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RB Jordan Howard , NO (1 Viewer)

FWIW:

The Bears clearly moved to more of a committee in the ground game, and Jordan Howard was significantly better thanJeremy Langford. Should we expect to see a lot more of the rookie against Dallas this week?

Absolutely. Langford is off to a slow start. Ka'Deem Carey has a hamstring injury and is uncertain to play versus Dallas. Hey, Howard may be the best running back on the roster for all we know. Unfortunately the Bears can't run the ball, which is a great concern. Chicago is averaging only 68.5 yards per game. How can Howard be worse? That is what it has come to after a disastrous 0-2 start. Howard is part of the future plan. He'll see a larger role in Week 3. --Jeff Dickerson

 
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Yotes1 said:
FWIW:

The Bears clearly moved to more of a committee in the ground game, and Jordan Howard was significantly better thanJeremy Langford. Should we expect to see a lot more of the rookie against Dallas this week?

Absolutely. Langford is off to a slow start. Ka'Deem Carey has a hamstring injury and is uncertain to play versus Dallas. Hey, Howard may be the best running back on the roster for all we know. Unfortunately the Bears can't run the ball, which is a great concern. Chicago is averaging only 68.5 yards per game. How can Howard be worse? That is what it has come to after a disastrous 0-2 start. Howard is part of the future plan. He'll see a larger role in Week 3. --Jeff Dickerson
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Gracias.

It still reads like what he thinks should happen vs. what he has heard/seen will happen, but I don't anything about this beat writer, either. 

 
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I found it to be a valuable opinion. 

You're expecting a "Coach John Fox told me that Howard would begin to get the bulk of the work" report when he is asked his opinion?

 
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pulling for this guy with a chip on his shoulder and his head on straight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fryss95vbMM

Loving his pass catching ability for a 230 pounder ... nice power, vision and agility combo. He gets very low pad level/lean for a big man. He looks smaller, or more squatty than his height when he runs. Watch the hit at the 2 minute mark and nice power at 2:50 mark. Now look at the shiftiness at the 3:30 mark run. Its hard to believe he weighs 230lbs making those moves. You expect that more from a scat back sub 205 type back. He's also very smooth catching passes without having to collect himself to get moving after the catch. He isn't as fast in straight line speed as Langford, but he is fast enough for the position. I value straight lines speed as one of the least likely indicators of a good RB. It's nice to have that top end gear but many speedsters are not successful and its not a requirement to be productive as a RB ... and aside from having top end straight line speed advantage, I see Langford as inferior in running skill. Pass catching is about the same. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otzk5QUSjAY

Jordan Howard has good receiver instincts with bell cow endurance and 3 down size.

pre-season vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y_xsLI0nq4

Soft hands:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzs0HYROIDg

Finally, Matt Waldman's take: (He says he can't spin or juke but I see Jordan can do those things, but also has the ability to run through people and chooses this more often)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p3zWOrpx1o

Waldman confirms his power technique takes advantage of his size. A lot of "big" backs" don't use leverage properly for maximizing their power.

Opportunity could be knocking soon. I believe if given an opp he won't disappoint as his skillset is suited to CHI. They are not opening up huge holes where a speedy guy like Langford can take advantage. They could use a guy like Howard who can wear down the D with his size and lean and gain yards after contact.

 
So....Ka'deem Carey didn't even travel with the team to Dallas. Langford went from getting 96% of the offensive snaps to 60% last week. And then he fumbled. 

Can we pencil in Howard for 12-15 touches as a floor based on this? If so, I'm willing to start him over my other terrible options.

 
Plorfu said:
So....Ka'deem Carey didn't even travel with the team to Dallas. Langford went from getting 96% of the offensive snaps to 60% last week. And then he fumbled. 

Can we pencil in Howard for 12-15 touches as a floor based on this? If so, I'm willing to start him over my other terrible options.
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Short answer?  No.  I'd say that's the absolute max, not his floor.

 
SayWhat? said:
Short answer?  No.  I'd say that's the absolute max, not his floor.
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I don't think it's necessarily his max or his floor.

He will get some carries.  If he does well with them, he will get more carries.  If not, he won't.

May seem oversimplified, but this stuff ain't rocket philosophy.

 
spider321 said:
I don't think it's necessarily his max or his floor.

He will get some carries.  If he does well with them, he will get more carries.  If not, he won't.

