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34 minutes ago, matttyl said:

Resign, or re-sign?

Quit.  I believe I used the term properly.  At some point Bruce is outta here even if it's on his own accord.  His personal life points to it (sold McLean house, bought CA house, kids in college so out of Langley, etc.) . But maybe that's just me hoping.

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3 hours ago, avoiding injuries said:

This morning is like Christmas Eve when you’re allowed to open one present. Hopefully the big present will come later today with the firing of Bruce Allen. Or, it’ll just be another disappointing Christmas with Dan Snyder in charge. 

HTT_?

It's like the first present you open being a video game for a gaming system you don't have. You then expect that appropriately shaped wrapped box in the back to be the gaming system. But it's not. It's one of those trick presents where a small-sized gift is put in a big box and it's another game for the same gaming system you don't have. And you never actually get the gaming system and you realize those initial gifts are meaningless because the gift that makes all other gifts work is never coming. But the gift-giver gets you all excited by giving you gifts that imply that the meaningful gift is coming some day. But it's not coming.

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3 hours ago, MikeApf said:

Galdi's take is that they should use this time to innovate:  promote Kevin O'Connell to interim head coach and see if they have something there.  Points to the fact that they had McVay on staff at one time and let him go.  While it's not a lock that Connell will turn out to be one of the next young offensive minds to transition to HC, you will never know unless you try.  And what is the alternative -- promoting Callahan or Tomsula? -- two retreads who you KNOW are not the future.  So Galdi's take is promote O'Connell and start Haskins from here on out. You need to see if you have something with these two.  "

An interesting take that is worth considering...

I love innovation. Wish teams would take more chances. I'd be all for this, while simultaneously admitting it doesn't matter because real change will never happen (see my previous gift analogy).

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7 minutes ago, dgreen said:

I love innovation. Wish teams would take more chances. I'd be all for this, while simultaneously admitting it doesn't matter because real change will never happen (see my previous gift analogy).

And now is the time to take chances because it's not like the Redskins are going to do any worse.

Just watched Moneyball last night for the first time (I had read the book). It's amazing that people keep doing the same things without success because "that's the way things are done". Try something different. At worst, you will find a new way to fail to avoid in the future.

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Just now, dhockster said:

And now is the time to take chances because it's not like the Redskins are going to do any worse.

Just watched Moneyball last night for the first time (I had read the book). It's amazing that people keep doing the same things without success because "that's the way things are done". Try something different. At worst, you will find a new way to fail to avoid in the future.

My son just texted me saying that he heard the Redskins might target Tomlin in the offseason. Very innovative!

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In a recent conversation with someone who knows Dan Snyder well and is aware of his thoughts on potential next #Redskins head coaches that any list of candidates would include: #Steelers HC Mike Tomlin, #Bucs DC Todd Bowles, #Chiefs OC Eric Bieniemy.

 

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4 hours ago, hammerva said:

Bruce Allen 1:00 presser better be two things:

1.  Announcing he quit

2.  Telling people that they still "winning off the field" so I can laugh my ### off 

twitter is LEANING on the beat writers to go in on him.  should be interesting.

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If only Tony Wyllie was here to handle the press conference. He'd use a water cannon.

God this franchise is so bad now, such a joke.

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4 hours ago, hammerva said:

Bruce Allen 1:00 presser better be two things:

1.  Announcing he quit

2.  Telling people that they still "winning off the field" so I can laugh my ### off 

What are the odds he takes questions? He almost never does a Q&A session with the media. I think it was Craig Hoffman who said he's been on the beat for like 5 years and has yet to have an opportunity to ask Bruce a question.

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1 hour ago, fatness said:

They called him last night and told him to be there at 5 am, so he got to sleep on it before it actually happened. Class organization.

I wonder if it was like "Office Space Lumburg"...ummm, Jay, yeah...I'm gonna need you to go ahead and come in at 5 am...that would be terrific...

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I am surprised that Doug Williams isn't doing this press conference.  I thought his job was to be to the person who talks to the media because nobody is going to blame him for anything.  There isn't enough evidence that does anything that Bruce and Dan want him to do except maybe the Adrian Peterson signing

Also it isn't like this media is going to ask any hard questions.  They don't want to lose that chance to sitting in the luxury box drinking that water they consider beer with all the other rich people.

