Oregon Militia Takeover - Ammon Bundy arrested (1 Viewer)

TobiasFunke said:

jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

As soon as I saw the news on this incident I knew the FFA thread about it would be tremendous. You all have not disappointed.

A couple corrections for all the people whining about how the government burned some cows and didn't have to pay anyone: that "story" was just quotes from two ranchers. Those ranchers were free to pursue compensation for their losses under both the 5th Amendment and the Federal Tort Claims Act, which nullifies sovereign immunity in cases of federal commission of a tort. These ranchers apparently chose not to do so. Why? I dunno. For some crazy reason the "Tri State Livestock News" didn't seem interested in questioning the statements of some ranchers.

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They would lose a fortune even if they won. Nobody with any sense would pursue this case regardless of the merits.

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Obviously I'm not the genius you are. Can you explain how they would lose a fortune even if they won, particularly under the FTCA where attorney's fees are set by statute as a percentage of the recovery amount?

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jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

As soon as I saw the news on this incident I knew the FFA thread about it would be tremendous. You all have not disappointed.

A couple corrections for all the people whining about how the government burned some cows and didn't have to pay anyone: that "story" was just quotes from two ranchers. Those ranchers were free to pursue compensation for their losses under both the 5th Amendment and the Federal Tort Claims Act, which nullifies sovereign immunity in cases of federal commission of a tort. These ranchers apparently chose not to do so. Why? I dunno. For some crazy reason the "Tri State Livestock News" didn't seem interested in questioning the statements of some ranchers.

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They would lose a fortune even if they won. Nobody with any sense would pursue this case regardless of the merits.

Click to expand...

Obviously I'm not the genius you are. Can you explain how they would lose a fortune even if they won, particularly under the FTCA where attorney's fees are set by statute as a percentage of the recovery amount?

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They feel they are being unfairly targeted by the government. Why would they stick their neck further out for something so small? The time, energy, and potential future consequences wouldn't be worth it.

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TobiasFunke said:

jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

As soon as I saw the news on this incident I knew the FFA thread about it would be tremendous. You all have not disappointed.

A couple corrections for all the people whining about how the government burned some cows and didn't have to pay anyone: that "story" was just quotes from two ranchers. Those ranchers were free to pursue compensation for their losses under both the 5th Amendment and the Federal Tort Claims Act, which nullifies sovereign immunity in cases of federal commission of a tort. These ranchers apparently chose not to do so. Why? I dunno. For some crazy reason the "Tri State Livestock News" didn't seem interested in questioning the statements of some ranchers.

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They would lose a fortune even if they won. Nobody with any sense would pursue this case regardless of the merits.

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Obviously I'm not the genius you are. Can you explain how they would lose a fortune even if they won, particularly under the FTCA where attorney's fees are set by statute as a percentage of the recovery amount?

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They feel they are being unfairly targeted by the government. Why would they stick their neck further out for something so small? The time, energy, and potential future consequences wouldn't be worth it.

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That's great. Now can you explain how "they would lose a fortune even if they won"?

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Skoo said:

Pretty sad that many Conservatives seem to be supporting these guys.

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Skoo said:

Pretty sad that many Conservatives seem to be supporting these guys.

Taking over a federal building armed with guns and threatening violence if they are removed.

Doesn't get much more Anti-American than that.

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jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

As soon as I saw the news on this incident I knew the FFA thread about it would be tremendous. You all have not disappointed.

A couple corrections for all the people whining about how the government burned some cows and didn't have to pay anyone: that "story" was just quotes from two ranchers. Those ranchers were free to pursue compensation for their losses under both the 5th Amendment and the Federal Tort Claims Act, which nullifies sovereign immunity in cases of federal commission of a tort. These ranchers apparently chose not to do so. Why? I dunno. For some crazy reason the "Tri State Livestock News" didn't seem interested in questioning the statements of some ranchers.

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They would lose a fortune even if they won. Nobody with any sense would pursue this case regardless of the merits.

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Obviously I'm not the genius you are. Can you explain how they would lose a fortune even if they won, particularly under the FTCA where attorney's fees are set by statute as a percentage of the recovery amount?

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They feel they are being unfairly targeted by the government. Why would they stick their neck further out for something so small? The time, energy, and potential future consequences wouldn't be worth it.

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That's great. Now can you explain how "they would lose a fortune even if they won"?

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I just did.

It's not worth their time, energy, or potential retaliation.