May seem oversimplified, but this stuff ain't rocket philosophy.
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Well you don't know Loggains.  Common sense doesn't apply.  Howard had 2 straight solid runs last week and never got another carry

 
flapgreen said:
Well you don't know Loggains.  Common sense doesn't apply.  Howard had 2 straight solid runs last week and never got another carry
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I googled "Loggains".

i thought you had called me some awesome new insult that I was not yet familiar with.  Maybe you did.  lol

Btw, Loggains, on appearance alone, looks like a guy that doesn't know what he's doing.

Also, I traded for both Jordan Howard and Kevin White in my dynasty this week.  I have a bad feeling that I'm about to become intimately familiar with this new insulting word.

 
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 I hope everyone bought in before tonight. I mentioned it last Tuesday, and I acted then in one place.

 I had him in 3/4 leagues, and in one "open waiver wire" I was able to snag him earlier tonight.

 The time is now, and glad I went out of my way to take a speculative chance today before the games began. (in my other leagues where I didn't own him)  Who knows, it may not ever amount to anything, but having another starter in my leagues is gold.  

 TZM

 
spider321 said:
Bought in before the stock rises next week!
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See this is where the shark pool really pays off IMO.

As I'm sure everyone is aware, the edge that us fantasy nerds have over our less-nerdy league mates is shrinking by the day. The minute a piece of information gets out it is repeated and retweeted everywhere and we all have the info on our phones almost instantaneously. You barely even need to do any research on your own at this point. Every league homepage has a Tuesday article about who to pick up this week.

Over the last few years, with the help of the shark pool, my focus has been to grab the guy the week BEFORE everyone else knows to. IMO this is one of the few ways that you can still have a leg up on your competition.

As you might have guessed, I picked up Howard last week in a keeper league that allows us to keep 2 Vets and 1 Rookie each year.

Didn't expect to type that much, just wanted to say that threads like this are the BEST!

 
The Sunday and Monday night games are the best place to find potential adds before they shoot up the waiver lists. If fringe players on your bench disappoint during the main Sunday games, drop them immediately and take chances on guys, especially on backup RBs with potential. McKinnon last week, Howard this week. Worst case scenario, you drop them afterwards. I try to keep one flexible roster spot for spec adds like these

 
Skoo said:
See this is where the shark pool really pays off IMO.

As I'm sure everyone is aware, the edge that us fantasy nerds have over our less-nerdy league mates is shrinking by the day. The minute a piece of information gets out it is repeated and retweeted everywhere and we all have the info on our phones almost instantaneously. You barely even need to do any research on your own at this point. Every league homepage has a Tuesday article about who to pick up this week.

Over the last few years, with the help of the shark pool, my focus has been to grab the guy the week BEFORE everyone else knows to. IMO this is one of the few ways that you can still have a leg up on your competition.

As you might have guessed, I picked up Howard last week in a keeper league that allows us to keep 2 Vets and 1 Rookie each year.

Didn't expect to type that much, just wanted to say that threads like this are the BEST!
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I don't disagree with what you said, but the problem is that there are many more smart speculative adds than available bench spots.

Knowing Howard is about to be the next big thing isn't of much use when I've already used up my end-of-the-bench RB lotto tickets on guys like Washington, Dixon, etc.

And unfortunately, hunting down a reasonable 2-for-1 trade to open a bench slot is way easier said than done in my leagues.

 
One thing I noticed last night was how massive his lower body looks (maybe it was the tight white pants) and how quick he's feet move into the right position. He resembles MJD from the waist down. I know he's a lot taller than MJD, but when he keeps his pads low he has that same squatty look. It says he's 6'1, but I find that hard to believe. He looks closer to 6'. The other thing I noticed was with Langford in there it was 2 "3 and outs" in a row. Offense actually moved with the rookie in there. He had some nice pass rush blocks too.

This was a nice showing of his power:

Caught a dump off pass at the 51 and had first contact at the 44 of the cowboys.

Look how low his pads get. http://screencast.com/t/p6iHmT4upSra

Drags defenders to the 39 gaining the 1st down and a total of 5 extra yards after contact.

Langford can't do this: http://screencast.com/t/ymclTwQg

His last dump off was a good showcase of his skillset.

He made one defender miss then plowed 3 defenders for the first down, again dragging them for 4 yards after contact.

