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This team is making a serious run at most ####ed up franchise. Not everyone has a Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees or Matt Ryan. Finding one is the hardest thing to do in the NFL. They have a top 10 QB and are going to #### it all up after years of suffering with turds. They want a new turd it appears. They will be going right back to where they were without Cousins. A bottom feeder in the toughest division in the NFL. What a joke of a FO.
MattFancy
Footballguy
I think Cousins will be back. It may be on a franchise tag, but I'm pretty confident he'll be the starting QB here in 2017.
Barring a draft day trade, yes he will be under a franchise tag. But if the rumor that he doesn't want to be there is true, they have already lost him and will go back to being a bottom feeder barring lightning striking...AGAIN. They got lucky they had this guy and Bob failed or they wouldn't have a top QB right now. They are working hard trying to lose him. Idiots.
If he really, truly doesn't want to be here then they need to tag and trade him THIS OFFSEASON, in order to get something from him.
There is no point in signing him to a "one year rental contract." Now, I'm not saying he really doesn't want to be here. But if he doesn't. Tag, trade, see ya, then move on to the future. Try to squeeze SF's # 2 and another decent pick. Go D Line with the # 2 pick and think about QB with # 17.
Whether it's signing Cousins, or trading him, either way we need to look to build something for the future, because we are probably not Super Bowl contenders next year.
dgreen
Footballguy
Wow, if they jettison Scot M this year then that will be major suckage. Let's just bring back Vinnie Cerrato while we're at it.fatness said:
I really do hope that all of this is just dumb speculation by shock jocks and not the smoke that preceeds fire.
I'm still very skeptical of all the shock jock media commentary as this is just what they do. According to Cooley, Marvin Lewis was not going to be coaching the Bengals next season. He's not right just because he's Chris Cooley and he's "connected."
I dunno...you may be right but I hope you're wrong, if that makes any sense.
fatness
Footballguy
Cooley was supposedly off from Wednesday through end of week according to Sheehan (and actually according to my wife, who also listens to the show some days). Wife is a great football fan and has gotten quite knowledgeable; fun to watch games with. During some Giants game this year (I think it was Cowboys- Giants) Eli dropped back to pass and she let out this big booming "PUT THAT LITTLE ####### TWERP ON HIS ###!!!!".dgreen said:
Anyway, I can see Cooley either being fired or being on his last legs at 980. Bull in a china shop, and his BMOC act has worn thin.
CabinFever
Footballguy
this news about Cousins sucks. I want them to either trade him for 2 1sts now (assuming someone is wililng) or sign him to a long term deal. They aren't going to win the SB next year, so why bother franchising him for 1 year so he can then walk?? This is so frustrating...
dgreen
Footballguy
I wouldn't really call it "news". IMO, there has been almost no news, just a lot of speculation. I think there's been all this speculation because of the lack of real news.
fatness
Footballguy
I've been thinking about this Cooley thing and I remembered: in 2015 he wanted badly to play for the Skins again. He promised on the air that he'd play somewhere that season, and lobbied hard to play for the Skins. He said, repeatedly, that he had every decision-maker at Redskin Park convinced except one of them, and made it obvious that one was McCloughan. He said he'd play for the vet minimum, donate part of his salary to charity.
The Skins never made an offer, he then tried out for Arizona and the Giants who both were uninterested.
He was desperate to get back into football and blames McCloughan for it not happening.
The Skins never made an offer, he then tried out for Arizona and the Giants who both were uninterested.
He was desperate to get back into football and blames McCloughan for it not happening.
fatness
Footballguy
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
As much as I have disliked the way Snyder has run the team (and I still don't like him or Allen), I don't think he or the org deserve the media going down these roads. There are rumors flying, but they are unsubstantiated. It's almost like people are making things up to stir up something to talk about, and that includes Reid and Cooley and others.
But Snyder, Allen, McCloughan and Gruden (and all the players)....I'm not hearing anything negative. They aren't leaking what they plan to do with players or in the draft. There is nothing solidly pointing to any issues. I'll wait until real stories come out rather than rumors before judging anyone. Until then the media can invent stories to keep listeners entertained. instead they should squash the Redskins talk for a while and look into the other sports this city is a major player in.
But Snyder, Allen, McCloughan and Gruden (and all the players)....I'm not hearing anything negative. They aren't leaking what they plan to do with players or in the draft. There is nothing solidly pointing to any issues. I'll wait until real stories come out rather than rumors before judging anyone. Until then the media can invent stories to keep listeners entertained. instead they should squash the Redskins talk for a while and look into the other sports this city is a major player in.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
I blame Tony Wylie for this media madness
fatness
Footballguy
Hopefully this distacts the talking heads from their Kirk frenzy for at least an hour or so.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Are you suggesting that the person you're talking about doesn't drink whatsoever?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
The local Radio guys haven't really adjusted to a post Cerrato organization. They were so used to just being handed any/all information.
