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Slow down. It’s the second game basically preseason against a good Arizona team. Our oline sucks and we have zero running game.Haskins just isn't the answer. In today's NFL, if you can't throw at least 100 yards in the half, you have no business being on the field.
Pretty good analysis...can't disagree with any of it.dgreen said:
Solid analysis; agree with all.dgreen said:
Both these guys are on my dynasty squad, so I've been watching the WFT. McLaurin looked great even against Patrick Peterson yesterday. Nobody seemed within covering distance of him all game. That said, they may have been playing soft because of the lead. But he just looked open at will.dgreen said:
Um. No. Haskins isn't where this team can win much. Hopefully he gets there over the season, but at some point you need a QB that can hit the target or escape pressure.
Cleveland was the game to win, and it was winnable. I honestly believe that Kyle Allen could have won that game. But he's probably not the long term answer either.
Don't think you have any chance of getting Lawrence, so you improve at LT or wherever you can get BPA. If Haskins is still brutal next year, then you should have another high pick ready to get a QB.
Yeah, my Haskins optimism is all based on the fact that he hasn't played a ton of QB compared to other rookie and second-year QBs. He had 590 attempts at OSU and has 304 so far in the NFL. He just doesn't have a ton of experience. Joe Burrow already has almost half as many NFL attempts as Haskins.To be fair Haskins was a 1 year starter and probably should have sat for two years to develop.
Ahhh, the old days of allowing young guys to develop and giving them a break for their first 4 years. Seemed to work for Rodgers just fine.
Haskins; I guess he looked better "statistically" and he also didn't throw any interceptions, but he just doesn't seem to be a guy that will make plays to win the game. The fourth and goal pass to the nine is symbolic of something. No, technically you "took what the defense gave you" and you didn't turn it over, but AT THAT POINT in the game we needed you to take a chance and squeeze something in. So while TECHNICALLY you didn't turn it over, REALLY you did turn it over right there.
This is 100% true. But when he left he was projected as the #1 pick in the draft. Nobody is going to turn down a potential #1 pick salary. As teams prodded more at him, he moved down the draft board and was probably lucky Snyder wanted him or could have slid way more.
Yeah. Look, his play was not good and I do think he should have been put on notice. That said, it does feel like a fast hook. Last year with Gruden was a waste. This year, he was only 4 games into a new system. He wasn't doing great. But, given that he was the 15 overall pick, I expected them to give him more time.
ditto. I suspect coach wants him to sit and learn the system better. Use this to motivate him. Thats my guess. Id prefer they let him learn live. but Rivera also probably thinks we can compete so he wants to show him how the guy who knows the system runs it. we shall see.
Giddy up Rams D this week. I get being unsatisfied by Haskins performance, but Allen is a practice squad level guy, who is a walking turnover, and that was with far superior weapons in Carolina.
It's an interesting discussion. I think you are right that this is a "compete now" or "win now" situation. When I think back to Rivera comments, he's said a few things that point in different directions:
Fixed that for you
I don't think Haskins has shown ANY signs of improvement since last year. He'd occasionally have a nice drive, but would follow it with poor play. He just doesn't have the "feel" in the pocket. I think Ron was smart to move on. I'm close to dropping him in my dynasty leagues because I just don't see him ever making it. Seen this before with Jason Campbell and RG3, sometimes even a new scenery changes nothing. 
Another priority the coaches have is to develop their other young players such as Gibson. So the move to Allen who has more experience in the offense may be a way of doing that as much as anything else, like trying to win games. Maybe Haskins just isn't running the offense the way they want. and they think Allen can do it better, even though Haskins still has more upside than Allen does if he did develop.
Yeah, but I can't remember a time in league history when there are as many geezers starting around the NFL. Brady, Brees, Rivers, Ben are all beating father time right now.
Yes, he was a first. They traded up for him.
I don't think either rationale makes any sense. He's replacing Haskins with a guy who he already had to bench last year. So Rivera needs to see 4 games from Haskins, but still hasn't made up his mind about Allen after most of a season.
