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That's not the part that made no sense to him. It was likely this line: "Not sold on Collins. Ravens have historically used their RBs well. Might just be a product of the system."
Ah, I gotcha. I thought we were talking about his playing ability alone. If we are talking about his fantasy appeal, then he's solid. Could be beaten out by the guys that beat him out during the offseason last year though. That rarely happens to a #1 RB though.Dr. Octopus said:
You didn't realize we were discussing fantasy football on a fantasy football website? Common mistake.
Exactly the reason why, while I'd love to see Collins get his shot to carry the full load (he ABSOLUTELY deserves it based on both eye test and actual performance), I think he's risky as anything but a flex until we actually see Harbaugh & Co. use him like they should.Cowboysfan8 said:
Do you believe that the "best decision" in this case is to give Collins control of the backfield, or that it's a better decision to stay RBBC?
Agreed. Harbaugh likes Buck Allen a lot more than I and perhaps a lot of us do. But its his call so I still see that being a frustrating obstacle to Collins owners in 2018.
That's fair. But he got beat out by guys on another team.
Not really, but what I noticed earlier in the offseason when asked about the backs harbaugh brought up Dixon.
Also have to point out that, despite his suspensions and injury, the team has kept him around, and added no other depth. That may give you more confidence in Collins- and maybe it should. But I’d worry that the guy this staff drafted (4th?) believes in him and could earn work.
What's Baltimore's "team system"? They've had five (very) different OCs in the last ten years - and John Harbaugh was a special teams coordinator before becoming a HC so it's not his offense.
By this logic, Belichik isn't very involved in the New England offense because he was a defensive coordinator.
It’s nothing like that at all actually.By this logic, Belichik isn't very involved in the New England offense because he was a defensive coordinator.
It could very well work out better for Collins to go elsewhere, perhaps where his abilities are more appreciated.
It could be the Ravens are taking a wait and see approach to paying the next big RB contract No Ravens back since Rice has had success in back to back yrs A physical yet elusive runner, Collins averaged 4.59 yards per carry. Of the backs with more than 200 carries, the only one who averaged more per attempt were Mark Ingram, Kareem Hunt and Todd Gurley.
The OL has usually been good, and during that time, it has been led by Yanda. They've always opened up good running lanes for their RBs.
Beware the Jackson vulture . . .I would suggest reading the first few pages of this thread.
Now we're going back 20+ years for Lewis and Holmes - before Harbaugh was even there?
I'd argue that anyone's success is somewhat system related. And yes, that includes Tom Brady.
Yeah, Collins was good in college. Statistically, he did stuff that McFadden, Felix Jones, and Hillis didn't do (on an individual level at least). But college is one thing, the pros is another. The Steelers upgraded on defense this offseason, so let's see how he fares against them twice this year. Last year the Steelers were TURRIBLE on D, especially when Shazier went down.
One hundred percent agree on the quality of Alex Collins, and Spencer Ware, as RB talents. If anything it shows the Seahawks may be excellent evaluators of RB talent but simply made the wrong decision in letting Collins go (hence your point about decision making). I’m sure as Prosise sat on injured reserve, they wished they kept Collins, but perhaps that 3rd round investment played a role in letting Collins go. Alex also didn’t look so great in the preseason imo, especially compared to Chris Carson, but the light definitely turned on in Baltimore.
I do think there is an association between the lack of quality offensive line play and the type of RB they pursue. Because they are not giving their RB plus blocking, they may think they need RB who use power to win, players who can bring their own blocker and thats not really Collins game.
Similarly, with the drafting of Penny, we may not get to see what guys like Carson, Prosise, and Davis are truly capable of until they leave Seattle, a la Collins. And I agree with you, all three (albeit in limited snaps; even Prosise very briefly in 2016) succeeded in ways where they weren't overly reliant on line play. (How could they be, given the state of it?) That said, I wonder if, given his high elusive ranking (per PFF), Collins would have been capable behind the Seahawks line as well, had he been given the chance?
From what I recall their issue with Collins was fumbling and pass protection. We will never know if he would have been successful or not because they didn't give him the chance, preferring Rawls and then Carson over him.
It depends on the actual value of the pick package. 3rd round pick is all but worthless... the player you add will probably not be worth more than the player you need to drop to get him and/or will probably be on the waiver wire after the draft since there is no consensus of value after about pick 20. Is it a late, mid or early 1st and 2d?
