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fatness
Footballguy
Great news on the Rivera hire! Yes, we all have to keep our fingers crossed as little Danny still owns the team but this is a positive start. With Rivera and Wilks replacing Manusky and a core of defensive players on the roster, the defense will almost certainly get better. I am curious as to who OC will be. I am an O Connell fan but this needs to be a Rivera choice and not a mandate from Dan...
matttyl
Footballguy
Redskins don't have their 2nd or 6th round picks (and no extra picks in any round till the 7th). I wouldn't mind a trade down so long as it's a haul.
I think we should trade down, get picks and go OT first round. Yes Young is good but we need OL, CB, and TE depth more and multiple high picks will be more impactful. Even IF Trent comes back hes on borrowed time. I still say Thomas is the smart first round pick...
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Jack Del Rio expected to be our DC.
fatness
Footballguy
Some franchises seem doomed to run in circles. Like Sysyphus they are always pushing the rock toward the top yet find themselves again at the bottom. Cleveland (remember, they were going to take the AFC North by storm this time) is the prime example.
But as a long-time Virginia resident, it really feels like the Redskins belong in the same category. Here they are “winning the offseason” again with bold moves for big names. Fans are excited that this time the guy hired will make the difference. Now finally they can compete with the declining (better-run) franchises sharing their division.
But why will Rivera succeed where Gibbs failed? Allen is out, but will the next guy be better than Cerrato? Washington has been about signing the big, popular name for decades, and sadly to little effect. Having a hard time thinking that this time will be any different than the previous 3-5 injections of hope.
Though it does sound, from this thread, like it might provide enough optimism to boost ticket sales. And I can’t help thinking that’s all Snyder wants out of this.
But as a long-time Virginia resident, it really feels like the Redskins belong in the same category. Here they are “winning the offseason” again with bold moves for big names. Fans are excited that this time the guy hired will make the difference. Now finally they can compete with the declining (better-run) franchises sharing their division.
But why will Rivera succeed where Gibbs failed? Allen is out, but will the next guy be better than Cerrato? Washington has been about signing the big, popular name for decades, and sadly to little effect. Having a hard time thinking that this time will be any different than the previous 3-5 injections of hope.
Though it does sound, from this thread, like it might provide enough optimism to boost ticket sales. And I can’t help thinking that’s all Snyder wants out of this.
fatness
Footballguy
I agree it looks like the other times, but this purge is a bit bigger than ones during previous HC hirings. I think a lot will change as a result. If we get a competent, strong GM who works well with Rivera, if the 2 of them don't run to Snyder with disagreements, and if play on the field improves steadily --- that's the best chance for stability and (finally) some winning football.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
Yawn. Nothing changes
Snyder continues managing his fantasy football franchise, but now focusing on an all-star bevy of coaches (Rivera, Lewis, Wilks, Del Rio, Urbs) instead of players (over the hill Deion, Bruce Smith, McNabb; fat Albert Haynesworth)
Here are the steps to owning a successful NFL franchise:
1. Hire and empower a strong and proven executive to run football operations
2 Get the eff out of the way
Snyder continues managing his fantasy football franchise, but now focusing on an all-star bevy of coaches (Rivera, Lewis, Wilks, Del Rio, Urbs) instead of players (over the hill Deion, Bruce Smith, McNabb; fat Albert Haynesworth)
Here are the steps to owning a successful NFL franchise:
1. Hire and empower a strong and proven executive to run football operations
2 Get the eff out of the way
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
DallasDMac
Footballguy
A bag of lettuce is better than Allen. I don't think you understand just how bad this guy was. You can say MOTS if you want, but NO reclamation could possibly begin until this step was taken.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
... You poor soul. You poor, poor, poor soul.I think we got the very best candidate on the market, this is a great start to our off-season. And I agree with fatness, we actually owe a TON of gratitude to Trent Williams. I think he's one of the main reasons Dan HAD to make the moves he's making. If he returns, and Guice is healthy next year, I think we can win the division. I really do (of course, that's not saying much in our crappy NFC East)
fatness
Footballguy
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Hmm, I’m still not a big fan that the front office stuff wasn’t figured out/finalized more before the HC hire. Just seems backwards, IMO. I’m sure there are examples where it’s worked, but history seems to suggest (to me) that this is putting the cart before the horse.
nittanylion
Footballguy
Never in a million years did I think I'd utter these words, but...
Thanks, Dan Snyder, for your part in making this the happiest New Year's Day I've had in a while!
