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10 minutes ago, fred_1_15301 said:

Is he just a plain drop in redraft at this point?  

In one QB leagues, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to do so. While he hasn’t had all of his weapons this year, he’s still looking nothing  like he did a few years ago.

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Yep. I'm dropping this week. Don't care if someone grabs him at this point. He's wasting a spot for me.

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On 11/17/2019 at 8:33 PM, fred_1_15301 said:

Is he just a plain drop in redraft at this point?  

Probably.  The only saving grace is that he has a pretty juicy schedule during the first two weeks of the fantasy playoffs (Redskins, Giants).

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I traded him away in a deal that was vetoed because it was seen as me trading 3 studs away (Wentz was considered one of those studs). I was getting Daniel Jones back among others, who I would take Jones ROS over Wentz easily. Just letting you all know there are still people out there who consider Wentz a stud :lol:

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On 11/17/2019 at 7:44 PM, zamboni said:

In one QB leagues, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to do so. While he hasn’t had all of his weapons this year, he’s still looking nothing  like he did a few years ago.

I dropped him in a 2QB league for Tannehill.  At this point, I believe he offers more upside than Wentz.  I was super high on Wentz this season too.  I took Watson as my #1 but considered Wentz.....when he fell to me as my #2, I was very happy....shoulda taken Lamar for #2 instead( I have him in my other two leagues).....hind sight is 20/20 as they say.

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16 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

I traded him away in a deal that was vetoed because it was seen as me trading 3 studs away (Wentz was considered one of those studs). I was getting Daniel Jones back among others, who I would take Jones ROS over Wentz easily. Just letting you all know there are still people out there who consider Wentz a stud :lol:

Trades should NEVER be vetoed unless collusion is suspected.  

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17 minutes ago, Manster said:

Trades should NEVER be vetoed unless collusion is suspected.  

I won't into details, but he and 2 others thought it was. I can honestly say there was none. I genuinely like the guys I was trading for ROS and did not like the guys I was trading away. It may have been seen as an unfair trade to some but I was tired of my team sucking and wanted to make a change. it's clear to me now that league is run in a way I do not support- rules made during the season without league input and an inner circle of mods/posters from another forum pulling the strings. The commish will remain nameless as he frequents these forums (I dont want to hijack a thread or cause public drama). I wont be back. 

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5 hours ago, Manster said:

I dropped him in a 2QB league for Tannehill.  At this point, I believe he offers more upside than Wentz.  I was super high on Wentz this season too.  I took Watson as my #1 but considered Wentz.....when he fell to me as my #2, I was very happy....shoulda taken Lamar for #2 instead( I have him in my other two leagues).....hind sight is 20/20 as they say.

This is....silly. Have you not looked at the schedule?????

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11 minutes ago, renesauz said:

This is....silly. Have you not looked at the schedule?????

Is it?  The league I dropped Wentz in he has severely underperformed.  Since Tannehill has taken the job in TEN he has outscored him handily, and Tannehills schedule going forward is pretty soft as well......fwiw, I also have Kyler and Deshaun.

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If you are a Wentz owner in redraft you have to ask yourself the question, is he going to put up more points consistently?  I've been waiting all season and I've seen an out-of-sync offense with a mash unit of skill position players.  That doesn't seem to be changing in the immediate future.  190 yards and teeter ain't gonna get it done 

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39 minutes ago, renesauz said:

This is....silly. Have you not looked at the schedule?????

You would have thought it was silly 4 wks ago too

And Tannehill has smoked him the last 4 wks

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51 minutes ago, need2know said:

His wr are terrible.  I don't care how good the schedule looks

They need to get rid of all of them. Agholar stinks. Jeffreys is done. Hollins is nothing. JJAW is not even remotely ready for primetime.
 

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38 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

You would have thought it was silly 4 wks ago too

And Tannehill has smoked him the last 4 wks

I was holding Winston and Wentz as a nice end of season combo but Winston has been beating him even with his multi pick games.

Dropped Wentz for depth and moved on. 

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15 minutes ago, lod001 said:

They need to get rid of all of them
 

That’s going to be difficult

Unless I’m mistaken they are one of the highest paid WR groups in the league

And maybe 2 of them are guaranteed $ next yr too 

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16 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

That’s going to be difficult

Unless I’m mistaken they are one of the highest paid WR groups in the league

And maybe 2 of them are guaranteed $ next yr too 

Yeah Jeffery and djax are back for sure

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2 minutes ago, King of the Jungle said:

I happily drafted him as my starter as I projected him being a top three QB. Whiff....

