the value is definitely with the person getting Kamara. But there is a potential Kamara contract problem and Brees retirement on the horizon that could nuke his future value.
Gimme the Kamara side, obviously in context that it also is the win-now team.Curious how people view this deal. In a vacuum it's pretty imbalanced, but context makes it closer I imagine. This guy has been trying to get rid of Kamara all off-season.
10 team 2QB 3WR 2RB 2TE 2Flex .5ppr
Team A got: Alvin Kamara - Now owns Barkley, Zeke, M. Sanders, DJ, and Kamara at RB (definitely a top contender)
Team B got: 1.07, 2.09, 2021 3rd, 4th, 2022 4th, Chase Edmonds, Damien Harris, Kahale Warring
Team B is basically the worst possible team you can imagine who is a new owner taking it over. His best player is probably either Josh Allen, Mike Williams, or Diontae Johnson. Literally has nothing else of value on that entire team.
Personally I don't think it's that bad considering how many dart throws this team needs and there is SOME value here, but the value is definitely with the person getting Kamara. But there is a potential Kamara contract problem and Brees retirement on the horizon that could nuke his future value.
I would decline such an offer. Perhaps not very politely. HehI just took over a team and was offered a late 1st, late 2nd and OJ Howard for Kamara, from the league champ. I don't really have a top TE and everyone in the league seems to think I should overpay for their backup TE's.
Yeah, I don’t love the part about that owner shopping him all offseason, as though it justifies selling low.I really want to call it horrible but IDK the 1.07 could really hit. I think this class is just nasty. But I would easily pay that for Kamara. If this guy has been shopping him all offseason I am surprised he couldn't do better, but the new owner syndrome isn't to be underestimated.
In TE premium SF, gimme picks in a big way12 Team PPR Superflex TE Premium
My team is a contender that needed a Flex upgrade.
Gave: 2021 2nd , 2022 1st, 2022 1st, 2022 2nd
Got: Austin Ekeler
Flex is now Ekeler as opposed to: James White, Marvin Jones, Jamison Crowder
Makes me wish that I owned Ekeler.12 Team PPR Superflex TE Premium
My team is a contender that needed a Flex upgrade.
Gave: 2021 2nd , 2022 1st, 2022 1st, 2022 2nd
Got: Austin Ekeler
Flex is now Ekeler as opposed to: James White, Marvin Jones, Jamison Crowder
Give me the guy with Mahomes. Lock has got a lot to prove.Tyreek Hill, AJ Dillon, ‘21 2nd
For
Courtland Sutton, Adam Thielen, ‘21 1st
Seems like a lot to give... I may have to put him on my block12 Team PPR Superflex TE Premium
My team is a contender that needed a Flex upgrade.
Gave: 2021 2nd , 2022 1st, 2022 1st, 2022 2nd
Got: Austin Ekeler
Flex is now Ekeler as opposed to: James White, Marvin Jones, Jamison Crowder
So if I’m reading this right your first rounders are likely to be late since you’re a competitive team? But then again, 2022 is a-ways off. Stuff can happen. You could have a bad 2021. They could be high picks.12 Team PPR Superflex TE Premium
My team is a contender that needed a Flex upgrade.
Gave: 2021 2nd , 2022 1st, 2022 1st, 2022 2nd
Got: Austin Ekeler
Flex is now Ekeler as opposed to: James White, Marvin Jones, Jamison Crowder
I really like Eck. I’m on the island. i still think you paid too much for him.No Ekeler love I see. So be it. Me and his Mom will just chill on this island .
Appreciate the replies!
Tyreek side. But it’s close. Sutton is a baller.Tyreek Hill, AJ Dillon, ‘21 2nd
For
Courtland Sutton, Adam Thielen, ‘21 1st
You are reading it right, I’m likely a top 4-ish team all things being equal. And I see the points being made that this is an overpay and I agree to a point but honestly, every league is so different, and this league in particular has a crazy high view of RB’s.So if I’m reading this right your first rounders are likely to be late since you’re a competitive team? But then again, 2022 is a-ways off. Stuff can happen. You could have a bad 2021. They could be high picks.
That’s a lot to pay. Man. I like Eck this year, but you’re putting a lot of eggs into one basket.
if it was a 2022 1st & a 2021 2nd I could see it. The extra 1st rounder isn’t where I think you’re overpaying.
Obviously, Eck has to perform for this to be judged a good deal for you. Considering how much you paid, he’d probably have to be a top 12 RB for this to be worth it.
And RB is a dangerous position. I’m always weary about spending a ton on one. but that all said, that’s me. It’s not terrible.
It should help your team in the short term.
long-term could be challenging.
Sometimes you’ve got to over pay a little to get your guy. Like you said, you’re happy with the deal and that is what’s important. And I agree that Ekeler in your lineup each week looks a lot better than those other guys. Good luck!You are reading it right, I’m likely a top 4-ish team all things being equal. And I see the points being made that this is an overpay and I agree to a point but honestly, every league is so different, and this league in particular has a crazy high view of RB’s.
As for Ekeler needing to be top twelve to justify the trade, I think he can achieve that but I am not counting on it. Rolling out Zeke, Dalvin and Ekeler is much more appealing to me than that spot being held by James White, Marvin Jones or Jamison Crowder.
Part of the appeal for me was that he would accept picks only. No other starting RB was available for picks. Did I overpay? Yes. The question is by how much and was it worth it and I just can’t answer that yet.
I’m still happy with the deal and that’s what matters most.
Cheers dude!
Score. JJAW looked lost out there. John Brown seems consistently underrated. This looks like an (at least) 1 tier upgrade.Minor one. PPR IDP Zealots
Gave: JJAW
Got: John Brown
Wow. This is a sell at the ceiling for JJAW, good oneAndy Dufresne said:Minor one. PPR IDP Zealots
Gave: JJAW
Got: John Brown