Thanks, Dan Snyder, for your part in making this the happiest New Year's Day I've had in a while!
fatness
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/MarkBullockNFL/status/1212380177960984576
That probably puts Norman one step closer to being out the door.
fatness
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
Long article by Michael Silver on Ron Rivera, written December 28 before the hire. There's a lot to like.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001092047/article/silver-ron-rivera-ready-to-roll-into-next-hc-job
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001092047/article/silver-ron-rivera-ready-to-roll-into-next-hc-job
It is definitely backwards. Hire the HC, then the HC has input on the front office configuration and hires. They also draft the QB, gets 1 year with old coach, then next coach inherits the QB. That happened with RGIII too.
With Zorn, hired him as OC, then no one would accept HC job with OC already hired.
Rivera looks like a strong hire. But what bothers me: Snyder is the acting GM right now, firing front office personnel and training staff. It is not clear if he plans to hire a GM or keep running the team himself.
All bad teams have one goal at the end of the season: sell hope to the fans. The Redskins have gone through the cycle many times. It usually starts off ok, and at some point, mysterious forces unravels it all. We can call it corporate culture.
The key question: can Snyder hire the right people and stay out of their way so they can change the culture at Redskin Park?
All bad teams have one goal at the end of the season: sell hope to the fans. The Redskins have gone through the cycle many times. It usually starts off ok, and at some point, mysterious forces unravels it all. We can call it corporate culture.
The key question: can Snyder hire the right people and stay out of their way so they can change the culture at Redskin Park?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I suppose some munchkin frolicking is in order?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Great info, As a Phinsfan we've suffered for a long long time as well, it feels like we might have a keeper in Flores and I do like Ron Rivera. Are the Skins going to the Super Bowl? That's hard to forecast but I do think 2 of the next 4 seasons you will win the NFC East or make a playoff run that will have the fan base energized.
Mike McCarthy has become a hot name again, I think several teams want to try and get experience this year which is why so many veteran head coaches on losing teams kept their jobs. Atlanta, Jacksonville, several others seem to be keeping coaches who could have been one and done.
Miami hired Chan Gailey, 67 and retired but we got a grizzled veteran for our OC
fatness
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
I'm impressed with how Flores got the Dolphins roster to turn themselves around. They're an actual team already, and look like they'll get better.
nittanylion
Footballguy
Rivera press conference live now
dgreen
Footballguy
Will be interesting to see what personnel changes are made with a switch to 4-3 as the "base" defense. Nickel is really the "base" defense in today's NFL, so I don't think it's a big deal, but worth discussing who on the roster fits and who doesn't.
DT: Payne, Ioannidis, Settle
DE: Allen, Sweat, Young
WLB: Dion-Hamilton, Harvey-Clemons
MLB: Bostic, Holcomb
SLB: Anderson, Orchard
That's a really good DL rotation. Allen can probably play some DT, too.
Ryan Anderson could make a really good SLB. He's considered good against the run and seems to do a good job of taking on blockers.
Bostic and Holcomb can fight for the MLB spot. Not sure if either would be considered a 3-down LB or not.
Just totally guessing at WLB. Harvey-Clemons is listed as a SS, but he has LB size so could be a good fit there. Also, I read how Rivera/Del Rio like to use a hybrid S/LB which could fit nicely for Collins for Harvey-Clemons
I left Kerrigan out of the above depth chart. Saw a tweet where Kerrigan said he'd have to add 10-15 pounds to play a 4-3 DE. He's due $11m (?) in his last year on his contract. If they need/want that cap room, I'm afraid he's gone since he's starting to decline and he's not a great fit for the 4-3. But, he has made it clear he wants to be here. So maybe he's willing to take a significant cut and they can just use him as a pass rush specialist in nickel/dime and not sue him at all in 4-3.
Chase Young probably isn't a huge need but I'm a BPA guy and I can't imagine passing on a huge talent at 1.02 in order to address some immediate need.
I think they should address DB needs in FA (and draft a DB or two) and possibly even a MLB if the right guy is out there. A lot of times the MLB is the QB of the defense and I'm not sure if the roster has that kind of leader right now.
ETA: I forgot about Reuben Foster. Possible MLB.
DT: Payne, Ioannidis, Settle
DE: Allen, Sweat, Young
WLB: Dion-Hamilton, Harvey-Clemons
MLB: Bostic, Holcomb
SLB: Anderson, Orchard
That's a really good DL rotation. Allen can probably play some DT, too.
Ryan Anderson could make a really good SLB. He's considered good against the run and seems to do a good job of taking on blockers.
Bostic and Holcomb can fight for the MLB spot. Not sure if either would be considered a 3-down LB or not.