There is no guarantee they would be compensated or be able to find an attorney willing to take the case with so little potential reward. It's not worth the investment.

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NCCommish said:

So are the heavily armed terrorists who made goodbye videos, you know like suicide bombers do, and who have threatened to kill federal agents still alive? Apparently. Must be white folks.

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freakinback said:

NCCommish said:

So are the heavily armed terrorists who made goodbye videos, you know like suicide bombers do, and who have threatened to kill federal agents still alive? Apparently. Must be white folks.

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So the government should move in and kill them? Also, not sure what race really has to do with this? Seems like the government has all the time in the world to get this right. I can't imagine any of these guys not serving a lot of time in the pokey.

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freakinback said:

NCCommish said:

So are the heavily armed terrorists who made goodbye videos, you know like suicide bombers do, and who have threatened to kill federal agents still alive? Apparently. Must be white folks.

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So the government should move in and kill them? Also, not sure what race really has to do with this? Seems like the government has all the time in the world to get this right. I can't imagine any of these guys not serving a lot of time in the pokey.

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Ditkaless Wonders said:

We have become a people capable of reading any event along partisan political divides. It is amazing to me how we can see our agendas in any scenario.

I have no opinion on the underlying case(s) against the Hammonds. I have found the Hammonds response, thus far, to this matter, to be responsible. I will be interested to see whether they follow through and do in fact surrender themselves to authorities to serve out the remainder of their jail term.

The militia folks, well they are looking, in my opinion, to redress grievances real or imagined. That is dangerous particularly when they have lost the discernment to ascertain the difference.

I find the daughter hot.

I like the looks of the building being occupied.

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Joe Summer said:

freakinback said:

NCCommish said:

So are the heavily armed terrorists who made goodbye videos, you know like suicide bombers do, and who have threatened to kill federal agents still alive? Apparently. Must be white folks.

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So the government should move in and kill them? Also, not sure what race really has to do with this? Seems like the government has all the time in the world to get this right. I can't imagine any of these guys not serving a lot of time in the pokey.

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What is the "right" answer here? Walk up and issue trespassing citations to everyone? How well do you think that will work?

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NCCommish said:

freakinback said:

NCCommish said:

So are the heavily armed terrorists who made goodbye videos, you know like suicide bombers do, and who have threatened to kill federal agents still alive? Apparently. Must be white folks.

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So the government should move in and kill them? Also, not sure what race really has to do with this? Seems like the government has all the time in the world to get this right. I can't imagine any of these guys not serving a lot of time in the pokey.

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How many people are in jail from the Bundy ranch standoff? I'm not aware of any.

And I not advocating another Waco. Just pointing out the difference in response by the media and the public.

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freakinback said:

NCCommish said:

So are the heavily armed terrorists who made goodbye videos, you know like suicide bombers do, and who have threatened to kill federal agents still alive? Apparently. Must be white folks.

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So the government should move in and kill them? Also, not sure what race really has to do with this? Seems like the government has all the time in the world to get this right. I can't imagine any of these guys not serving a lot of time in the pokey.

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Fennis said:

Ditkaless Wonders said:

We have become a people capable of reading any event along partisan political divides. It is amazing to me how we can see our agendas in any scenario.

I have no opinion on the underlying case(s) against the Hammonds. I have found the Hammonds response, thus far, to this matter, to be responsible. I will be interested to see whether they follow through and do in fact surrender themselves to authorities to serve out the remainder of their jail term.

The militia folks, well they are looking, in my opinion, to redress grievances real or imagined. That is dangerous particularly when they have lost the discernment to ascertain the difference.

I find the daughter hot.

I like the looks of the building being occupied.

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figures someone on your side would say that

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TobiasFunke said:

jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

As soon as I saw the news on this incident I knew the FFA thread about it would be tremendous. You all have not disappointed.

A couple corrections for all the people whining about how the government burned some cows and didn't have to pay anyone: that "story" was just quotes from two ranchers. Those ranchers were free to pursue compensation for their losses under both the 5th Amendment and the Federal Tort Claims Act, which nullifies sovereign immunity in cases of federal commission of a tort. These ranchers apparently chose not to do so. Why? I dunno. For some crazy reason the "Tri State Livestock News" didn't seem interested in questioning the statements of some ranchers.

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They would lose a fortune even if they won. Nobody with any sense would pursue this case regardless of the merits.

Click to expand...

Obviously I'm not the genius you are. Can you explain how they would lose a fortune even if they won, particularly under the FTCA where attorney's fees are set by statute as a percentage of the recovery amount?

