Ilov80s
Footballguy
Week 9 Brate was 11% snap share and no targets. This week isn’t updated yet but I’m guessing it’s pretty low.
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TE O.J. Howard, Raiders (5 Viewers)
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grateful zed
Footballguy
buy low?
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I started Jack Doyle with Hooper out and got the same score. TE is an aidsfest right now.
Brandon Will
Footballguy
Hopefully he gets traded next year
grateful zed
Footballguy
if they want to get something in return, it would be wise not to publicly humiliate him.
there may be some cancer here.
grateful zed
Footballguy
i was, but i am still correct.
any team that trades for him will use him as a franchise tight end.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Agreed. I'd buy in dynasty, especially if people think he's totally worthless at this point.
What would it take to get him from a frustrated dynasty owner?
grateful zed
Footballguy
as a high first rounder 2 years ago, who has been underutilized and injured, im hoping for a high 2nd.
a wise owner would wait and see how this plays out in the off season.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
What team do you see trading for him, especially given he will probably require decent draft capital? And does that team excite you more than pass happy TB?
I ask because we almost never see high profile TEs traded. I think Graham to Seattle is the last one I can recall.
It seems like the league has a good number of quality TEs. There arent many teams who either don't have a good TE, or havent invested a decent pick in one.
Heres a short list of teams that wouldnt torpedo his value further than it is now
New England - obligatory suggestion however they are noticeably hurting at TE
New Orleans- I dont think they would trade for a 1 year rental and I'm not sure they can afford a big contract. But this would make the most sense to me
Dallas- They certainly can't afford a top contract and their offense is evolved to not depend on their TEs as much. I don't see this happening
That's it, from my perspective at least.
IMO Tampa keeps him. He's relatively cheap and I dont seen a team giving up a premium for him. Especially when they can get Ebron for free this offseason.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Greg Olsen was moved when the oc wouldn’t use him. I could see him traded for a third. Really no use keeping him if they don’t want to use him.
Boone22
Footballguy
TB is pass happy but mostly to their WRs. As an owner in Dynasty I’d be happy with any of the following destinations;
NE, NO, Dallas, Seattle, Houston, Jacksonville, NY Jets
Others that might excite me if their QB/coaching situations improve;
Chicago, Pittsburgh, Washington
Now not all of these teams have the ammunition to get a trade done but those are the ones that would improve his value considering how underutilized he is in TB.
I haven't had a chance to take a look at the snap counts, but Rotoworld implied that he was benched after the interception. Hence Brate's heavy usage yesterday. IMO, he needs a fresh start with a coaching staff that believes in him, is willing to be patient through his mistakes/ endure through the growing pains, and so on.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
These arent bad team suggestions, and Olsen is a good example of a guy whose career turned around, but I'm not sure I see a similar turn around. The time to sell high has passed IMO, however at this point you may as well hold and hope hes traded, then flip him at that point while the hype is high.
grateful zed
Footballguy
hoping for the best
The Frankman
Footballguy
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I'm sure as heck not chancing it in the fantasy playoffs unless I were really desperate.
grateful zed
Footballguy
Rec: 4/46
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Might pick him up to play over Henry. Gotta wait for Green to be ruled out first though...
Judge Smails
Footballguy
I picked him up. Would play him for sure if no Brate.
leftcoastheel
Footballguy
Not a chance I trust this guy in the championships.... total bust.
arctic_panzer_wolf
Footballguy
My opponent in the championship game had Higbee in until today. Now Howard. Not sure how I feel about that since I'm the one that drafted and dropped him. Pretty sure he'll go off.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
With Evans and Godwin out it's likely he'll see more than the minimal targets he's had in previous weeks.
grateful zed
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
Arians had some really harsh words for him Sunday. I get the impression he’s not doing the work they expect.
I do think Howard has struggled and played below his potential this year, but Arians’s postmortem on the season seems to be focused on throwing various players under the bus.
I agree. But there might be different ways to handle it. Just seems like a pattern w Arians.
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Tanner9919
Footballguy
you're the guy who thought he was greater than sliced bread, the new thing, right?
LOLs
sooo, NOW do you see that Howard is Vernon Davis v2.0 like I said back in august but you criticized me for it??! he's overrated TE who never-will-be. he will never be another Gronk, if that's what you're implying. Johnny Mitchell was supposed to be a juggernaut, too. and Winslow 2nd. never happened. If you want Gronk 2.0 in NE, Pats need to trade for Goedert.he's the best TE in the NFL not named Kittle or Kelce. and the least known. but he's not fragile like Ertz.He's a stud. Ertz is yesterday's newspaper
Interseptopus
Footballguy
No...
In fact, my first post in this entire thread is the exact post you quoted
In fact, I remember someone asking in a different thread (Godwin thread I imagine as I spent way more time there in August) how Evans, Godwin, Howard would all have amazing seasons, as it wouldn't be statistically possible, and I said I didnt think Howard would.
In fact, I believe I recall posting somewhere(probably Godwin thread) the historical analysis of Ariens' lack of use of the TE
In fact, I believe I even said he was a sell high back in August
I've never really been a fan of Howard's, or an owner of his. I always thought this TE situation was murky and one to avoid.
What a weird accusation. You've got an axe to grind with someone it seems, but it certainly isn't me
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Brandon Will
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
If you think Tom Brady is running the show invest in OJ. If it's still Arians avoid like the ... eh ... Just avoid.
I'm wondering where the balance between these possibilities is going to be. I can't imagine Brady going to TB without some level of reassurance from the team that he'd have input, but I'm also not assuming that Arians will just overhaul his system. I remain a big believer in Howard's talent. He played like crap last season, but the hype heading into the year was tied to elite efficiency numbers. I have him in 2 dynasty leagues (both TE premium) and I view him as a likely hold, though it might be worth putting him otb if we get a lot of offseason fluff pieces like this (and I think we will).Grahamburn said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
dont see how this improves oj....the system is the sytem
Grahamburn
Footballguy
O.J. was clearly the 4th or even 5th option on the majority of passing plays. As an athlete that situation can cause indifference. I think he just checked out. In Koetter's offense the year before he was a featured player and he performed like it.
In Arians' offense the TE is typically a chess piece to help with max protection so the WR's routes can develop down the field. He would basically stay in to block or chip and then turn around 5 yards downfield. It's an absolute and utter waste of his athleticism and talent.
I have to think Brady will speak up about utilizing him more efficiently, but I've been wrong before... I also thought Arians was smart enough to alter his offense to make O.J. a featured player. He wasn't.
In Arians' offense the TE is typically a chess piece to help with max protection so the WR's routes can develop down the field. He would basically stay in to block or chip and then turn around 5 yards downfield. It's an absolute and utter waste of his athleticism and talent.
I have to think Brady will speak up about utilizing him more efficiently, but I've been wrong before... I also thought Arians was smart enough to alter his offense to make O.J. a featured player. He wasn't.
saintfool
Dead sexy
Jameis threw downfield. Evans and Godwin, justifiably, were the top targets. Brady was a checkdown artist last year. Could he continue? Maybe. If so then Howard might be the beneficiary.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Howard was fantastic with Jameis in Koetter's offense in 2018, which was also a vertical attack. It was just an attack that featured the TE. Arians' offense doesn't.
az_prof
Footballguy
This is a definite upgrade for OJ. I can't imagine Brady not altering the offense and he will help make OJ into a great TE. People underestimate how important system and QB is to receivers. Yes, the HC is the same but you don't go out and get Brady without intending to use him in a way that suits his style. They will alter the offense to suit Brady's strengths.