Also when flipping on Sports Center it'll make your head turn when you see COUSINS TRADE.......and then realize they are talking about DeMarcus Cousins.
fatness
Footballguy
If you listened this morning, Casserly was saying Cousins wouldn't command as big a guarantee as Sheehan/Cooley think, and that Cousins likely recognized that other situations he'd go to were not as good as the one in DC. I think Casserly was talking $20 million/yr. with $60 million guaranteed. I'd have no problem with a salary like that.
fatness
Footballguy
Rich Tandler
Also check out the video on that page where Chris Russell says he'd take Cousins over Roethlisberger.
Also check out the video on that page where Chris Russell says he'd take Cousins over Roethlisberger.
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dgreen
Footballguy
At least the other three kindly told him he's an idiot.Rich Tandler
Also check out the video on that page where Chris Russell says he'd take Cousins over Roethlisberger.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I was a little surprised that TJ Lang wasn't mentioned in the group. Maybe it's because GB has all that cap space, but GB showed last year that they are willing to part with interior OLmen. According to Rotoworld, "Impending free agent RG T.J. Lang wants to re-sign with the Packers but admitted he hasn't "heard a word from them" about a new contract."
Of course I would agree Zietler/Warford would be preferable but I also would expect both of them to sign for more money than Lang.
As it stands now the most likely scenario is that cousins forces them to franchise tag him for 2017 and then he walks in 2018 over to SF and Shanahan for big $. He screws the team that refused to sign him in the process. There is no way they franchise tag him a 3rd time. The cost is out of the realm of possibilities. Cousins holds all the cards right now. If he performs well in 2017, he screws this team over and they go back to being a bottom feeder. In a league where top QBs are the hardest thing to acquire, these morons are going to let one walk out the door. It's unprecedented.
fatness
Footballguy
Pretty soon Cousins will have to decide if he wants to stay on a team whose coach (and GM likely) want him with an offense geared to him for a reasonable amount of money, or go to a crap team for more money, perform at a far lower level, and not have a herd of local sports broadcasters cheering for him. He hasn't always done well under pressure on a team that wants him. Imagine him on a new lousy team, with no loyal fans and sportscasters, talking to the press about lots of losses. He has it pretty cushy here. He won't elsewhere.
DallasDMac
Footballguy
You've made this same point, almost the exact same post, about half a dozen times. We get it. You made your opinion clear. Is there some compulsion to post the same thing over and over ad naseum? It's like sitting through those Chevy commercials over and over and over and over....
fatness
Footballguy
No, it's not unprecedented. ATL let Brett Favre go. SD let Drew Brees go. Those are the QB's who ended up being great for other teams. SF let Alex Smith go, who's gone on to be serviceable. Bradford is on his 3rd team and he's been an average starter on each. Peyton freaking Manning was let go from the Colts and went on to win a Super Bowl with his new team (even if that had more to do with the surrounding talent). Now consider the QB's who have gone on to new teams and failed. The Flynns and Osweilers. These are just recent examples too. You might say "Oh but ATL didn't know Favre would go on to be one of the all time greats" or "SD thought Brees would never recover from his injury" or "Manning was at the end of his career." Yeah every situation is unique. But what about Cousins? He's shown some greatness, but a lot more average and worse play. He's shown some clutch play on 4th quarter game winning drives, but he's also completely failed to show up in a lot of big games. He's shown that he can't do much without a strong supporting cast (see stats with Jordan Reed vs without Jordan Reed). He's shown he does not want to play here. Breaking the bank for a player like that is a risky move that a smart GM might choose to avoid. He might move on and be great with another team, he might be average, he might be a couple years away from riding a bench for the rest of his career. You don't know, nobody really knows. Our GM has to make a guess, and he might get it wrong, but no matter how it turns out there's nothing unprecedented about it.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Some interesting points 5. I get what you are saying about Cousin. He can show up small at times, but he put up a lot of points in this league. Tough situation for the Redskins. I think Allen will get creative with a contract that keeps Cousins around for at least a year or two.
I recall in the ATL and SD situations that both teams had what they thought was their starting QB. In SD's case they were right with Rivers. In Washington's case, if they let Cousins do you feel comfortable with a replacement QB to keep the offense running effectively? Who do you have in mind?