Click to expand...

They feel they are being unfairly targeted by the government. Why would they stick their neck further out for something so small? The time, energy, and potential future consequences wouldn't be worth it.

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That's great. Now can you explain how "they would lose a fortune even if they won"?

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I just did.It's not worth their time, energy, or potential retaliation.

There is no guarantee they would be compensated or be able to find an attorney willing to take the case with so little potential reward. It's not worth the investment.

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No, you didn't. In your first post you didn't say they wouldn't be able to find an attorney, or that they might lose, or that it might be more time and effort than it was worth. You said "they would lose a fortune [ie actual money] even if they won." And you laughed at me for missing such an obvious point.

So can you break down for me how they would lose a fortune even if they won? Those were your words. How much would this lost "fortune" after obtaining a favorable decision come to? I grant that I don't know as much about the value of cattle and the hidden costs of litigating on contingency as you do, so I must be missing something.

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whoknew said:

Joe Summer said:

freakinback said:

NCCommish said:

So are the heavily armed terrorists who made goodbye videos, you know like suicide bombers do, and who have threatened to kill federal agents still alive? Apparently. Must be white folks.

Click to expand...

So the government should move in and kill them? Also, not sure what race really has to do with this? Seems like the government has all the time in the world to get this right. I can't imagine any of these guys not serving a lot of time in the pokey.

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What is the "right" answer here? Walk up and issue trespassing citations to everyone? How well do you think that will work?

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The right answer is to negotiate and try to do everything they can to resolve this peacefully. I assume that is what the gov't is doing now.

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jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

As soon as I saw the news on this incident I knew the FFA thread about it would be tremendous. You all have not disappointed.

A couple corrections for all the people whining about how the government burned some cows and didn't have to pay anyone: that "story" was just quotes from two ranchers. Those ranchers were free to pursue compensation for their losses under both the 5th Amendment and the Federal Tort Claims Act, which nullifies sovereign immunity in cases of federal commission of a tort. These ranchers apparently chose not to do so. Why? I dunno. For some crazy reason the "Tri State Livestock News" didn't seem interested in questioning the statements of some ranchers.

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They would lose a fortune even if they won. Nobody with any sense would pursue this case regardless of the merits.

Click to expand...

Obviously I'm not the genius you are. Can you explain how they would lose a fortune even if they won, particularly under the FTCA where attorney's fees are set by statute as a percentage of the recovery amount?

Click to expand...

They feel they are being unfairly targeted by the government. Why would they stick their neck further out for something so small? The time, energy, and potential future consequences wouldn't be worth it.

Click to expand...

That's great. Now can you explain how "they would lose a fortune even if they won"?

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I just did.It's not worth their time, energy, or potential retaliation.

There is no guarantee they would be compensated or be able to find an attorney willing to take the case with so little potential reward. It's not worth the investment.

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No, you didn't. In your first post you didn't say they wouldn't be able to find an attorney, or that they might lose, or that it might be more time and effort than it was worth. You said "they would lose a fortune [ie actual money] even if they won." And you laughed at me for missing such an obvious point.

So can you break down for me how they would lose a fortune even if they won? Those were your words. How much would this lost "fortune" after obtaining a favorable decision come to? I grant that I don't know as much about the value of cattle and the hidden costs of litigating on contingency as you do, so I must be missing something.

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How are you not understanding this? The potential reward is too small for someone to invest the time and money required to fight a federal lawsuit on this.

Any attorney they hired would be compensated based on what was awarded. Small award = small compensation. That's assuming they win. There's always a risk they don't.

Why would someone do that? They are self-employed. Unless they have an abundance of extra time and money to throw around I don't see why they would choose to go through all of this.

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NCCommish said:

So are the heavily armed terrorists who made goodbye videos, you know like suicide bombers do, and who have threatened to kill federal agents still alive? Apparently. Must be white folks.

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NCCommish said:

Sounds good. Maybe we'll start doing that instead of killing the next black child with a toy gun. Or the next unarmed black man.

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JerseyToughGuys said:

freakinback said:

NCCommish said:

So are the heavily armed terrorists who made goodbye videos, you know like suicide bombers do, and who have threatened to kill federal agents still alive? Apparently. Must be white folks.

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So the government should move in and kill them? Also, not sure what race really has to do with this? Seems like the government has all the time in the world to get this right. I can't imagine any of these guys not serving a lot of time in the pokey.