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8 minutes ago, dgreen said:

What are the odds he takes questions? He almost never does a Q&A session with the media. I think it was Craig Hoffman who said he's been on the beat for like 5 years and has yet to have an opportunity to ask Bruce a question.

Maybe he'll make Doug take questions...🙄

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"Doug felt we should go in another direction, and Dan and I deferred to his judgement. He won a Super Bowl for us after all."

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ADRIAN PETERSON RB, WASHINGTON REDSKINS

According to ESPN's Josina Anderson, Redskins interim coach Bill Callahan believes the team didn't run the ball enough under Jay Gruden.

Per Anderson, Callahan expressed this view in the company of both players and coaches last week, noting he was "hard-pressed" to remember a team with fewer rushing attempts to start a season. Emphasizing the run isn't going to solve the Redskins' problems, though Callahan can do what he wants now that he's taken over for Gruden as the team's interim head coach. Adrian Peterson could see more work added to his plate with Callahan calling the shots, though negative game script will continue to be a thorn in his side.

SOURCE: Josina Anderson on Twitter

Oct 7, 2019, 9:54 AM ET

 

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Reporter asking Allen what he's going to do to apologize to fans. :pickle:

He hemmed and hawed.

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"The culture is actually damn good"  

yeah if your culture is about making money and not winning :lmao:

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Allen: "The culture here is actually damn good." ..... Allen then deflects answer to talking about Doug Williams.

Another reporter: "Why is it so hard for you to set a winning culture?" ...... gobbledy-##### answer.

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LOL one reporter asked when they would get to speak to Dan.   He side stepped that one too.

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Also Bruce really loves Patriots fans for showing up to the game but also seems to #### on the Skins fans for selling their tickets on the secondary market.   Yeah I mean there is literally no reason for people to sell their tickets I am sure

 

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9 minutes ago, fatness said:

Allen: "The culture here is actually damn good." ..... Allen then deflects answer to talking about Doug Williams.

Another reporter: "Why is it so hard for you to set a winning culture?" ...... gobbledy-##### answer.

 His answer was basically “Of course we have a winning culture. Just look at all the guys we have from Alabama”. 

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Every time Bruce Allen gets behind the microphone, he confirms he has no clue how much everyone hates him, how much it's his fault, and what a doofus he is.  he has gone 8 years without answering a question.  Question 1....sidestep.   Question 2 ... deflect.   Question 3 ... answer different question.  Repeat.

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Bruce Allen in summary: 1) Jay Gruden is why the Redskins were 0-5. 2) Bill Callahan will be an upgrade. 3) If Alex Smith wasn't hurt this all could have been avoided. 4) They don't want to trade Trent Williams 5) The culture is damn good

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4 hours ago, Brunell4MVP said:

Gruden had basically given up.  Like a dog that's been beat too many times. 

Now he spends half his life just covering up.

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It's so Bruce of Bruce to fire Jay and promote his guy, right before they play their most winnable game of the season. If they beat Miami, it's 'see?' If they don't, it's 'nothing to see here'... wi -win for him. Classic political Bruce. What a slick POS.

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I cant believe that not just one single media guy who love to deservedly roast Bruce and Dan regularly l on shows or in print, played the hero and took Bruce down to the mat. Saying what everyone else is thinking is a sure way to never having to buy a drink in this town again...I mean come on, Keim, Finley, somebody, just burn it to the ground and salt the earth already. Somebody needs to. Its  not like you'd make any enemies that matter by doing it.

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21 minutes ago, MikeApf said:

I hate Bruce Allen.

The primary problem with this franchise wasn't Jay Gruden

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5 hours ago, hammerva said:

Love that they apparently fired him at 5 IN THE MORNING.  Not at night.  Not a couple hours after the game.  5 in the morning on a Monday.   I mean even Jerry Jones would have waited until 8.  Granted because Jerry would be too hungover to wake up at 5 in the morning but still

One note:  Jay Gruden starts working at 5 am.  Knowing this, it would be crazy to have him work 3 hours and then fire him.  

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19 minutes ago, Statorama said:

The primary problem with this franchise wasn't Jay Gruden

This is true.

There could be a short term bump in performance with a coaching change.  All this, to possibly eke out a win against Miami.

