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[Dynasty] 2017 Draft Prospects (2 Viewers)
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Xue
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
mr. furley
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swabs
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mr. furley
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Xue
Footballguy
My early rankings.
RBs
1a.Chubb
1b.Cook
3.Scarbrough
4.Freeman
5.Ballage
6.Mixon
7.Fournette
8.Hood
9.Perine
10.Michel
11.McCaffrey
12.Conner
13.Hurd
14.Gallman
WRs
1a.Smith-Schuster
1b.M. Williams
3.C. Davis
4.Villamin
5.Sutton
6.Dural
7.J. Washington
8.Cobbs
9.Lazard
10. Dupre
11.Chesson
RBs
1a.Chubb
1b.Cook
3.Scarbrough
4.Freeman
5.Ballage
6.Mixon
7.Fournette
8.Hood
9.Perine
10.Michel
11.McCaffrey
12.Conner
13.Hurd
14.Gallman
WRs
1a.Smith-Schuster
1b.M. Williams
3.C. Davis
4.Villamin
5.Sutton
6.Dural
7.J. Washington
8.Cobbs
9.Lazard
10. Dupre
11.Chesson
EBF
Footballguy
He did some amazing things last year and his versatility will serve him well, but college star does not necessarily = great pro prospect.
The way I see next year's RB class right now is similar to Xue's list, but different in some ways. I agree with him that Fournette is not as good as billed, though I'm slightly higher on him. I think there's one lock elite prospect (Chubb) and then a big bucket of "good" prospects whose upside varies (Fournette, Hood, Cook, Perine, Mixon, Freeman). I'd put McCaffrey in that group. All of those guys have top 100 potential and some of them may even have a first round ceiling, but I wouldn't trade a huge bounty for them in dynasty.
I'm generally less excited about next year's WR class compared with the backs, but I also view JuJu as an elite lock prospect. There are lots of players I like in next year's class, but he and Chubb are really the only ones that I view as can't-miss talents. Given that JuJu is the only one of the two with a clean bill of health, well...that's why he's likely going to be my #1 devy pick when I draft in August.
The way I see next year's RB class right now is similar to Xue's list, but different in some ways. I agree with him that Fournette is not as good as billed, though I'm slightly higher on him. I think there's one lock elite prospect (Chubb) and then a big bucket of "good" prospects whose upside varies (Fournette, Hood, Cook, Perine, Mixon, Freeman). I'd put McCaffrey in that group. All of those guys have top 100 potential and some of them may even have a first round ceiling, but I wouldn't trade a huge bounty for them in dynasty.
I'm generally less excited about next year's WR class compared with the backs, but I also view JuJu as an elite lock prospect. There are lots of players I like in next year's class, but he and Chubb are really the only ones that I view as can't-miss talents. Given that JuJu is the only one of the two with a clean bill of health, well...that's why he's likely going to be my #1 devy pick when I draft in August.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
EBF
Footballguy
Every player is unique, but I'll say he's 80% Demaryius Thomas and maybe 20% Justin Blackmon. DT is probably a little bit taller, but both have above average height along with excellent upper and lower body strength. Neither has truly elite speed, but both are fast enough to win deep. Demaryius had an insane YPR at Georgia Tech. JuJu's hasn't been as high in college, but he ranked 10th in the nation last year in catches of 25+ yards despite only ranking 15th in total receptions. So while he isn't a lethal deep threat like Will Fuller or Corey Coleman, his big play totals are quite good for a player of his size. He's also a very good possession WR. That's the Blackmon side of his game. With his strength, quickness, hands, and overall athletic ability, he's a handful on short-intermediate routes and can easily turn those short throws into significant gains. Basically, he's a complete #1 WR who can do everything for the offense. A lot of people have Fournette as the presumptive #1 in this devy class, but I think JuJu is the real frontrunner to be the first RB/WR drafted next year. Part of that is down to positional value (WRs tend to go before RBs) and part of that is down to him just having the fewest question marks.
ConnSKINS26
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JuJu kinda reminds me of Dez outside the RZ. I don't think he's shown the dominance in the endzone that Dez showed, but he looks similar in RAC situations.
He's might be a little smaller but he's got some T.O. to his game also. You don't see very many T.O. comparisons because he was a pretty unique player but JuJu might be that guy. Just looks like a man amongst boys, runs faster than he'll probably time, physical and great after the catch. Tough.