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imagine a group of black militants take over a federal building ...

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Ditkaless Wonders said:

Fennis said:

Ditkaless Wonders said:

We have become a people capable of reading any event along partisan political divides. It is amazing to me how we can see our agendas in any scenario.

I have no opinion on the underlying case(s) against the Hammonds. I have found the Hammonds response, thus far, to this matter, to be responsible. I will be interested to see whether they follow through and do in fact surrender themselves to authorities to serve out the remainder of their jail term.

The militia folks, well they are looking, in my opinion, to redress grievances real or imagined. That is dangerous particularly when they have lost the discernment to ascertain the difference.

I find the daughter hot.

I like the looks of the building being occupied.

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figures someone on your side would say that

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I will need clarification. What side am I on, and say which of the 5 observations I made? I mean, if my side is aging frustrated heteros, obviously I would observe that the young lady is attractive. If my side is admirers of stone work, well then I might enjoy the rustic work in the building.

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timschochet said:

Skoo said:

Pretty sad that many Conservatives seem to be supporting these guys.

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Many?I argue with conservatives in this forum all the time. Lately it seems like that's all I do around here. I can't recall a single conservative in this thread who has defended this seizure.

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JerseyToughGuys said:

jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

As soon as I saw the news on this incident I knew the FFA thread about it would be tremendous. You all have not disappointed.

A couple corrections for all the people whining about how the government burned some cows and didn't have to pay anyone: that "story" was just quotes from two ranchers. Those ranchers were free to pursue compensation for their losses under both the 5th Amendment and the Federal Tort Claims Act, which nullifies sovereign immunity in cases of federal commission of a tort. These ranchers apparently chose not to do so. Why? I dunno. For some crazy reason the "Tri State Livestock News" didn't seem interested in questioning the statements of some ranchers.

Click to expand...

They would lose a fortune even if they won. Nobody with any sense would pursue this case regardless of the merits.

Click to expand...

Obviously I'm not the genius you are. Can you explain how they would lose a fortune even if they won, particularly under the FTCA where attorney's fees are set by statute as a percentage of the recovery amount?

Click to expand...

They feel they are being unfairly targeted by the government. Why would they stick their neck further out for something so small? The time, energy, and potential future consequences wouldn't be worth it.

Click to expand...

That's great. Now can you explain how "they would lose a fortune even if they won"?

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I just did.It's not worth their time, energy, or potential retaliation.

There is no guarantee they would be compensated or be able to find an attorney willing to take the case with so little potential reward. It's not worth the investment.

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No, you didn't. In your first post you didn't say they wouldn't be able to find an attorney, or that they might lose, or that it might be more time and effort than it was worth. You said "they would lose a fortune [ie actual money] even if they won." And you laughed at me for missing such an obvious point.

So can you break down for me how they would lose a fortune even if they won? Those were your words. How much would this lost "fortune" after obtaining a favorable decision come to? I grant that I don't know as much about the value of cattle and the hidden costs of litigating on contingency as you do, so I must be missing something.

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How are you not understanding this? The potential reward is too small for someone to invest the time and money required to fight a federal lawsuit on this.Any attorney they hired would be compensated based on what was awarded. Small award = small compensation. That's assuming they win. There's always a risk they don't.

Why would someone do that? They are self-employed. Unless they have an abundance of extra time and money to throw around I don't see why they would choose to go through all of this.

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Publicity.

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JerseyToughGuys said:

freakinback said:

NCCommish said:

So are the heavily armed terrorists who made goodbye videos, you know like suicide bombers do, and who have threatened to kill federal agents still alive? Apparently. Must be white folks.

Click to expand...

So the government should move in and kill them? Also, not sure what race really has to do with this? Seems like the government has all the time in the world to get this right. I can't imagine any of these guys not serving a lot of time in the pokey.

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imagine a group of black militants take over a federal building ...

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Skoo said:

timschochet said:

Skoo said:

Pretty sad that many Conservatives seem to be supporting these guys.

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Many?I argue with conservatives in this forum all the time. Lately it seems like that's all I do around here. I can't recall a single conservative in this thread who has defended this seizure.

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Check out the comments on FoxNews.com.....

Warning: They will make you sick to your stomach

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NCCommish said:

whoknew said:

Joe Summer said:

freakinback said:

NCCommish said:

So are the heavily armed terrorists who made goodbye videos, you know like suicide bombers do, and who have threatened to kill federal agents still alive? Apparently. Must be white folks.