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2 hours ago, dgreen said:

My official reaction to Gruden's firing: :yawn::shrug:

Yeah now what?

Using Peterson more seems to be an answer but likely not a good one.

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Here are some quick thoughts:

1.  Everyone knew (or should have known) that the Redskins offense would struggle this year.  In a QB driven league, the Redskins are a big disadvantage.  Add in Trent Williams hold out, and now Brandon Scherff and Chase Roullier, and the lack of offense is really not a surprise.

2.  The defense was supposed to be good with studs along the DL and edge rushers.  Plus all the depth at CB.  The defense is clearly not living up to expectations.  

3.  Many times, coaches just need to change.  Gruden has been here 5+ years.  And for some reason, this year it all fell apart.  It was not going to get any better with Gruden coaching the rest of the season.  Gruden's teams were respectable on offense and very poor on defense.  He never has elite talent on the team.

4.  As people have noted in this thread, if the Redskins have a lucky season, they can win 10 games, never 11.  If they are unlucky, I previously thought 4 wins was the floor.  I think we are test the floor this season.  Redskin disfunction limits the upside.

5.  I remember how happy everyone was when Snyder fired Vinny Cerrato.  But then he brings in Bruce Allen.  If Snyder gets rid of Allen, we will probably hire another incompetent GM that will continue the disfunction.  Firing Allen basically does not go up high enough.  At some point, we need to realize that Snyder's personality/makeup/pettiness/meddlesomeness is incompatible with a winning football team.

 

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4 hours ago, Marvelous said:

Here are some quick thoughts:

1.  Everyone knew (or should have known) that the Redskins offense would struggle this year.  In a QB driven league, the Redskins are a big disadvantage.  Add in Trent Williams hold out, and now Brandon Scherff and Chase Roullier, and the lack of offense is really not a surprise.

2.  The defense was supposed to be good with studs along the DL and edge rushers.  Plus all the depth at CB.  The defense is clearly not living up to expectations.  

3.  Many times, coaches just need to change.  Gruden has been here 5+ years.  And for some reason, this year it all fell apart.  It was not going to get any better with Gruden coaching the rest of the season.  Gruden's teams were respectable on offense and very poor on defense.  He never has elite talent on the team.

4.  As people have noted in this thread, if the Redskins have a lucky season, they can win 10 games, never 11.  If they are unlucky, I previously thought 4 wins was the floor.  I think we are test the floor this season.  Redskin disfunction limits the upside.

5.  I remember how happy everyone was when Snyder fired Vinny Cerrato.  But then he brings in Bruce Allen.  If Snyder gets rid of Allen, we will probably hire another incompetent GM that will continue the disfunction.  Firing Allen basically does not go up high enough.  At some point, we need to realize that Snyder's personality/makeup/pettiness/meddlesomeness is incompatible with a winning football team.

 

I think most people do realize this.  But you Can’t fire the owner.  I can boycot games and not give him a cent, which is what i have been doing.  But ultimately I’ll take a Bruce firing over nothing.  At least there would be some hope if he puts in a true gm.  Doubtful but never know.

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So you basically fired Gruden mainly because he wanted to start Colt McCoy against that Patriots so you moved your lackey to head coach and now he is saying the starting job for the Dolphins is between McCoy & Keenum anyway.   I mean when the stooge coach of the team doesn't think Haskins is ready  :doh:

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1 hour ago, nittanylion said:

I cant believe that not just one single media guy who love to deservedly roast Bruce and Dan regularly l on shows or in print, played the hero and took Bruce down to the mat. Saying what everyone else is thinking is a sure way to never having to buy a drink in this town again...I mean come on, Keim, Finley, somebody, just burn it to the ground and salt the earth already. Somebody needs to. Its  not like you'd make any enemies that matter by doing it.

Keim would never do that. He's way too professional. Not sure about others.

What I'd like to see is some deep investigative reporting to find out what's really going on behind closed doors. For example, find out about the leak/release of this Gruden video. Such peculiar timing. Who did that? Why did they do that? Is it linked to Dan or Bruce?

There are bodies somewhere in Ashburn. Okay, that may be a bit extreme. But there's dirt, at least.

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From Callahan's presser: Wants to be primarily a running team, Keenum or McCoy will start until Haskins is ready (and he will be ready), no defensive coaching staff changes, O'Connell will be calling plays.

