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[Dynasty] 2017 Draft Prospects (2 Viewers)

petekrum said:
His combination of size and speed will translate very well to the NFL. He was the entire focus of opposing defenses with LSU'S QB problems and still put up monster numbers. At worst he's the second RB taken by the middle of the first.
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I think he's a first round back, but Chubb has the same speed, more power, and superior agility. That's what separates them IMO. Fournette is more of a pure north-south player. He has quick feet, but is not the type of back to sink his hips, plant sideways, and leave people grasping air. He doesn't have that quick lateral flexibility. Occasionally when he gets in 1v1 situations you see a little bit of his weakness in this area. This is a good example:

https://youtu.be/k9etZq3uKNs?t=14m3s

He was not able to plant and cut hard enough to evade the tackle.

In the next example he actually succeeds at making the defender miss, but look at how choppy his footwork is and at how long it takes him to gear down and redirect:

https://youtu.be/hiNV7K9nozs?t=1m53s

He lost a lot of speed/momentum on that run. It is more an example of terrible pursuit/tackling than it is of good footwork and elusiveness.

Now compare that with a truly out of this world back, Adrian Peterson. Look at how wide his base is when he runs and how easily he is able to plant and redirect his movement:

https://youtu.be/mGwx-ZmCGi8?t=1m15s

Watch that whole video and you will see countless examples of him cutting on an absolute dime. His cuts are so crisp and efficient with little loss of speed or momentum. That's what separates the good ones from the legendary ones.

With Chubb I see a more graceful east-west runner who can easily shift his momentum and bounce around laterally. No choppy feet, just plant, drive, and slide.

https://youtu.be/gaV0yB1pX4k?t=7m31s

https://youtu.be/gaV0yB1pX4k?t=1m1s

I still think Fournette can be successful. Plenty of straight-line type guys have had some success in the league (DMC, Mendenhall, Chris Johnson). However, he's not the perfect back and may be a little more reliant on scheme/supporting cast than some other guys. I don't see him on the Peterson/Tomlinson level, which is how many are billing him right now. I see him as being more in line with a Ryan Mathews or Rashard Mendenhall. First round talent. Nice blend of size/speed. Lacking a little something to be that legendary type of prospect.

 
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EBF said:
I think he's a first round back, but Chubb has the same speed, more power, and superior agility. That's what separates them IMO. Fournette is more of a pure north-south player. He has quick feet, but is not the type of back to sink his hips, plant sideways, and leave people grasping air. He doesn't have that quick lateral flexibility. Occasionally when he gets in 1v1 situations you see a little bit of his weakness in this area. This is a good example:

https://youtu.be/k9etZq3uKNs?t=14m3s

He was not able to plant and cut hard enough to evade the tackle.

In the next example he actually succeeds at making the defender miss, but look at how choppy his footwork is and at how long it takes him to gear down and redirect:

https://youtu.be/hiNV7K9nozs?t=1m53s

He lost a lot of speed/momentum on that run. It is more an example of terrible pursuit/tackling than it is of good footwork and elusiveness.

Now compare that with a truly out of this world back, Adrian Peterson. Look at how wide his base is when he runs and how easily he is able to plant and redirect his movement:

https://youtu.be/mGwx-ZmCGi8?t=1m15s

Watch that whole video and you will see countless examples of him cutting on an absolute dime. His cuts are so crisp and efficient with little loss of speed or momentum. That's what separates the good ones from the legendary ones.

With Chubb I see a more graceful east-west runner who can easily shift his momentum and bounce around laterally. No choppy feet, just plant, drive, and slide.

https://youtu.be/gaV0yB1pX4k?t=7m31s

https://youtu.be/gaV0yB1pX4k?t=1m1s

I still think Fournette can be successful. Plenty of straight-line type guys have had some success in the league (DMC, Mendenhall, Chris Johnson). However, he's not the perfect back and may be a little more reliant on scheme/supporting cast than some other guys. I don't see him on the Peterson/Tomlinson level, which is how many are billing him right now. I see him as being more in line with a Ryan Mathews or Rashard Mendenhall. First round talent. Nice blend of size/speed. Lacking a little something to be that legendary type of prospect.
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You're wrong.  Fournette looks better running with ball than Chubb, not to mention the bad injury Chubb had.  You won't find very many in fantasy circles tha would take Chubb over Fourette.