Click to expand...

So the government should move in and kill them? Also, not sure what race really has to do with this? Seems like the government has all the time in the world to get this right. I can't imagine any of these guys not serving a lot of time in the pokey.

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What is the "right" answer here? Walk up and issue trespassing citations to everyone? How well do you think that will work?

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The right answer is to negotiate and try to do everything they can to resolve this peacefully. I assume that is what the gov't is doing now.

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Sounds good. Maybe we'll start doing that instead of killing the next black child with a toy gun. Or the next unarmed black man.

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jonessed said:

Ditkaless Wonders said:

Fennis said:

Ditkaless Wonders said:

We have become a people capable of reading any event along partisan political divides. It is amazing to me how we can see our agendas in any scenario.

I have no opinion on the underlying case(s) against the Hammonds. I have found the Hammonds response, thus far, to this matter, to be responsible. I will be interested to see whether they follow through and do in fact surrender themselves to authorities to serve out the remainder of their jail term.

The militia folks, well they are looking, in my opinion, to redress grievances real or imagined. That is dangerous particularly when they have lost the discernment to ascertain the difference.

I find the daughter hot.

I like the looks of the building being occupied.

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figures someone on your side would say that

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I will need clarification. What side am I on, and say which of the 5 observations I made? I mean, if my side is aging frustrated heteros, obviously I would observe that the young lady is attractive. If my side is admirers of stone work, well then I might enjoy the rustic work in the building.

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Hey man. Get with the program. If you don't pick a side, you can't be categorized. If you can't be categorized people from the other side can't make sweeping generalizations about you. If people can't make sweeping generalizations about people they disagree with the entire internet social structure could crumble. Do you want to be responsible for that?Pick a damn side and stick to it.

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jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

As soon as I saw the news on this incident I knew the FFA thread about it would be tremendous. You all have not disappointed.

A couple corrections for all the people whining about how the government burned some cows and didn't have to pay anyone: that "story" was just quotes from two ranchers. Those ranchers were free to pursue compensation for their losses under both the 5th Amendment and the Federal Tort Claims Act, which nullifies sovereign immunity in cases of federal commission of a tort. These ranchers apparently chose not to do so. Why? I dunno. For some crazy reason the "Tri State Livestock News" didn't seem interested in questioning the statements of some ranchers.

Click to expand...

They would lose a fortune even if they won. Nobody with any sense would pursue this case regardless of the merits.

Click to expand...

Obviously I'm not the genius you are. Can you explain how they would lose a fortune even if they won, particularly under the FTCA where attorney's fees are set by statute as a percentage of the recovery amount?

Click to expand...

They feel they are being unfairly targeted by the government. Why would they stick their neck further out for something so small? The time, energy, and potential future consequences wouldn't be worth it.

Click to expand...

That's great. Now can you explain how "they would lose a fortune even if they won"?

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I just did.It's not worth their time, energy, or potential retaliation.

There is no guarantee they would be compensated or be able to find an attorney willing to take the case with so little potential reward. It's not worth the investment.

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No, you didn't. In your first post you didn't say they wouldn't be able to find an attorney, or that they might lose, or that it might be more time and effort than it was worth. You said "they would lose a fortune [ie actual money] even if they won." And you laughed at me for missing such an obvious point.

So can you break down for me how they would lose a fortune even if they won? Those were your words. How much would this lost "fortune" after obtaining a favorable decision come to? I grant that I don't know as much about the value of cattle and the hidden costs of litigating on contingency as you do, so I must be missing something.

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How are you not understanding this? The potential reward is too small for someone to invest the time and money required to fight a federal lawsuit on this.

Any attorney they hired would be compensated based on what was awarded. Small award = small compensation. That's assuming they win. There's always a risk they don't.

Why would someone do that? They are self-employed. Unless they have an abundance of extra time and money to throw around I don't see why they would choose to go through all of this.

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jonessed said:

JerseyToughGuys said:

jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

jonessed said:

TobiasFunke said:

As soon as I saw the news on this incident I knew the FFA thread about it would be tremendous. You all have not disappointed.

A couple corrections for all the people whining about how the government burned some cows and didn't have to pay anyone: that "story" was just quotes from two ranchers. Those ranchers were free to pursue compensation for their losses under both the 5th Amendment and the Federal Tort Claims Act, which nullifies sovereign immunity in cases of federal commission of a tort. These ranchers apparently chose not to do so. Why? I dunno. For some crazy reason the "Tri State Livestock News" didn't seem interested in questioning the statements of some ranchers.

