What do you guys think about that Harris kid? He seemed to emerge toward the end of the season and show potential. Not saying he's a # 1, but as a contributor for now who could continue to improve...
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PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Shall we create an off-season thread?
I think this is a very pessimistic view, and not entirely valid. Now if you said it about Junior Gallette, that would be another story.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Depends.MikeApf said:
"I want to be a Redskin" may erode a bit of bargaining power with the Redskins(although I'm sure they have talked about extensions for awhile so I'm not even sure if that is true or not) but it strengthens his bargaining power with 31 other potential employers. Even if he hated the Redskins, and I'm not saying he does, it's smart to say he wants to stay.
fatness
Footballguy
I'm assuming that for planning purposes, not as a personal opinion. They can't plan on Doctson being a starter. Last year they planned on Galette being a starter, really counted on it, and then he was hurt for the second year in a row. They had no backup plan. Penciling Doctson in as a WR1, 2, or 3 is a bad idea. He should be that by now, as a first round draft pick, but with his mystery ailment he's barely played and isn't well yet.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I hate, like really hate, projecting things onto young late round/undrafted guys as if we're the Seahawks...but *knock on wood* Harris made at least 2-3 really nice, natural looking sideline catches on 3rd down that caught my eye.
Only kinda related to the late round WR talk...I really hope the depth on the team, and STs in particular, is satisfactory for McCloughan at this point. If it is, I assume we won't see as many STs-oriented low-ceiling picks like Evan Spencer (barf) in the 6th round.
Only kinda related to the late round WR talk...I really hope the depth on the team, and STs in particular, is satisfactory for McCloughan at this point. If it is, I assume we won't see as many STs-oriented low-ceiling picks like Evan Spencer (barf) in the 6th round.
It sure seeme like Maurice Harris played a lot more than Ryan Grant at the end of the year. I think Hurt must be considered the # 4 wr at this point.
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My basic opinion: many good teams don't have stellar wide receivers. It looks like focusing on wide receivers is a poor blue print for building a team. I would only bring back Jackson or Garcon an a discounted deal. I would not spend big on a wide receiver. Focus on the defense and OL. Build primarily through the draft. Re-sign your own good players. I think Cousins and Chris Baker are the two the come to mind here.
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
So...we pay Cousins either a big $$$ long term deal, or we franchise him again for big money....paying him for numbers he put up with LOTS of weapons...then we don't keep him surrounded with weapons? When we don't have a running game or defense in place yet, either? Seems like a recipe for freaking disaster. Good luck.
The ONLY thing that has worked for this team for these past two seasons has been the passing game (two back-to-back winning seasons for the first time in 20 years, btw--even though we all wish they'd done even better, it still has to be acknolweged that something is finally working a bit). Yeah, lets set it back while paying the QB who runs it top-5 money. That will put more pressure on Cousins, on the running game that doesn't exist yet, on the defense McCloughan still has yet to build to even respectable levels (but that we all hope gets lots of resources poured into it this offseason).
I have a feeling that if we let the receiving corps around Cousins dry up, talent-wise, we are going to be blowing this thing up after the coming season, as we lose games while overpaying a QB who used to thrive off of having playmakers.
I can already foresee the opposing argument--"Its time for Cousins to sink or swim, if you're going to pay him like that he needs to be able to raise the production of everyone around him and not be supplied with playmakers all over!" I think we can all admit that he's probably not that guy, but that we probably need to pay him like he is anyways if we want to keep winning games.
The ONLY thing that has worked for this team for these past two seasons has been the passing game (two back-to-back winning seasons for the first time in 20 years, btw--even though we all wish they'd done even better, it still has to be acknolweged that something is finally working a bit). Yeah, lets set it back while paying the QB who runs it top-5 money. That will put more pressure on Cousins, on the running game that doesn't exist yet, on the defense McCloughan still has yet to build to even respectable levels (but that we all hope gets lots of resources poured into it this offseason).
I have a feeling that if we let the receiving corps around Cousins dry up, talent-wise, we are going to be blowing this thing up after the coming season, as we lose games while overpaying a QB who used to thrive off of having playmakers.
I can already foresee the opposing argument--"Its time for Cousins to sink or swim, if you're going to pay him like that he needs to be able to raise the production of everyone around him and not be supplied with playmakers all over!" I think we can all admit that he's probably not that guy, but that we probably need to pay him like he is anyways if we want to keep winning games.
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ConnSKINS26
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Watching Pryor vs. Norman again in that soundfx clip floating around the internet, he'd easily be my #1 WR target in FA if the Browns let him test the waters. He's a freak and much more nuanced than you would expect for a guy just learning the position--plus he's just a size/speed freak and I think he'd dominate with a guy throwing him the ball who doesn't mind just tossing it up for him. And he and Norman/other DB's would just make each other better every day. Guy is a competitor.
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fatness
Footballguy
I get that same feeling too --- that Cousins needs a very good WR group to maintain his level of performance.