Only a few bits of hope there.

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56 minutes ago, Marvelous said:

4.  As people have noted in this thread, if the Redskins have a lucky season, they can win 10 games, never 11.  If they are unlucky, I previously thought 4 wins was the floor.  I think we are test the floor this season.  Redskin disfunction limits the upside.

I think the Redskins left that point awhile ago. This is a 6-win team right now if everything goes perfect, and an 0-win team if everything goes south.

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2 hours ago, PinkydaPimp said:

:shrug::lmao:

Yeah, I heard the press conference. 

Bruce gave the press non-answers to almost every question.   Especially how the opposing teams' fans out-number Redskins fans.   Has no idea just how 'f'd up things are in Ashburn.  

Really classy move to have Gruden come in at 5 to get the axe.    

 

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I've been against a Redskins name chance since the question was initially asked.  At this point, though, I'd actually be for it as part of a complete and total team rebuild.  Could actually be a smart business decision by Danny boy, as he's not leaving the team.  Get rid of Allen, rebrand the team, start over, and sell new merchandise to fans. 

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32 minutes ago, dcgangstas said:

 Really classy move to have Gruden come in at 5 to get the axe.    

That says a ton about this franchise

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People with no-holds-barred access need to be asking no-holds-barred questions. Direct questions. And cutting off Bruce when he starts his patterned patter and demanding better answers than bs he's shoveling.

The public is 100% behind that MF'er being put on the hot seat at the very least. If just one guy would come in searing hot with some invective-laced accusations and demand accountable answers, and cut off the bs answers with "No, Bruce, that's BS and you know it, try again", and bully him, you cant tell me everyone else in the room wouldn't be on him in seconds, like dingos on a baby. He'd probably end the PC abruptly, and the fallout from not standing in the breach and taking the heat could be the catalyst the fans need to ignite the all-out revolt this Team needs. All it takes is one.

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If I win the lottery, I promise you all I will host an EPIC Sunday event in Landover directly conflicting with a Redskins home game kickoff. I will offer to buy anyone's tickets for up to 2x face value, and invite as many as can come watch the game with food, drinks and entertainment provided for all. We will burn those tickets, and any and all merchandise anyone wants to add to the fire. The (unstated) goal will be for that parking lot and stadium to be as close to empty as possible for m a home game. FU, Danny.

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1 hour ago, matttyl said:

I've been against a Redskins name chance since the question was initially asked.  At this point, though, I'd actually be for it as part of a complete and total team rebuild.  Could actually be a smart business decision by Danny boy, as he's not leaving the team.  Get rid of Allen, rebrand the team, start over, and sell new merchandise to fans. 

I've had similar thoughts recently. The two things aren't really related, but for some reason the complete nonsense of this franchise has led me to start to want the name to change.

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Sage Rosenfels tweet

“I was drafted by the @Redskins in 2001.

We opened the season with Jeff George at QB (2 games before firing him) and started 0-5.

We then won 8 of our last 11 games with Tony Banks at QB.

Snyder fires Marty Schottenheimer after the season to hire Spurrier.

Nothing has changed.”

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Daniel Snyder bought one of the NFL's proudest franchises two decades ago and proceeded to turn it into a league laughingstock.

“It was ridiculous and pretty amazing — it felt like a home game,” Patriots quarterback Tom Brady said.

“It was amazing,” coach Bill Belichick said. “Oh my God, there were so many Patriot fans here it was surprising and overwhelming.”

Great job there Snyder. Good to see articles that showcase what a total loser he is. Lots of $ but still a total loser. Pretty sure he doesn't care about winning. It's all about the dollar.

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I hope home games are empty all year.  Only way Snyder will change.  He won’t see a cent from me. 

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30 minutes ago, PinkydaPimp said:

I hope home games are empty all year.  Only way Snyder will change.  He won’t see a cent from me. 

My sons have been saving money to go to a game because they know tickets will be cheaper later this season. I will probably go with them if they decide to spend their money that way. I could never bring myself to disallow them using their money that way. They are on some social media so they see all the complaints, but to them it’s still an opportunity to get to see their favorite team. We used to have season tickets and we loved going to games together. They miss that. 

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2 hours ago, nittanylion said:

FU, Danny.

I feel a Bandwagon starting up.

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