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They would lose a fortune even if they won. Nobody with any sense would pursue this case regardless of the merits.

Click to expand...

Obviously I'm not the genius you are. Can you explain how they would lose a fortune even if they won, particularly under the FTCA where attorney's fees are set by statute as a percentage of the recovery amount?

Click to expand...

They feel they are being unfairly targeted by the government. Why would they stick their neck further out for something so small? The time, energy, and potential future consequences wouldn't be worth it.

Click to expand...

That's great. Now can you explain how "they would lose a fortune even if they won"?

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I just did.It's not worth their time, energy, or potential retaliation.

There is no guarantee they would be compensated or be able to find an attorney willing to take the case with so little potential reward. It's not worth the investment.

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No, you didn't. In your first post you didn't say they wouldn't be able to find an attorney, or that they might lose, or that it might be more time and effort than it was worth. You said "they would lose a fortune [ie actual money] even if they won." And you laughed at me for missing such an obvious point.

So can you break down for me how they would lose a fortune even if they won? Those were your words. How much would this lost "fortune" after obtaining a favorable decision come to? I grant that I don't know as much about the value of cattle and the hidden costs of litigating on contingency as you do, so I must be missing something.

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How are you not understanding this? The potential reward is too small for someone to invest the time and money required to fight a federal lawsuit on this.Any attorney they hired would be compensated based on what was awarded. Small award = small compensation. That's assuming they win. There's always a risk they don't.

Why would someone do that? They are self-employed. Unless they have an abundance of extra time and money to throw around I don't see why they would choose to go through all of this.

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Publicity.

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For that, they are better off just protesting like they are now.

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Ditkaless Wonders said:

NCCommish said:

whoknew said:

Joe Summer said:

freakinback said:

NCCommish said:

So are the heavily armed terrorists who made goodbye videos, you know like suicide bombers do, and who have threatened to kill federal agents still alive? Apparently. Must be white folks.

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So the government should move in and kill them? Also, not sure what race really has to do with this? Seems like the government has all the time in the world to get this right. I can't imagine any of these guys not serving a lot of time in the pokey.

Click to expand...

What is the "right" answer here? Walk up and issue trespassing citations to everyone? How well do you think that will work?

Click to expand...

The right answer is to negotiate and try to do everything they can to resolve this peacefully. I assume that is what the gov't is doing now.

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Sounds good. Maybe we'll start doing that instead of killing the next black child with a toy gun. Or the next unarmed black man.

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I believe you have conflated, in your mind, unusual events with the normal course of affairs. I presume you have allowed this to happen because your sense of justice was so offended by those incidents that it is difficult to hold matters in perspective. That, to me, indicates you are a man of conscience. From other postings of yours I have read, and I am a fan, I also know you to be a man of some reason. Myself, I do not always maintain a balance between my reasons and my emotions.

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NCCommish said:

whoknew said:

Joe Summer said:

freakinback said:

NCCommish said:

So are the heavily armed terrorists who made goodbye videos, you know like suicide bombers do, and who have threatened to kill federal agents still alive? Apparently. Must be white folks.

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So the government should move in and kill them? Also, not sure what race really has to do with this? Seems like the government has all the time in the world to get this right. I can't imagine any of these guys not serving a lot of time in the pokey.

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What is the "right" answer here? Walk up and issue trespassing citations to everyone? How well do you think that will work?

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The right answer is to negotiate and try to do everything they can to resolve this peacefully. I assume that is what the gov't is doing now.

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Sounds good. Maybe we'll start doing that instead of killing the next black child with a toy gun. Or the next unarmed black man.

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freakinback said:

NCCommish said:

whoknew said:

Joe Summer said:

freakinback said:

NCCommish said:

So are the heavily armed terrorists who made goodbye videos, you know like suicide bombers do, and who have threatened to kill federal agents still alive? Apparently. Must be white folks.

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So the government should move in and kill them? Also, not sure what race really has to do with this? Seems like the government has all the time in the world to get this right. I can't imagine any of these guys not serving a lot of time in the pokey.

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What is the "right" answer here? Walk up and issue trespassing citations to everyone? How well do you think that will work?

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The right answer is to negotiate and try to do everything they can to resolve this peacefully. I assume that is what the gov't is doing now.

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Sounds good. Maybe we'll start doing that instead of killing the next black child with a toy gun. Or the next unarmed black man.