That's a decent argument for franchising him again, if the WR corps is going to be depleted. Let him show that he can produce the same with a lesser WR corps, or show that he can lead the team to a winning record with lesser WR's and a (hopefully) improved running game and defense. Or let him go.
Really, this year seems like a make-or-break year for Cousins and/or Gruden and/or McCloughan.
CabinFever
Footballguy
Do we need Allen fired now? What in the fudge is going on in DC....
To be fair, the article above is an opinion piece. Snider really doesn't know what Allen is gonna do. So another option would be to wait until after the off-season to see exactly what transpires with Cousins, free agents, etc. before hitting the panic button.
If Allen f's it up, we can get peeved at him then. But I don't see the utility (from a fan's perspective) of getting too worked up about it right now. Right now, I'm just going to wait and see what they do. Then I'll form an opinion once it's done.
Luckily the Wizards are playing lights out right now and it's giving me my sports fix for the moment...:-D
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creepythinman
Footballguy
It goes even further than that. DeSean, Garcon, and Crowder is a very good WR corp but Kirk's success and future millions has been predominantly dependent on throwing to the uncoverable Jordan Reed.
http://wtop.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/CousinsStats.jpg
(dated 12/21/2016)
It's a thought I often had while watching Cousins--that Colt McCoy could just as easily throw to a wide open Jordan Reed at 10% of the cost. But the dichotomy between these stats is staggering.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
We could win 4-5 games with Colt McCoy and whatever we spent the extra $20 million/year on. Yeah that sounds like a good time.
fatness
Footballguy
That's true, it's an opinion piece. Second DMV sports guy to suggest it this week, though. Sheehan asked "How do we know it's not McCloughan standing on a table arguing for Cousins with Allen saying no? We don't, and that may be the case."MikeApf said:
I think Allen's pissed he lost his GM job to McCloughan. I could see him trying to get it back. And the further away Allen is from football decisions, the better.
fatness
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/30206/redskins-will-approach-kirk-cousins-deal-with-eye-on-future-free-agents
Free agents in 2017: Morgan Moses, Trent Murphy, Spencer Long, Junior Galette, Bashaud Breeland, Dustin Hopkins
Free agents in 2018: Jamison Crowder, Preston Smith, Matt Jones, Arie Kouandjio
There's a short writeup on each one in the article. I don't think Galette will be around (though I really hope he'll stop being hurt), and I don't think Jones will be around. Breeland is interesting. The guy was surprisingly good while inexperienced, and last year seemed like a setback for him. The whole secondary was plagued by players missing assignments and he seemed a frequent offender. I'm wondering if it was the coaching of Fewell and/or Barry that caused the confusion, and Breeland's dropoff.
fatness
Footballguy
Everything you need to know about the NFL's 2017 franchise tag
Good article. Here's the tag numbers for the upcoming season:
Good article. Here's the tag numbers for the upcoming season:
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Position Tag number
Cornerback $15,095,872
Defensive end $16,988,266
Defensive tackle $14,770,194
Linebacker $15,287,383
Offensive linemen $14,829,703
PK/Punter $4,946,841
Quarterback $21,588,871
Running back $12,755,536
Safety $11,691,943
Tight end $9,865,550
Wide receiver $15,795,917Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
that is pretty amazing. i had no idea the difference was that big. reed must also free up other aspects of the offense too.creepythinman said:
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Having a great TE is HUGE for an offense. Bradys states are similar without gronk actually.
Yeah, and this is the year they do well in the playoffs! Right?! :-D
But definitely am psyched about the Caps...maybe the best season they've had out of all the stellar ones involving Ovie...maybe this is the year?
OK, back to Redskins talk I guess...
fatness
Footballguy
You're gonna love this. Cooley's on the Redskins payroll.
Chris Cooley speculates on-air about Scot McCloughan: ‘Is he drinking?’
Same as it ever was I guess.
Chris Cooley speculates on-air about Scot McCloughan: ‘Is he drinking?’
JFC. I knew Cooley was in the tank for Couins, and has identified (without sources) McCloughan as the guy not wanting to pay too much to retain Cousins, but damn, man. This sounds exactly like Bruce Allen feeding crap to Cooley, and Cooley deliberately repeating it without checking it out.
Same as it ever was I guess.
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steelers1080
Footballguy
Scot did have an issue that he worked through. If he was back off the wagon then there'd be reports about it, not just wild speculation by a person who is more of a joke than anything nowadays.
Also, the Skins should franchise Cousins and hope that San Fran signs him away for 2 first round picks.
Also, the Skins should franchise Cousins and hope that San Fran signs him away for 2 first round picks.
This is a low blow by Cooley. Fun speculation about what a team might do is one thing. Spreading innuendo about a former alcoholic drinking again is just reckless and mean-spirited.fatness said:
This is why I'm just ignoring the news until after this whole thing is done. I feel like the news media -- both print and radio -- have a vested interest in spreading negative thinking and controversy, because they feel "that's what brings ratings." But as for me, as for a fan, I think this kind of stuff is just low class and cheap. The guy is a human being who had a problem (alchoholism) that has devastated families and cost lives...it is nothing to use as "click bait" or "ratings."
