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3 hours ago, Ilov80s said:

He’s back 

Massive role change for O.J. Howard in his first game back from hamstring injury:

* Season-high 84-of-85 snaps

* Ran a route on 85% of Jameis Winston’s 55 dropbacks

* Season-high 7 targets

* Target inside 10

https://twitter.com/notjdaigle/status/1193901315023409153?s=21

Would be interested to know what Brate's stats were...

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1 hour ago, kyoun1e said:

Would be interested to know what Brate's stats were...

Week 9 Brate was 11% snap share and no targets. This week isn’t updated yet but I’m guessing it’s pretty low.

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O.J. Howard was benched after he dropped his only target in Tampa Bay's Week 11 loss to the Saints.

Not only did he bobble his only (perfectly thrown) target, Howard's attempt to corral it behind his back inevitably popped the ball in the air and resulted in Jameis Winston's first of four interceptions on the day. Cameron Brate (10/73) played every down from that moment forward as Howard didn't see a single look to finish the game. Sunday was arguably the last chance for the 24-year-old to stay out of coach Bruce Arians' doghouse. He can be dropped (if he hadn't been already) in 10/12-team leagues.

Nov 17, 2019, 7:03 PM ET

 

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Just now, rick6668 said:

Dropping for sure, but not sure for who, started him with Hopper out.   A Zero hurts.

I started Jack Doyle with Hooper out and got the same score. TE is an aidsfest right now.

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1 hour ago, Brandon Will said:

Hopefully he gets traded next year

if they want to get something in return, it would be wise not to publicly humiliate him.

there may be some cancer here.

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14 hours ago, DocHolliday said:

Hope you are trying to be funny

i was, but i am still correct.

any team that trades for him will use him as a franchise tight end.

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4 minutes ago, grateful zed said:

i was, but i am still correct.

any team that trades for him will use him as a franchise tight end.

Agreed. I'd buy in dynasty, especially if people think he's totally worthless at this point. 

What would it take to get him from a frustrated dynasty owner? 

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1 minute ago, kittenmittens said:

What would it take to get him from a frustrated dynasty owner? 

as a high first rounder 2 years ago, who has been underutilized and injured, im hoping for a high 2nd.

a wise owner would wait and see how this plays out in the off season.

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2 hours ago, grateful zed said:

any team that trades for him will use him as a franchise tight end.

What team do you see trading for him, especially given he will probably require decent draft capital? And does that team excite you more than pass happy TB?

I ask because we almost never see high profile TEs traded. I think Graham to Seattle is the last one I can recall.

It seems like the league has a good number of quality TEs. There arent many teams who either don't have a good TE, or havent invested a decent pick in one. 

Heres a short list of teams that wouldnt torpedo his value further than it is now

New England - obligatory suggestion however they are noticeably hurting at TE

New Orleans- I dont think they would trade for a 1 year rental and I'm not sure they can afford a big contract. But this would make the most sense to me

Dallas- They certainly can't afford a top contract and their offense is evolved to not depend on their TEs as much. I don't see this happening

That's it, from my perspective at least. 

IMO Tampa keeps him. He's relatively cheap and I dont seen a team giving up a premium for him. Especially when they can get Ebron for free this offseason. 

 

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9 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

What team do you see trading for him, especially given he will probably require decent draft capital? And does that team excite you more than pass happy TB?

I ask because we almost never see high profile TEs traded. I think Graham to Seattle is the last one I can recall.

It seems like the league has a good number of quality TEs. There arent many teams who either don't have a good TE, or havent invested a decent pick in one. 

Heres a short list of teams that wouldnt torpedo his value further than it is now

New England - obligatory suggestion however they are noticeably hurting at TE

New Orleans- I dont think they would trade for a 1 year rental and I'm not sure they can afford a big contract. But this would make the most sense to me

Dallas- They certainly can't afford a top contract and their offense is evolved to not depend on their TEs as much. I don't see this happening

That's it, from my perspective at least. 

IMO Tampa keeps him. He's relatively cheap and I dont seen a team giving up a premium for him. Especially when they can get Ebron for free this offseason. 

 

Greg Olsen was moved when the oc wouldn’t use him. I could see him traded for a third. Really no use keeping him if they don’t want to use him.

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16 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

What team do you see trading for him, especially given he will probably require decent draft capital? And does that team excite you more than pass happy TB?

I ask because we almost never see high profile TEs traded. I think Graham to Seattle is the last one I can recall.

It seems like the league has a good number of quality TEs. There arent many teams who either don't have a good TE, or havent invested a decent pick in one. 

Heres a short list of teams that wouldnt torpedo his value further than it is now

New England - obligatory suggestion however they are noticeably hurting at TE

New Orleans- I dont think they would trade for a 1 year rental and I'm not sure they can afford a big contract. But this would make the most sense to me

Dallas- They certainly can't afford a top contract and their offense is evolved to not depend on their TEs as much. I don't see this happening

That's it, from my perspective at least. 

IMO Tampa keeps him. He's relatively cheap and I dont seen a team giving up a premium for him. Especially when they can get Ebron for free this offseason. 

 

TB is pass happy but mostly to their WRs. As an owner in Dynasty I’d be happy with any of the following destinations;

NE, NO, Dallas, Seattle, Houston, Jacksonville, NY Jets

 

Others that might excite me if their QB/coaching situations improve;

Chicago, Pittsburgh, Washington

 

Now not all of these teams have the ammunition to get a trade done but those are the ones that would improve his value considering how underutilized he is in TB. 

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17 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

Heres a short list of teams that wouldnt torpedo his value further than it is now

I haven't had a chance to take a look at the snap counts, but Rotoworld implied that he was benched after the interception. Hence Brate's heavy usage yesterday. IMO, he needs a fresh start with a coaching staff that believes in him, is willing to be patient through his mistakes/ endure through the growing pains, and so on.

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These arent bad team suggestions, and Olsen is a good example of a guy whose career turned around, but I'm not sure I see a similar turn around. The time to sell high has passed IMO, however at this point you may as well hold and hope hes traded, then flip him at that point while the hype is high. 

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O.J. Howard caught 5-of-6 targets for 61 yards in the Bucs' Week 13 win over the Jaguars.

The five grabs marked a new season-best for Howard in what has been a horrific season for him. The 61 yards were his second-most of the year. This game had zero fantasy goodness despite the Bucs hanging 28 points on the board. Howard will be a borderline TE1/2 next week at home against the Colts.

Dec 1, 2019, 5:05 PM ET

 

 

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O.J. Howard caught 4-of-5 targets for 73 yards in the Buccaneers’ Week 14 win over the Colts.

Howard continues to flash in a major way whenever Jameis Winston decides to throw the ball his way. Few TEs in the league provide Howard’s combination of field-stretching ability and after-the-catch goodness, but he continued to lose plenty of work to Cameron Brate. The good news is that Howard could finally see something resembling a consistent pass-game role with Mike Evans (hamstring) potentially out ahead of an appealing Week 15 matchup against the Lions. Of course, we know better by now than to expect consistency from either Howard or Brate. Both are boom-or-bust TE2s.

 

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