Right there with ya. And thought I got a steal.

Took me too long to let him go.

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49 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

Now is not the time to drop Wentz.  His schedule is awesome from now on.  I expect good numbers the next 5 weeks.

He played well against the Redskins in week 1 but he's played a couple of other pretty poor defenses this year and struggled.

189/1/0 against the Jets
231/1/2 against the Falcons

I'm not sure I would be very confident starting him even against poor defenses right now.

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34 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

He played well against the Redskins in week 1 but he's played a couple of other pretty poor defenses this year and struggled.

189/1/0 against the Jets
231/1/2 against the Falcons

I'm not sure I would be very confident starting him even against poor defenses right now.

And why did he have such a good game week 1? Desean Jackson. Expecting good numbers consistently out of Wentz the rest of the way is wishful thinking this year.

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I get moving on in 1 QB seasonal leagues....heck I did in one spot. He said he was dropping him in a superflex....which is, as I said, silly

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Carson Wentz completed 33-of-45 passes for 256 yards, one touchdown, and two interceptions in the Eagles' 17-9, Week 12 loss to the Seahawks.

Wentz rushed five times for 27 yards and lost a pair of fumbles, totaling four turnovers by himself on the afternoon. His 256 yards were actually a five-week high for Wentz, but he did some damage late in the fourth quarter, including the touchdown to Zach Ertz, with the Eagles down 14 points. Wentz gets the Dolphins in Week 13 and will be a streaming option, but Wentz's every-week QB1 days are long gone as it pertains to 2019.

 

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I can't think of another QB that took a bigger step back this year than Wentz. Maybe Goff.

He played largely mistake free ball last year, and I know he's been down a lot of receiving weapons this year, but it seems like Wentz hasn't been the same since he tore his ACL. Maybe took away some of his confidence in addition to his mechanics? 

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3 hours ago, zamboni said:

I can't think of another QB that took a bigger step back this year than Wentz. Maybe Goff.

He played largely mistake free ball last year, and I know he's been down a lot of receiving weapons this year, but it seems like Wentz hasn't been the same since he tore his ACL. Maybe took away some of his confidence in addition to his mechanics? 

I figured Trubisky had this "award" all locked up.

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1 hour ago, davearm said:

I figured Trubisky had this "award" all locked up.

IMO Trubisky didn't have all that much of a step forward to result in a step back. Wentz was an MVP candidate two years ago and still had a decent year last year coming off the ACL.

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Wentz is a tricky player. With Foles having moved on, most of us who drafted him suspected the team commitment plus return of a player like DeSean Jackson meant Wentz was in for an uptick and maybe back to pre-injury MVP level play. We were wrong, and yes it's partly on him and it's partly on injuries around him. The scary part for me from a dynasty perspective is it feels like this shows he cannot put the team on his back and needs healthy weapons to succeed (and who really knows at what level).

 

Where it really hurt most of us is we kept holding onto the "stud" lens for too long this year. I can safely say he was key to my redraft non-success this year because I kept thinking he'd turn it around, which is the worst kind of player on your fantasy team (not obviously great, not obviously horrible, still some hope).

 

I'm dropping him in my redraft league in hopes to get Sam Darnold. In dynasty, I traded him for Murray straight up earlier this year to hope he'd turn it around, but thankfully got Murray back a few weeks ago. I'm selling and moving on.

 

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Published Mon Nov 25 10:21:49 a.m. MT 2019 

(fantasypros) Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz, who was seen after Sunday's loss to the Seattle Seahawks with a wrap on his throwing hand, is reportedly only dealing with a bruise and is expected to practice this week and play in the team's Week 13 matchup against the Miami Dolphins.

Analysis: Wentz struggled on Sunday as he dealt with a depleted offense line and receiving corps, and he briefly left the game to head into the locker room because of the injury to his hand. He did not miss any offensive snaps, however, and he looks to be fine going forward.

 

 

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I would monitor that injury update that Zed just posted.  If he really is messed up he is a drop.  But that schedule coming up makes me want to hold.

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9 minutes ago, The Man With No Name said:

Dynasty

Sure.  I'm talking right now.  Redraft

I dont think I have seen enough to doubt him much long term

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2 hours ago, need2know said:

Sure.  I'm talking right now.  Redraft

I dont think I have seen enough to doubt him much long term

I don't know, man, the guy cannot seem to stay healthy. Heck, even if his one great season, he got hurt near the end of it and missed the last few games and then the playoff run.  Part of being a great QB is being "lucky" enough to stay healthy, and Wentz has failed miserably in that regard.  It is hard to hold too much against him lately considering the garbage he has at WR to throw to, but he just doesn't look like the QB we saw in 2017, and I have serious doubts as to whether Wentz will ever become that consistent great QB that he appeared on track to be two years ago. 