I recall in the ATL and SD situations that both teams had what they thought was their starting QB. In SD's case they were right with Rivers. In Washington's case, if they let Cousins do you feel comfortable with a replacement QB to keep the offense running effectively? Who do you have in mind?
The bolded is the key point to me.
I mean, many of your points are accurate. He has in fact shown periods of time where he can be a very good QB but he's also shown times where he can come up small in the clutch. Make no mistake about it, if he comes through vs. Carolina and NYGiants down the stretch this is a very different conversation. That said, if Cousins is really, truly committed to being here, I would be inclined to sign him to a long term deal, on the strength of him being well above average and also on the reality that we don't have other options currently (I guess I"m in the minority thinking Colt won't step in and easily win 9 games). Those on this board know, I've been a pretty consistent Cousins supporter.
That said, I think the most important thing in negotiations, is for the Redskins get get a true sense of whether Cousins wants to be here. The worse scenario is not our letting him go this year. It's retaining him for a one year rental and starting over NEXT year. Bottom line, if you are going to start over, better to do it sooner rather than later, and ideally with additional draft picks. So, if I am Scot or Bruce or whoever, I take Cousins out somewhere and I just look him in the eye, and ask: "Tell us Kirk, do you want to play here or would you rather leave?" If he wants to play here, open up the pocketbook and pay him what market demands and don't look back. But...if you feel like he doesn't want to be here, then you have to tag and trade him this year. This may mean getting a # 1 and a # 3 instead of two # 1's but if the alternative is you pay him 24 M this year just to see him leave next year, then a 1 and a 3 is better than a nothing plus a year wasted.
I don't know if they can get him to be honest about it but that's what I would do: ask him straight up if he wants to be here. Because to me the money business can all be worked out...what's more important than that is to know if you even have a SHOT at negotiating or if he and his agent are just playing a game to go to market next year...
Snorkelson
Footballguy
How much cap space does Washington have?I should look it up myself but I'm being lazy. I'm beginning to think some team will make an offer. I think he is easily the best available qb, is young, maybe has some lapses but has been a pretty solid starter. Maybe not cle, sf, or chi, but a team that picks a little later may be willing to pay 2 1sts for his services. Put him on Miami (tannehill behind in recovery after choosing not to get surgery), Jacksonville, the jets maybe, buffalo. People seems to be focusing on the top 3 picks, which gets dismissed because that's a little rich. But if you give up say somewhere around 10-15 it seems a decent NFL starter is easily worth that.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
If you let cousins walk you likely let Mccoy run it next year. And he should be serviceable.
BTW i don't believe any of this media hype about cousins not wanting to be here. DC media is the worst sometimes. I cant see them letting him walk. Scott, Jay, their jobs are riding on this season(if we believe that portion of the media hype). Not a ton of leverage. I just wish we had handled this earlier and gotten it out of the way before the media animals started spinning it.
And if they truly arent sold, he is good enough to give a deal, and then just draft a late round qb as well.
Either way though, im ok with rebuilding or signing kirk. Im really indifferent at this point. :sigh:
Before you go believing every media report, check this out. Remember how Adam Shefter and Mike Florio sent out shock waves that Cousins would be courted by San Francisco? Well, here are some follow up items:
http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/49ers-interest-kirk-cousins-waning-report-links-san-fran-new-qb
(Now Shefter says Matt Shaub may follow Shanahan to SF)
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/01/jay-cutler-could-be-in-play-for-the-49ers/
(Now Florio says, no wait..Cutler could go to SF)
Here is the common thread: Shanahan has "ties" to Cousins via Washington; he has "ties" to Cutler through his dad/Denver. Translation: media members will look for whatever "connections" they can find between players and then speculate wildly about player movements. Here we have three different QBs going to SF, when the reality is, SF may even end up drafting a QB or going with what they have.
Take everything with a grain of salt in the offseason. Reporting is dead. Speculation rules.
http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/49ers-interest-kirk-cousins-waning-report-links-san-fran-new-qb
(Now Shefter says Matt Shaub may follow Shanahan to SF)
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/01/jay-cutler-could-be-in-play-for-the-49ers/
(Now Florio says, no wait..Cutler could go to SF)
Here is the common thread: Shanahan has "ties" to Cousins via Washington; he has "ties" to Cutler through his dad/Denver. Translation: media members will look for whatever "connections" they can find between players and then speculate wildly about player movements. Here we have three different QBs going to SF, when the reality is, SF may even end up drafting a QB or going with what they have.
Take everything with a grain of salt in the offseason. Reporting is dead. Speculation rules.