He's might be a little smaller but he's got some T.O. to his game also. You don't see very many T.O. comparisons because he was a pretty unique player but JuJu might be that guy. Just looks like a man amongst boys, runs faster than he'll probably time, physical and great after the catch. Tough.
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Xue
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Where do you have him?
He's overrated due to his production and high school hype. He has physical limitations and is dependent on the scheme at LSU: I-formation with lead FB. Doesn't create a lot for himself.
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ZWK
Footballguy
Based on the production that they already have, and their measurables as estimated by nfldraftscout:
At RB, my numbers really like (in order) Nick Chubb, Leonard Fournette, Royce Freeman, and Dalvin Cook (with more questions about the last two, especially because I haven't watched them play much). That is without penalizing Chubb for his injury, except for the missed games / small total workload this year. A couple tiers behind them are Samaje Perine, Saquon Barkley, Shock Linwood, Kareem Hunt, Elijah McGuire, Elijah Hood, Wayne Gallman, and Christian McCaffrey. It's possible that my system is penalizing McCaffrey too much for his lack of TDs (though it does seem notable that his coaches considered Remound Wright a better option in short yardage & goal-line situations).
At WR, JuJu Smith-Schuster is an elite prospect. Corey Davis, Taywan Taylor, Darren Carrington, and Keevan Lucas are ok prospects. Josh Reynolds, Kenny Golladay, Chris Godwin, Mack Hollins, Shelton Gibson, and Isaiah Ford would be in the "can't rule him out" category if they were entering the NFL now.
That's 5 top prospects at RB & WR who already have strong production on their resume, plus a bunch of other names who seem worth keeping an eye on or looking into in more depth.
At RB, my numbers really like (in order) Nick Chubb, Leonard Fournette, Royce Freeman, and Dalvin Cook (with more questions about the last two, especially because I haven't watched them play much). That is without penalizing Chubb for his injury, except for the missed games / small total workload this year. A couple tiers behind them are Samaje Perine, Saquon Barkley, Shock Linwood, Kareem Hunt, Elijah McGuire, Elijah Hood, Wayne Gallman, and Christian McCaffrey. It's possible that my system is penalizing McCaffrey too much for his lack of TDs (though it does seem notable that his coaches considered Remound Wright a better option in short yardage & goal-line situations).
At WR, JuJu Smith-Schuster is an elite prospect. Corey Davis, Taywan Taylor, Darren Carrington, and Keevan Lucas are ok prospects. Josh Reynolds, Kenny Golladay, Chris Godwin, Mack Hollins, Shelton Gibson, and Isaiah Ford would be in the "can't rule him out" category if they were entering the NFL now.
That's 5 top prospects at RB & WR who already have strong production on their resume, plus a bunch of other names who seem worth keeping an eye on or looking into in more depth.
FFCardsFan
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Xue
Footballguy
Ok. So what do your rankings look like? What does he do better than who I have ahead of him?
Personally, he's not even the best RB on LSU: https://youtu.be/O2iHlTFbeV4?t=1m10s
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
So are we very high on the 2017 crop at this point? trying to gauge what picks to move out and try and acquire 2017 picks.
I own 1,3,5,6,14 overall this year (looking at packaging 6 and 14 for 7 overall and a 2017 1st (projected anywhere from 4-6)
I own 1,3,5,6,14 overall this year (looking at packaging 6 and 14 for 7 overall and a 2017 1st (projected anywhere from 4-6)
I wouldn't give you any kind of decent 2017 pick for anything less than your 2016 number one.
EBF
Footballguy
I'd probably be willing to move anything outside the top 4 for a random 2017 1st.
EBF
Footballguy
My position isn't as extreme as Xue's, but I agree with his general premise. Fournette isn't quite the prospect that people make him out to be. He is a size/speed guy, but not particularly elusive.
Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
Careful, people used to say this when Chubb was just being discovered and people talked about him over Gurley. Don't discount Guice.
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Xue
Footballguy
You didn't answer the question. So basically you have no rationale other than "he's gonna ... be a beast".
ZWK
Footballguy
His numbers so far put him in that last category with Mack Hollins. I missed him because I was looking at the 2015 page of my spreadsheet, and he mostly missed this year & had his good season in 2014. He had very good YPT but not many TDs, with decent receiving yardage totals, for Clemson in 2014. It's interesting that he had a lot of receptions for 25-40 yards but very few for more than 40.
Xue
Footballguy
Many of the RBs I ranked have a very good size/speed combo as well. His O-line doesn't get enough credit for his success, which didn't look great vs Alabama.