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One would hope with more then a couple of seconds to think and assessment of the situation is made, a peaceful solution would occur.

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SHIZNITTTT said:

How long does the U.S. government negotiate? It is time for another Ruby Ridge or Waco massacre. Kill whitey! !!

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NCCommish said:

Ditkaless Wonders said:

NCCommish said:

whoknew said:

Joe Summer said:

freakinback said:

NCCommish said:

So are the heavily armed terrorists who made goodbye videos, you know like suicide bombers do, and who have threatened to kill federal agents still alive? Apparently. Must be white folks.

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So the government should move in and kill them? Also, not sure what race really has to do with this? Seems like the government has all the time in the world to get this right. I can't imagine any of these guys not serving a lot of time in the pokey.

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What is the "right" answer here? Walk up and issue trespassing citations to everyone? How well do you think that will work?

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The right answer is to negotiate and try to do everything they can to resolve this peacefully. I assume that is what the gov't is doing now.

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Sounds good. Maybe we'll start doing that instead of killing the next black child with a toy gun. Or the next unarmed black man.

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I believe you have conflated, in your mind, unusual events with the normal course of affairs. I presume you have allowed this to happen because your sense of justice was so offended by those incidents that it is difficult to hold matters in perspective. That, to me, indicates you are a man of conscience. From other postings of yours I have read, and I am a fan, I also know you to be a man of some reason. Myself, I do not always maintain a balance between my reasons and my emotions.

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I'm pretty sure I got taken to task here. I guess I'm tired of seeing these right wing whackjobs treated with kid gloves while we gun down children and unarmed adults with no repercussions. Seems like the disconnect should be forcefully pointed out until the problem gets dealt with.

By the way huge fan.

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Rove! said:

PIK95 said:

chauncey said:

PIK95 said:

This is different from terrorists how?

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You took the short bus didn't you?

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If you take over a government building with machine guns you are a terrorist in this day in age. These guys are white. That's obviously slowing down the law for some reason.

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Were the protesters in Ferguson and Baltimore "terrorists?"

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SaintsInDome2006 said:

I'm a little surprised some liberals or progressives don't find the reconviction issue concerning.

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Ditkaless Wonders said:

NCCommish said:

Ditkaless Wonders said:

NCCommish said:

whoknew said:

Joe Summer said:

freakinback said:

NCCommish said:

So are the heavily armed terrorists who made goodbye videos, you know like suicide bombers do, and who have threatened to kill federal agents still alive? Apparently. Must be white folks.

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So the government should move in and kill them? Also, not sure what race really has to do with this? Seems like the government has all the time in the world to get this right. I can't imagine any of these guys not serving a lot of time in the pokey.

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What is the "right" answer here? Walk up and issue trespassing citations to everyone? How well do you think that will work?

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The right answer is to negotiate and try to do everything they can to resolve this peacefully. I assume that is what the gov't is doing now.

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Sounds good. Maybe we'll start doing that instead of killing the next black child with a toy gun. Or the next unarmed black man.

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I believe you have conflated, in your mind, unusual events with the normal course of affairs. I presume you have allowed this to happen because your sense of justice was so offended by those incidents that it is difficult to hold matters in perspective. That, to me, indicates you are a man of conscience. From other postings of yours I have read, and I am a fan, I also know you to be a man of some reason. Myself, I do not always maintain a balance between my reasons and my emotions.

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I'm pretty sure I got taken to task here. I guess I'm tired of seeing these right wing whackjobs treated with kid gloves while we gun down children and unarmed adults with no repercussions. Seems like the disconnect should be forcefully pointed out until the problem gets dealt with.By the way huge fan.

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If I were in charge of the enforcement/containment action against the occupiers of the building I would opt, I believe, for simple containment and exhaustion of those folks with bemused derision being my stance about them with the press. I would daily issue loud, unmistakable orders to lay down their weapons, to come out, and to cease their illegal trespass. I would do this with an eye to staking charges based on each day the occupation endured. When they do finally come out, and give up, as would be more or less inevitable if we don't make their cause a cause celebre or if we don't make them martyrs, I would fall on them like a duck falls on a June bug. What I would strive to not do is to allow this sidelight in world events to paralyze decision-making on any other matter. They are insignificant, unless we make them significant. The interesting question to me is in eventual charging of these folks whether they are charged with felonies which would prevent future gun ownership (That would be like cutting off their penises). Such a strategy would guarantee lengthy litigation and would, potentially, give them the forum they so desperately seek.