 
JohnnyU said:
You're wrong.  Fournette looks better running with ball than Chubb, not to mention the bad injury Chubb had.  You won't find very many in fantasy circles tha would take Chubb over Fourette.
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The only reason it's close is because Chubb got injured. He looks better and had much better production against the same type of competition.

The mocks don't matter to me that much at this stage of the cycle. At this time a year ago people had Duke Williams ahead of Corey Coleman.

 
JohnnyU said:
You're wrong.  Fournette looks better running with ball than Chubb, not to mention the bad injury Chubb had.  You won't find very many in fantasy circles tha would take Chubb over Fourette.
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LOL. Let me know when Fournette can do this:

https://gfycat.com/VengefulAlarmedAffenpinscher

https://gfycat.com/ResponsiblePassionateIcelandgull

Look Fournette tries to make a hard lateral cut, but can't do it because he has poor hips.

https://gfycat.com/SorrowfulWholeDogwoodclubgall

Chubb is a freak athlete and I expect him to fully recover as Willis McGahee and Adrian Peterson has.

Fournette isn't even the best RB on his own team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2iHlTFbeV4

 
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Adding my $.02 to the Fournette/Chubb debate.  I think it's pretty obvious Chubb is the better runner.  They could both totally end up being RB1s for many years in FF, but if I'm ranking them based on the eye test, Chubb just has the cutting ability to match the speed and power.  I'm taking Chubb all day.  I'm really eager to see him get back from that injury. 

 
Xue said:
LOL. Let me know when Fournette can do this:

https://gfycat.com/VengefulAlarmedAffenpinscher

https://gfycat.com/ResponsiblePassionateIcelandgull

Look Fournette tries to make a hard lateral cut, but can't do it because he has poor hips.

https://gfycat.com/SorrowfulWholeDogwoodclubgall

Chubb is a freak athlete and I expect him to fully recover as Willis McGahee and Adrian Peterson has.

Fournette isn't even the best RB on his own team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2iHlTFbeV4
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Easy to pick and choose the video of your choice.  I've watched Fournete plenty and he looks looks like a stud running the ball.  I first watched video of him when he was in HS and you just know it when you see it.  I'm not saying Chubb won't also be a stud at the next level but I'm not going to sit here and act as if I was some sort of player scout like you (poor hips ;)  ) and EBF do, but for my money I like and have both, but I just like Fournette better right now. I guess that could change my mind down the road.

 
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JohnnyU said:
Easy to pick and choose the video of your choice.  I've watched Fournete plenty and he looks looks like a stud running the ball.  I first watched video of him when he was in HS and you just know it when you see it.  I'm not saying Chubb won't also be a stud at the next level but I'm not going to sit here and act as if I was some sort of player scout like you (poor hips ;)  ) and EBF do, but for my money I like and have both, but I just like Fournette better right now. I guess that could change my mind down the road.
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I picked the two of the best cuts Chubb probably has ever made that I've seen. For Fournette, I picked the most similar play and cut I could find resembling the first one of Chubb.

If you'd like to post something of your own, go ahead, but I'm confident you won't be able to find Fournette making moves close to what Chubb can do.

What exactly is Fournette better at?  What does "looks like a stud running the ball" mean?  Chubb and Guice are the same.

Fournette's HS video wasn't very impressive.  He was big, strong, and fast in a straight line running over smaller defenders, just like he is right now. 

Jacques Patrick is someone who looked very similar to Fournette in HS and I think he can become a similar player in college.

 
Xue said:
No, he's getting the overrated due to production treatment.  I don't see how he is significantly better than Royce Freeman.
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Strange comparison, they have very different skill-sets so I'm not sure how you're measuring "better". 

 
Xue said:
I picked the two of the best cuts Chubb probably has ever made that I've seen. For Fournette, I picked the most similar play and cut I could find resembling the first one of Chubb.

If you'd like to post something of your own, go ahead, but I'm confident you won't be able to find Fournette making moves close to what Chubb can do.

What exactly is Fournette better at?  What does "looks like a stud running the ball" mean?  Chubb and Guice are the same.

Fournette's HS video wasn't very impressive.  He was big, strong, and fast in a straight line running over smaller defenders, just like he is right now. 

Jacques Patrick is someone who looked very similar to Fournette in HS and I think he can become a similar player in college.
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Not speaking for Chubb but Fournette looks very fluid when he runs, sort of like Adrian Peterson and Eric Dickerson.