Dump off in open space at the CHI 47: http://screencast.com/t/71oZ07SJLHBl

Sets up defender in open space: http://screencast.com/t/jj2Vc2u3M

Breaks tackle and cuts across field to avoid 2 defenders with speed: http://screencast.com/t/UA3hR4sfFvs

Gets corralled at the 51 of DAL: http://screencast.com/t/PkHcXxicQ

Beautiful footwork for a big man cust back vertical toward 1st down marker: http://screencast.com/t/5QBX0ZmqgSSv

Contact at the DAL 40 ... getting low: http://screencast.com/t/xxMbYqCxU0u 

He got under the LB Sean Lee's pads and has leverage. http://screencast.com/t/H1KJkIhu1jr

Defenders ride along as he drags them to the 36, for 4 extra yards after contact: http://screencast.com/t/SVcGEfBc

First, this play shows he can catch the ball without losing speed. Second he shows tremendous footwork for a big man, avoiding defenders in space and breaking tackles with adequate speed and showing good feel/vision to avoid additional defenders in the open field, third once corralled he gets 4 extra yards with his power to again cross the 1st down line.

There were some rookie mistakes as well like missing an easy dumpoff that would have been a big gain. All in all a nice night for the rookie.

 
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Great info and analysis in this thread. Thanks everyone, good job. Probably going to be happy starting him next week as I play the JC waiting game... 

 
I noticed that Howard got 100% of the snaps when Langford was out. I wonder who will spell him going forward if Carey/Langford are both out? He should retain a huge chunk of the pie and even when Langford comes back Howard will retain a healthy chunk of playing time. He is a very effective goal line back with his power so no threat there as well. He has true 3 down ability which is ultra rare these days to first have it and even more rare to be in a situation to actually get to run all 3 downs. We could have something here.

 
It was nice to see Hoyer went back to him twice on routes after Howard stone handed a previous dump off. Of course it was all garbage time reps at that point. I wonder if they try those passes with him while the game is still in question.

 
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spider321 said:
I googled "Loggains".

i thought you had called me some awesome new insult that I was not yet familiar with.  Maybe you did.  lol

Btw, Loggains, on appearance alone, looks like a guy that doesn't know what he's doing.

Also, I traded for both Jordan Howard and Kevin White in my dynasty this week.  I have a bad feeling that I'm about to become intimately familiar with this new insulting word.
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:lmao: It should be an insulting word after this season. 

 
Wonderllama said:
The Sunday and Monday night games are the best place to find potential adds before they shoot up the waiver lists. If fringe players on your bench disappoint during the main Sunday games, drop them immediately and take chances on guys, especially on backup RBs with potential. McKinnon last week, Howard this week. Worst case scenario, you drop them afterwards. I try to keep one flexible roster spot for spec adds like these
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Imo, once a players game starts he should be frozen til waivers run. Not everyone has time to watch every game and snatch players off the wire

 
Cowboysfan8 said:
Imo, once a players game starts he should be frozen til waivers run. Not everyone has time to watch every game and snatch players off the wire
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I'm an active fantasy player and hate having to wait.  My main league has first come first serve waiver rules.  If a guy goes off in a game you can pick him up right away.  It will cost $5 though.  Each day after the pick up cost drops a buck.

In a more laid back league I can see why having it locked makes sense but in a competitive league I like it open.

 
Hawkeye21 said:
I'm an active fantasy player and hate having to wait.  My main league has first come first serve waiver rules.  If a guy goes off in a game you can pick him up right away.  It will cost $5 though.  Each day after the pick up cost drops a buck.

In a more laid back league I can see why having it locked makes sense but in a competitive league I like it open.
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To each their own. But I played in a league like that once, never again. A waiver system is the most fair system for all the owners every week

 
Hawkeye21 said:
BORING
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Meh..

I play ff with adults that have wives and children. If an owner is hosting a birthday party for his child he has the same chance as all the other owners at a free agent. Or if he is attending a ballgame that his child is playing on a Sunday ..or whatever. 

We all don't have time to watch every minute of every game with a laptop on the couch with the FA list open :lol:

 
Cowboysfan8 said:
Meh..

I play ff with adults that have wives and children. If an owner is hosting a birthday party for his child he has the same chance as all the other owners at a free agent. Or if he is attending a ballgame that his child is playing on a Sunday ..or whatever. 

We all don't have time to watch every minute of every game with a laptop on the couch with the FA list open :lol:
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I was just giving you crap dude.  My league has 24 teams and the majority are teachers, counselors and principals.  Most all have wives and kids including myself.