Just totally guessing at WLB. Harvey-Clemons is listed as a SS, but he has LB size so could be a good fit there. Also, I read how Rivera/Del Rio like to use a hybrid S/LB which could fit nicely for Collins for Harvey-Clemons
I left Kerrigan out of the above depth chart. Saw a tweet where Kerrigan said he'd have to add 10-15 pounds to play a 4-3 DE. He's due $11m (?) in his last year on his contract. If they need/want that cap room, I'm afraid he's gone since he's starting to decline and he's not a great fit for the 4-3. But, he has made it clear he wants to be here. So maybe he's willing to take a significant cut and they can just use him as a pass rush specialist in nickel/dime and not sue him at all in 4-3.
Chase Young probably isn't a huge need but I'm a BPA guy and I can't imagine passing on a huge talent at 1.02 in order to address some immediate need.
I think they should address DB needs in FA (and draft a DB or two) and possibly even a MLB if the right guy is out there. A lot of times the MLB is the QB of the defense and I'm not sure if the roster has that kind of leader right now.
ETA: I forgot about Reuben Foster. Possible MLB.
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Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Man, I really want to get all the warm fuzzies after watching Rivera’s press conference, but I’ve got 20 years of scar tissue buildup that just won’t allow it. My New Years Resolution is to wait until this time next year in order to decide on whether I jump back in to Redskins fandom with both feet, or not. I keep reminding myself that Snyder is still ultimately in charge of all of this.
ETA: Speaking of Snyder, it’s easier now to see why he doesn’t get behind a mic, like ever. Pretty sure he has a healthy fear of public speaking. He is not comfortable, at all, doing it. Saw this on Twitter and agree, that in his position and with his money some professional public speaking training would do him worlds of good.
ETA: Speaking of Snyder, it’s easier now to see why he doesn’t get behind a mic, like ever. Pretty sure he has a healthy fear of public speaking. He is not comfortable, at all, doing it. Saw this on Twitter and agree, that in his position and with his money some professional public speaking training would do him worlds of good.
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I get the BPA argument but I fear if we go Young we're gonna have NOTHING at offensive line. I am not banking on Trent coming back. And if Trent comes back, I'm not banking on him being healthy. Many of the others are breaking down or free agents. This is why I'd advocate looking for a trade down partner. I think one of the top two offensive linemen could be had further down the top 10. Get an anchor on the offensive line + more picks because we have other needs such as CB depth, TE, and RB depth (seriously worried about injuries there).
DGreen I know you definitely understand football, so I'm not challenging your thinking but just wondering what you would do in this situation to address offensive line. I feel with a young QB we are trying to develop, there is some level of urgency to provide a running game and QB protection in 2020 or we may ruin the kid. So, I am not saying OL simply to "win now" but even to develop for the future. You know?
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ffmail4me
Footballguy
I really liked the press conference...this man is proven, and his former players love him. All great signs. And as far as the o-line, yes we ABSOLUTELY need to address it, but I don't think you skip on a potential generational talent in Chase Young to draft an OT at 1.2. I'd be thrilled if they spent 2 of their next 3 picks after Young on lineman though. Hopefully we can get some good FA help too. Now if they can get a great package to trade down I'm fine with passing on Young, but he should bring a nice haul as highly touted as he is. Not to mention the other QBs coming in that teams might want to trade up for. Fingers crossed for a great draft!!
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Sidewinder16
Footballguy
For me, I don't think OL has to be a top draft priority. In no particular order, I would put CB, LB (mostly MLB) and TE ahead of OL as the 'Skin's top positional needs. I'm like dgreen in that I'd much rather see 1.2 used on the BPA over just filling a position of need. Also, even though this OL unit was cobbled together with a hodge-podge of FA castoffs, I think the 'Skins OL still did alright this season. PFF even just ranked them as the 13th best unit in the NFL for the 2019 season.MikeApf said:
I will say, though, that I chalk up much of that "success" to Callahan and O'Connell. Callahan is gone and O'Connell may not be around this season so I do worry that whatever was working for them this season may not carry over to and/or improve in next season. I guess my point being, with the right mix of coaching and play calling, above average OL unit performance can be pulled out of average OL player talent. I think it's possible to address more immediate OL deficiencies through free agency (not big name, big ticket, first day free agents) while using mid- to late-round draft picks to shore up depth and look for future talent.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Rivera talked to/spent time with Joe Gibbs before deciding on taking the Redskin's HC job.
Holy crap, how cool is that. Not that I know any more than the next Average Joe (no pun intended) about Xs and Os, but that would be a dream come true, to hang out with Gibbs, having him draw up plays and talk about how he sees the game.
dgreen
Footballguy
That's basically where I'm at. My assumption is none of these changes will work, so what's the point of getting excited? I took a wait-and-see approach with McCloughan and that helped me not be so disappointed when they fired him. I'm still interested in watching them and I like a lot of the young talent, but I'm not going to expect anything good comes out of this.Sidewinder16 said:
I heard he started today's PC off with "Happy Thanksgiving".
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