CabinFever
Footballguy
Well if Kurt really doesn't want to be here for goodness sake let's move him now and get SOMETHING for him. We can always rent Jay Cutler for a year. 
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Blah. Blah.
If the media speculates on everything Redskins they will eventually be right on 10% of it and tell us how brilliant they are. It fills their air time. By all means, don't talk about the Wiz, Caps, or Nats spring training. I hate baseball and I'd rather hear that. Fact is, most of these guys on the radio can't even talk hockey. Some not even basketball. Too bad because it would be nice to have sports show hosts the quality of those in more major cities.
The media wants stories. They seem to think the team owes them the honor of giving them something to talk about. It's lazy journalism spending 80% of time on Redskins.
Why would the team show it's hand at anything? I respect the team for keeping it close to the vest.
If the media speculates on everything Redskins they will eventually be right on 10% of it and tell us how brilliant they are. It fills their air time. By all means, don't talk about the Wiz, Caps, or Nats spring training. I hate baseball and I'd rather hear that. Fact is, most of these guys on the radio can't even talk hockey. Some not even basketball. Too bad because it would be nice to have sports show hosts the quality of those in more major cities.
The media wants stories. They seem to think the team owes them the honor of giving them something to talk about. It's lazy journalism spending 80% of time on Redskins.
Why would the team show it's hand at anything? I respect the team for keeping it close to the vest.
Favre was a zero with potential and only 1 guy saw the potential - Ron Wolf. Zero production before the trade.
Brees had a scary arm injury. Miami even passed on him. NO one will pass on Cousins if they are in need of a franchise QB.
Indy made a great move. Manning's neck injury forced the move and it was a great move It had to do with grabbing a potential superstar QB for the future.
Bradford is a ham & egger. Cousins 2 years are better than anything that guy has put up.
Cousins has no major issues, period. his play the last 2 years has been better Matt Ryan's of 2015. Look at Matt Ryan now.
None of the guys you mentioned put up huge #s the 2 years before where they stand now. 2 years worth . You can talk about the TOs and I say look at Matt Ryan and his 2015 OTs. Just as bad If not worse. End of story.
Because the WASH FO incompetence is staggering. These clowns are supposed to be professionals at what they do and they are acting like they ride the short bus.
Amen. Take the Wizards. We're roughly 24 hours from the trade deadline and they need to make a move to shore up their bench scoring and make a run in the East. WIth an improved bench, they can absolutely make a run at Cleveland. That is a HUGE deal but instead we're speculating with ZERO PROOF that Bruce Allen somehow put Chris Cooley up to calling someone a drunk on the airwaves. It's absolutely ridiculous.
Ditto with the Caps. I know they are choking dogs but this may be the year they throw the preverbial monkey off their backs...talk about it guys!
Did Brewer have any sources for this article? Or is this just kind of what "makes sense" to him based on history, personal opinion, etc?
### rapage possible at the combine. http://theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/61881/Report--Redskins-49ers-could-do-Cousins-deal-at-Combine/Default.aspx
Daniel Jeremiah of NFL Network "would not be shocked at all" if the Washington Redskins and the San Francisco 49ers agree to a trade involving quarterback Kirk Cousins at the NFL Scouting Combine next week.
Jeremiah is usually more of a draft guru than a source of information on the organizational side but he does have deep contacts. He believes there's a "better than 50 percent" chance that Cousins is not with the Redskins in 2017, and a deal involving Cousins going to San Francisco, possibly along with the Redskins' No. 17 overall pick, in exchange for the 49ers' No. 2 overall pick, is in the cards.
Cousins AND pick # 17 for pick #2. That's a little 
ridiculous.
Daniel Jeremiah of NFL Network "would not be shocked at all" if the Washington Redskins and the San Francisco 49ers agree to a trade involving quarterback Kirk Cousins at the NFL Scouting Combine next week.
Jeremiah is usually more of a draft guru than a source of information on the organizational side but he does have deep contacts. He believes there's a "better than 50 percent" chance that Cousins is not with the Redskins in 2017, and a deal involving Cousins going to San Francisco, possibly along with the Redskins' No. 17 overall pick, in exchange for the 49ers' No. 2 overall pick, is in the cards.
Cousins AND pick # 17 for pick #2. That's a little ridiculous.
fatness
Footballguy
He's covered them for for the Washington Post for awhile now and has seemed to have good information. He doesn't list his sources in the article. So either he has none, or he's not saying who they are (which would be wise for any reporter if they value their sources).
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Why would they even consider this? There's no sure-fire QB in this draft with a worth anywhere near the number two pick. So what would this trade accomplish? Almost getting Myles Garrett?
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