There's nothing wrong with having rosters locked but I enjoy being active on waivers.  It makes our league a lot more exciting.  I hate having to wait when I want to grab a player before others find out about him.

 
One note on such simple add/drop gameplay..

Theres going to be only so many players available for dropping once the games start.

Theres no do overs, once ya think ya believe what you seen.

 
mnmplayer said:
One thing I noticed last night was how massive his lower body looks (maybe it was the tight white pants) and how quick he's feet move into the right position. He resembles MJD from the waist down. I know he's a lot taller than MJD, but when he keeps his pads low he has that same squatty look. It says he's 6'1, but I find that hard to believe. He looks closer to 6'. The other thing I noticed was with Langford in there it was 2 "3 and outs" in a row. Offense actually moved with the rookie in there. He had some nice pass rush blocks too.

This was a nice showing of his power:

Caught a dump off pass at the 51 and had first contact at the 44 of the cowboys.

Look how low his pads get. http://screencast.com/t/p6iHmT4upSra

Drags defenders to the 39 gaining the 1st down and a total of 5 extra yards after contact.

Langford can't do this: http://screencast.com/t/ymclTwQg

His last dump off was a good showcase of his skillset.

He made one defender miss then plowed 3 defenders for the first down, again dragging them for 4 yards after contact.

Dump off in open space at the CHI 47: http://screencast.com/t/71oZ07SJLHBl

Sets up defender in open space: http://screencast.com/t/jj2Vc2u3M

Breaks tackle and cuts across field to avoid 2 defenders with speed: http://screencast.com/t/UA3hR4sfFvs

Gets corralled at the 51 of DAL: http://screencast.com/t/PkHcXxicQ

Beautiful footwork for a big man cust back vertical toward 1st down marker: http://screencast.com/t/5QBX0ZmqgSSv

Contact at the DAL 40 ... getting low: http://screencast.com/t/xxMbYqCxU0u 

He got under the LB Sean Lee's pads and has leverage. http://screencast.com/t/H1KJkIhu1jr

Defenders ride along as he drags them to the 36, for 4 extra yards after contact: http://screencast.com/t/SVcGEfBc

First, this play shows he can catch the ball without losing speed. Second he shows tremendous footwork for a big man, avoiding defenders in space and breaking tackles with adequate speed and showing good feel/vision to avoid additional defenders in the open field, third once corralled he gets 4 extra yards with his power to again cross the 1st down line.

There were some rookie mistakes as well like missing an easy dumpoff that would have been a big gain. All in all a nice night for the rookie.
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Except for his one long run, he averaged about 1 YPC?  How can you have all those "highlights" to his game?

Bears need to right the ship for ANY back to be successful.

 
What's worse is not only was one run for 38 yards he had another for 14 going through a huge hole.  His other 7 runs were abysmal.  Here are his 9 attempts: 1, 3, 38, -3, 0, 1, -3, 14 and 0.  Looks pretty similar to Lanford's stat line the last year.

 
DropKick said:
Except for his one long run, he averaged about 1 YPC?  How can you have all those "highlights" to his game?

Bears need to right the ship for ANY back to be successful.
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They were catches in space. He had a pretty good total yards production, good ypc avg and looked good. He will be more productive than Langford with his style bing more suited to yards after contact.

 
If you take away all of Barry Sanders' big runs, how many big runs does he have?

Heck, I'd bet good money that if you took away all of Jerry Rice's receptions, he wouldn't be the league's all-time leading receiver!

 
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Hawkeye21 said:
What's worse is not only was one run for 38 yards he had another for 14 going through a huge hole.  His other 7 runs were abysmal.  Here are his 9 attempts: 1, 3, 38, -3, 0, 1, -3, 14 and 0.  Looks pretty similar to Lanford's stat line the last year.
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On the other hand, if you take away his runs of 1, 3, -3, 0, 1, -3 and 0 he is averaging 26 ypc

 
Hawkeye21 said:
What's worse is not only was one run for 38 yards he had another for 14 going through a huge hole.  His other 7 runs were abysmal.  Here are his 9 attempts: 1, 3, 38, -3, 0, 1, -3, 14 and 0.  Looks pretty similar to Lanford's stat line the last year.
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Is this like taking out the best and worst test grade and averaging the rest together? 

 
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