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NCCommish said:

Ditkaless Wonders said:

NCCommish said:

Ditkaless Wonders said:

NCCommish said:

whoknew said:

Joe Summer said:

freakinback said:

NCCommish said:

So are the heavily armed terrorists who made goodbye videos, you know like suicide bombers do, and who have threatened to kill federal agents still alive? Apparently. Must be white folks.

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So the government should move in and kill them? Also, not sure what race really has to do with this? Seems like the government has all the time in the world to get this right. I can't imagine any of these guys not serving a lot of time in the pokey.

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What is the "right" answer here? Walk up and issue trespassing citations to everyone? How well do you think that will work?

Click to expand...

The right answer is to negotiate and try to do everything they can to resolve this peacefully. I assume that is what the gov't is doing now.

Click to expand...

Sounds good. Maybe we'll start doing that instead of killing the next black child with a toy gun. Or the next unarmed black man.

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I believe you have conflated, in your mind, unusual events with the normal course of affairs. I presume you have allowed this to happen because your sense of justice was so offended by those incidents that it is difficult to hold matters in perspective. That, to me, indicates you are a man of conscience. From other postings of yours I have read, and I am a fan, I also know you to be a man of some reason. Myself, I do not always maintain a balance between my reasons and my emotions.

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I'm pretty sure I got taken to task here. I guess I'm tired of seeing these right wing whackjobs treated with kid gloves while we gun down children and unarmed adults with no repercussions. Seems like the disconnect should be forcefully pointed out until the problem gets dealt with.By the way huge fan.

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If I were in charge of the enforcement/containment action against the occupiers of the building I would opt, I believe, for simple containment and exhaustion of those folks with bemused derision being my stance about them with the press. I would daily issue loud, unmistakable orders to lay down their weapons, to come out, and to cease their illegal trespass. I would do this with an eye to staking charges based on each day the occupation endured. When they do finally come out, and give up, as would be more or less inevitable if we don't make their cause a cause celebre or if we don't make them martyrs, I would fall on them like a duck falls on a June bug. What I would strive to not do is to allow this sidelight in world events to paralyze decision-making on any other matter. They are insignificant, unless we make them significant. The interesting question to me is in eventual charging of these folks whether they are charged with felonies which would prevent future gun ownership (That would be like cutting off their penises). Such a strategy would guarantee lengthy litigation and would, potentially, give them the forum they so desperately seek.

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Sounds like a good strategy to me. Hopefully you could get them to plead out avoiding the court drama.

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NCCommish said:

SHIZNITTTT said:

How long does the U.S. government negotiate? It is time for another Ruby Ridge or Waco massacre. Kill whitey! !!

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No more Wacos please. Cut them off. No more talking to the media. No one in or out. And wait them out. Hopefully no one dies here.

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Max Power said:

NCCommish said:

SHIZNITTTT said:

How long does the U.S. government negotiate? It is time for another Ruby Ridge or Waco massacre. Kill whitey! !!

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No more Wacos please. Cut them off. No more talking to the media. No one in or out. And wait them out. Hopefully no one dies here.

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I must have missed it. What exactly are their demands?

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B-Deep said:

What seems equally odd about the jail thing is that a judge could just ignore mandatory sentencing. That kind of makes it not really mandatory.

I am not a huge fan of too much mandatory sentencing, but that is beside the point.

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NCCommish said:

SHIZNITTTT said:

How long does the U.S. government negotiate? It is time for another Ruby Ridge or Waco massacre. Kill whitey! !!

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No more Wacos please. Cut them off. No more talking to the media. No one in or out. And wait them out. Hopefully no one dies here.

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Joe Summer said:

SaintsInDome2006 said:

I'm a little surprised some liberals or progressives don't find the reconviction issue concerning.

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And I'm a little surprised that conservatives are so opposed to it. It's chock full of conservative red meat:

- mandatory minimums (usually favored by conservatives)

- upholding a jury's verdict even if it seems morally wrong (usually favored by conservatives)

- judicial activism (usually opposed by conservatives)

- situational ethics (usually opposed by conservatives)

- honoring the rule of law (usually favored by conservatives)

And yet in this case a large number of conservatives have completely flip-flopped their positions. Where was the conservative outrage when drug users were getting 20 year sentences? Where was the conservative outrage in every single legal thread where liberals were calling for leniency in the face of strict interpretation of the law?

Not everything in life comes down to black & white/right & wrong. There is grey everywhere.

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