In the end, I don't think any of these guys -- Snider, Cooley, Florio, none of them -- know nearly as much as we're giving them credit for. Honestly.
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I agree. I believe Cooley needs to be fired. And if the Snyder owns the radio station, he needs to make it happen.
It's a cop out for Wylie to say "We're too busy to respond." That's like a line my kids would feed me for not doing something.
I guess the 'Skins braintrust was so horrified at last offseason's peace and tranquility that they decided to double down on their usual disfunction?
In just one short month (since running Barry out of town) DC sports radio has had Scott, Jay, Bruce and Kirk all about to get the axe at one point or another. And now allegedly infighting over the GM job.
I hope it is all just radio blowhards trying to stir up callers to fill airtime with...
In just one short month (since running Barry out of town) DC sports radio has had Scott, Jay, Bruce and Kirk all about to get the axe at one point or another. And now allegedly infighting over the GM job.
I hope it is all just radio blowhards trying to stir up callers to fill airtime with...
fatness
Footballguy
It's mostly radio sports people who just don't know anything, care to find out anything, or report anything. Redskin beat reporters do all the heavy work investigating and reporting. The ESPN980 radio guys just blather.
Joe T. was much-maligned, but has had such a long and successful media career that it's probably him. Sonny would be the gold standard of course.
Maybe Montgomery will manage to get his podcast empire off the ground and add his name to the short list...
MattFancy
Footballguy
Just like his crap earlier in the offseason about Ihenacho being upset. It's clear Cooley is still bitter about not be re-signed so he could suck up even more to Cousins and now is just saying baseless crap.
I think you can claim Mark Schlereth possibly. From his Wikipedia page:
"Schlereth was selected in the 10th round (#263 overall) of the 1989 NFL Draft by the Washington Redskins. He played 12 NFL seasons—six with Washington (1989–1994) and six with the Denver Broncos (1995–2000). He was a member of three Super Bowl championship teams (one with the Redskins and two with the Broncos) and was selected to the Pro Bowl for his performances in the 1991 and 1998 seasons."
Lots of folks see him as a Bronco but he was drafted by Washington, played as many years here as he did with Denver; also won a Super Bowl here, and made a Pro Bowl here.
Other than that, yeah Joe T. comes to mind.
I've heard Doc Walker call games before, in preseason and college and he's actually pretty good. If he ever got a chance on a bigger stage, I think he'd shine.
MattFancy
Footballguy
ESPN's Jason Reid reports "former Redskins officials who know Kirk Cousins" have said free agent Cousins doesn't want to be with the Redskins and wants to be franchise-tagged.
This doesn't make sense. If he doesn't want to be with the Redskins, why would he want them to franchise him? Wouldn't he hope they didn't so he could try and get more guaranteed money elsewhere?
This doesn't make sense. If he doesn't want to be with the Redskins, why would he want them to franchise him? Wouldn't he hope they didn't so he could try and get more guaranteed money elsewhere?
So on the one hand we have: "former Redskins officials who know Kirk Cousins"
On the other hand, you have Cousins himself who has publically said, he'd love to stay with the team and build something here.
What is going to happen is this:
1. People will say what Cousins actually said is not credible, it's only negotiation, etc. etc.
2. People will say the unnamed sources are speaking the Gospel Truth.
If you want to interpret the sky is falling, then yeah, the sky is falling. Go for it.
But the fact is there is competing, contradictory information floating around out there. Folks who say they know for certain what's happening are basically just fooling themselves. They are selectively choosing the rumor to believe that reinforces their own per-conceived view of the situation. Which is fine. It's a free country. We can believe what we want to believe.
We should just not confuse opinion and conjecture with solid facts,
Go Caps!
Go WIzards!
(PS...this is why so many people are skeptical of the media nowadays...not just in sports but in everything. :( )
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fatness
Footballguy
I wondered when they'd make him an offer. I wish I could pick that station up on my drive to work and back. Good for him.
fatness
Footballguy
This happens every year leading up and during to free agency and contracting negotiations and the draft. Agents and teams float information anonymously to try to influence things one way or another. This time of year the accuracy of football reporting is always way lower than during the rest of the year. It has nothing to do with the media in general --- it's an annual football event. There's truth out there, and there are obvious falsehoods out there, and there's guesswork out there, and most of it sounds the same. Then after free agency and the draft, football reporting goes back to the way it is the rest of the year.
As far as reliable people, there's this from Chuck Sapienza, who was ESPN980's programming director for years. That doesn't make it true, but it's a source with credibility.
Because then he is free to sign with any team in 2018. There is no way in hell the Redskins will pay him over 30 Mil. for a 3rd franchise tag. He knows that.
dgreen
Footballguy
The little I listened today, I didn't hear him.
When Andy was on with The Junkies, they asked him "Who else is following you here from 980?" Andy will be doing a show on Saturday mornings with Thom Loverro. Jason jokingly said, "Maybe Cooley will be here soon." They didn't discuss it any further, though.
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