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It's a concern but one thing to consider is his offenses used the RB's as little as it did the TE's in the passing game until he got Ellington and David Johnson. I believe before those two the highest amount of receptions a RB had under Arians was Mewelde Moore's 51. So he's shown an ability to adjust his offense and take advantage of what players do best.

Also Howard will for sure be an everydown TE. He's not going to get a chance for Kittle/Ertz/Kelce type usage which was difficult to see anyway but I think he'll do better then the 4.8 targets per game he saw last year.

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8 hours ago, fruity pebbles said:

Heath Miller had a 800 yard season in 2009

Heath Miller had 3 of his biggest 4 seasons (by YPG) after Arians left. He averaged 56/634/4.2 per 16 games with Arians at ages 25-29, and then averaged 77/772/4.6 with Todd Haley at ages 30-32.

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The good news is that Howard wasn’t getting many targets as is.  Hard to expect him to get even less considering his current low totals.

its not like TB was throwing to him much past couple years.  

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1 minute ago, ILUVBEER99 said:

The good news is that Howard wasn’t getting many targets as is.  Hard to expect him to get even less considering his current low totals.

its not like TB was throwing to him much past couple years.  

Sure, but Howard's value is where it is on the basis of him hopefully getting more targets, not continuing with the same.

I think he has the ability to be a Kelce/Ertz/Kittle level fantasy asset, but that probably became a lot more difficult with Arians in town.

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Well, this will be interesting to watch. If Arians loved Heath Miller, he's really going to love Howard. I think it is safe to say his days of only playing 60% of the snaps are over. Arians appreciates good blocking from the TE and he leans heavily on the vertical game, so hopefully he's able to fully utilize Howard to keep the defenses guessing. Howard is coming off back-to-back (albeit small sample) seasons with 16.6 ypr. He'd be crazy to waste that. 

I think we really need to dig deeper into the stats to paint the full picture about Arians and his use of TEs:

 From 2007-2011, PIT ranked 26th in pass attempts. When Arians started, the team still had the "run the ball and play defense" mentality, however, passing attempts increased in each of his seasons, going from 442 to 536, despite having the #1 ranked defense in his last two seasons. During that span, they ranked 25th in TE targets, so roughly in line with total pass attempts. As the interim HC for IND he ranked 5th in pass attempts and 13th in TE targets despite only having a pair of rookies to throw to. During his tenure in Arizona, they ranked 10th in pass attempts and they ranked 31st in TE targets. The top 3 over that span were Gresham, Housler, and Fells. So to me it seems he uses what he's got. And given that he had Michael Floyd and John Brown, two very good vertical threats when they were playing (not drunk or injured), to go with Fitzgerald, he really had no need to go out and get a receiving TE given he ran 3WR sets almost all the time.

Of note, from 2012-2015, PIT again ranked 25th in TE targets. The only difference is that the league as a whole was throwing the ball more. The team ranked 10th in pass attempts over those 4 years. So as a % of the offense, the TE targets actually dipped during Haley's tenure as compared to Arians. So it wasn't that Haley was good for Heath and Arians was bad. It was just the larger volume of passes during that time frame (589 PA/season vs. 498)  that propped up Heath's stats compared to his time with Arians.

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I think the good news is that he'll be on the field a lot since he can block and Arians values that, so hopefully the days of frustratingly watching him on the bench when he's catching 80% of his targets for 12 ypt are over.

On the flip side I think it will be one of those things where he has the frustrating random 1 catch for 4 yards type game in what should have been a great matchup because he will sometimes be used as basically an extra O-lineman when the line is having a bad game.

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While the history of Bruce Arians not utilizing the TE is certainly a cautionary tale, I think Howard is good enough to change that.

Only time will tell though. There are a lot of mouths to feed in this offense.

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On 1/9/2019 at 9:32 AM, Biabreakable said:

While the history of Bruce Arians not utilizing the TE is certainly a cautionary tale, I think Howard is good enough to change that.

Only time will tell though. There are a lot of mouths to feed in this offense.

Agreed... However, I'm not worried about Howard or other play-makers.  This link on Arians' philosophy really does bode well for Buccaneers that possess young talent players who clearly need a strong coaching to turn vast potential into productive team.   I believe Arians will grow to love Howard's blocking and receiving skills to be utilized effectively. 

 

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15 hours ago, Aznflyer14 said:

Agreed... However, I'm not worried about Howard or other play-makers.  This link on Arians' philosophy really does bode well for Buccaneers that possess young talent players who clearly need a strong coach to turn vast potential to productive team.   I believe Arians will grow to love Howard's blocking and receiving skills to be utilized effectively. 

 

It's such a breath of fresh air to hear things like "we're going to be aggressive" and "we're going to tailor the system/scheme to the talents of the players we have."

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