 
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Xue said:
No, he's getting the overrated due to production treatment.  I don't see how he is significantly better than Royce Freeman.
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Wtf does that even mean? What are you attributing his success to that allows you to discount his production? Is his full season of production not enough to slot him ahead of guys he's clearly better than? Is Stanford the Dallas Cowboys? I watched him play and he should have won the Heisman. 

On the topic of whether Mccaffrey could even make it in the NFL, DLF forums: 

Honestly, if McCaffrey were black then no one would be having this discussion. Not trying to be that guy but it has to be said. Dude is special, and he'll be special in the NFL as a runningback, no he won't have to change positions or be a COP guy. He is every bit as quick, elusive, and a playmaker as many RB's that we call studs. I'm buying him in a DEVY league late because this is the lowest his value will be. Also, since he won't be the best RB in his class (Fournette, Cook, Samaje, maybe Chubb), He's got a great chance to land in a great spot. 
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Its not an uncommon opinion, so please what are you attributing his production to that is a negative impact on his value.

 
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Xue said:
No, he's getting the overrated due to production treatment.  I don't see how he is significantly better than Royce Freeman.
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So... What exact level of production do you need to hit to be properly rated or under rated? 

Not like he's shredding some fcs guys every week

 
Xue said:
My early rankings.

RBs
1a.Chubb
1b.Cook

3.Scarbrough
4.Freeman
5.Ballage
6.Mixon
7.Fournette
8.Hood
9.Perine

10.Michel
11.McCaffrey
12.Conner
13.Hurd
14.Gallman


WRs
1a.Smith-Schuster
1b.M. Williams

3.C. Davis
4.Villamin
5.Sutton
6.Dural
7.J. Washington

8.Cobbs
9.Lazard
10. Dupre
11.Chesson
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So is Corey Clement just off the radar right now? I gotta believe he comes back 100% and puts up some numbers.

https://badgerofhonor.com/2016/04/25/wisconsin-football-corey-clement-shows-strong-at-spring-game/

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
Strange comparison, they have very different skill-sets so I'm not sure how you're measuring "better". 
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I'm comparing them because they play in the same conference.  I prefer Freeman because he's bigger and breaks tackles better and he is just as good of a receiver.

If someone is high on McCaffrey, they better be high on Sony Michel as well. But they're probably not. Which is why McCaffrey is overrated.

 
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JohnnyU said:
Not speaking for Chubb but Fournette looks very fluid when he runs, sort of like Adrian Peterson and Eric Dickerson.
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So how does that make him better than Chubb or any other RB I have ranked above Fournette?

 
Run It Up said:
Wtf does that even mean? What are you attributing his success to that allows you to discount his production? Is his full season of production not enough to slot him ahead of guys he's clearly better than? Is Stanford the Dallas Cowboys? I watched him play and he should have won the Heisman. 

On the topic of whether Mccaffrey could even make it in the NFL, DLF forums: 

Its not an uncommon opinion, so please what are you attributing his production to that is a negative impact on his value.
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Define "better" and who is he better than?  I'm saying his production is causing people to overrated his "talent". In my eyes, he's the 5th most talented RB in his own conference behind SoSo Jamabo, Ronald Jones, Royce Freeman and Kalen Ballage.  The common college football viewer don't know who these 3 RBs are because they haven't produced as much as McCaffrey.

I think McCaffrey is more of 2nd rounder. In terms of "skill set", Sony Michel is very similar and no one seems to be as high on him. So why the disconnect?

 
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Xue said:
So how does that make him better than Chubb or any other RB I have ranked above Fournette?
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I'm not a player scout so I'm looking at it from an untrained eye, unlike you and EBF ;)   I love the way Fournette runs and he reminds me of Adrian Peterson and Eric Dickerson from yesteryear.  That alone puts him above any other running back.....from an untrained eye perspective.  I'll take my chances with Fournette.  Having said that, I'm glad I own Chubb in at least one league.

 
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i guess "talent" is pure measurable... what kind of athlete a player is vis a vis each other. McCaffrey is fast, quick, good hands and vision. Ran track in HS. Has great genes. And is white, which shouldn't matter but it does to some people. If he runs under 4.50 40 at the combine, he will be a 1st round pick.

Production needs to be a factor because it involves at least a modicum of "talent" to be productive.  McCaffrey got the ball a lot. There must be a reason the coaching staff felt he should be getting 380 touches, plus returns.  I think it is ridiculous to discount a player because of production and to a certain degree, usage.