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Not seeing a drop even in redraft. Still has a solid RB group, terrific TE group, and a VERY SOFT schedule.

Might have drafted him thinking of getting elite numbers these few (playoff!) weeks, and instead he's looking more like a low end QB1 option...but that's still better then Darnold or whoever else is on the waiver wire.

Sometimes we get so disappointed/disillusioned by our picks we over-react in the wrong direction, and I see a few guys in here doing exactly that.

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1 hour ago, renesauz said:

Not seeing a drop even in redraft. Still has a solid RB group, terrific TE group, and a VERY SOFT schedule.

Might have drafted him thinking of getting elite numbers these few (playoff!) weeks, and instead he's looking more like a low end QB1 option...but that's still better then Darnold or whoever else is on the waiver wire.

Sometimes we get so disappointed/disillusioned by our picks we over-react in the wrong direction, and I see a few guys in here doing exactly that.

I think owners are just waiting for that first decent game.

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2 hours ago, renesauz said:

Not seeing a drop even in redraft. Still has a solid RB group, terrific TE group, and a VERY SOFT schedule.

Might have drafted him thinking of getting elite numbers these few (playoff!) weeks, and instead he's looking more like a low end QB1 option...but that's still better then Darnold or whoever else is on the waiver wire.

Well....at the last minute based on a homer hunch, I swapped out Darnold and played Wentz. And to quote the eloquent Porky Pig: a badeep a badeep—THATS ALL FOLKS!

 

 

no playoffs for me...

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3 hours ago, renesauz said:

Not seeing a drop even in redraft. Still has a solid RB group, terrific TE group, and a VERY SOFT schedule.

Might have drafted him thinking of getting elite numbers these few (playoff!) weeks, and instead he's looking more like a low end QB1 option...but that's still better then Darnold or whoever else is on the waiver wire.

Sometimes we get so disappointed/disillusioned by our picks we over-react in the wrong direction, and I see a few guys in here doing exactly that.

Hes been pretty terrible all year.  Not even top 12

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4 hours ago, renesauz said:

Not seeing a drop even in redraft. Still has a solid RB group, terrific TE group, and a VERY SOFT schedule.

Might have drafted him thinking of getting elite numbers these few (playoff!) weeks, and instead he's looking more like a low end QB1 option...but that's still better then Darnold or whoever else is on the waiver wire.

Sometimes we get so disappointed/disillusioned by our picks we over-react in the wrong direction, and I see a few guys in here doing exactly that.

I disagree. I would rather have Darnold at this point. Not even close. 

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QB14 in total points, QB20 in average...which goes back up to QB14 or so if you throw out the last two games, which happened to be against an elite defense short handed, and tough game against Seattle even more short-handed. Oh...and the easiest schedule remaining in the NFL.

Disappointed? Sure am. DROPPING? Ummm....no. Probably break top 10 ROS

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1 hour ago, renesauz said:

QB14 in total points, QB20 in average...which goes back up to QB14 or so if you throw out the last two games, which happened to be against an elite defense short handed, and tough game against Seattle even more short-handed. Oh...and the easiest schedule remaining in the NFL.

Disappointed? Sure am. DROPPING? Ummm....no. Probably break top 10 ROS

Darnold has scored 33,32 and 23 over the last 3 games.Wentz hasn't broken 20 since week 6. Hasn’t hit 30 since week 1.

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Schedule or not, I think it would be insanity to start Wentz over Darnold.  Wentz has no weapons at WR and now he’s even missing wide open receivers.  There is a confidence issue with him.  Darnold, on the other hand, is starting to look like the top draft pick the Jets used on him.

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1 hour ago, renesauz said:

QB14 in total points, QB20 in average...which goes back up to QB14 or so if you throw out the last two games, which happened to be against an elite defense short handed, and tough game against Seattle even more short-handed. Oh...and the easiest schedule remaining in the NFL.

Disappointed? Sure am. DROPPING? Ummm....no. Probably break top 10 ROS

Good luck

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With Mayfield and Rivers FAs in my league, I'm not even sure I'd go with Wentz if my starter (Winston) went down.

Given that, seems like he's a drop.

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