I don't think anybody is saying he is the best RB prospect, but he is a 1st round talent (and the most productive/best RB in college)

 
Xue said:
If someone is high on McCaffrey, they better be high on Sony Michel as well. But they're probably not. Which is why McCaffrey is overrated.
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This reminds me of when you were touting Dwayne Washington as the next Melvin Gordon before this year. I believe that was it. Trying to pick out a player with a similar skill-set to a well-known prospect who has produced much less for various reasons is a good way to stimulate conversation.

But how often do you hit on these? Sometimes, production DOES matter and hype is well deserved. Its not all just physical traits.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
This reminds me of when you were touting Dwayne Washington as the next Melvin Gordon before this year. I believe that was it. Trying to pick out a player with a similar skill-set to a well-known prospect who has produced much less for various reasons is a good way to stimulate conversation.

But how often do you hit on these? Sometimes, production DOES matter and hype is well deserved. Its not all just physical traits.
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Michel has plenty of production, though.

With McCaffrey vs Freeman, is 181 rushing yards and 297 receiving yards worth significantly more than the other?

 
OTC w 1.01/1.02 in a combined rookie/devy draft. Everyone is still available. League settings:

14 teams, Superflex, ppr, 5pt passing td's. http://www55.myfantasyleague.com/2016/home/74403#0 Team- Short Shorts

I have Andrew Luck and not much else. Basically, I punted this year and stocked up with picks. Who've you got? 

1.01- Zeke

1.02- ? 

Chubb? Juju? D Watson? Quon?

 
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Xue said:
Michel has plenty of production, though.

With McCaffrey vs Freeman, is 181 rushing yards and 297 receiving yards worth significantly more than the other?
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I like the way McCaffrey's skill-set projects directly to the NFL. I find Freeman to be too sluggish and straight line for me, honestly he just looks like a guy to me compared to a lot of the RB's in this class. I think Freeman is closer to Hurd than McCaffrey. I prefer Hurd by a little bit,  actually.

Liked your Ronald Jones shout-out by the way, drafted him over Freeman myself. He's going to be a stud. 

 
"Significantly more" ? Is your premise that McCaffrey is getting much more hype/love than Freeman? The two of the four DLF rankers have McCaffrey ahead of Freeman, and the other two has Freeman ahead.

Personally, I have McCaffrey ahead but on the same Tier and took him with my last devy pick (the 12th and last devy spot available) over Freeman because its PPR and 300 MORE yards of college production was a factor.

I think we all can agree a loaded RB class is coming and it won't be like this year where it's Zeke and the Pips. Chubb vs Fournette, or McCaffrey vs Freeman at this stage of the process is just preference. Another year of college, plus combine and NFL draft will help form the rankings... for now, it's just conjecture, nothing to worry about.

 
dipandglide said:
OTC w 1.01/1.02 in a combined rookie/devy draft. Everyone is still available. League settings:

14 teams, Superflex, ppr, 5pt passing td's. http://www55.myfantasyleague.com/2016/home/74403#0 Team- Short Shorts

I have Andrew Luck and not much else. Basically, I punted this year and stocked up with picks. Who've you got? 

1.01- Zeke

1.02- ? 

Chubb? Juju? D Watson? Quon?
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I love Chubb, but with the injury I'd be tempted to go JuJu. I face the same dilemma for an August draft and will probably go JuJu.

Haven't done my homework on Watson to know anything of substance about him, but in a 14 team PPR WRs will always be stressed.

 
EBF said:
I love Chubb, but with the injury I'd be tempted to go JuJu. I face the same dilemma for an August draft and will probably go JuJu.

Haven't done my homework on Watson to know anything of substance about him, but in a 14 team PPR WRs will always be stressed.
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I went with Treadwell. It was mainly between him and Juju. The reason I went Treadwell is because he's a good football player. I know he isn't the most athletic, but I like his physicality and the way he carries himself both on and off the field. I also think he and Teddy's skill sets match really well. Hopefully they both blossom post AP. Only time will tell :)

I have 1.08/1.09. It'll be interesting to see who goes off the board these next few picks. I have to assume Fournette, Chubb, Juju and Cook will all be gone leaving me with Watson, Rosen, Kaaya, M Williams, C Davis, Barkley, Guice and others. Any thoughts? I never asked you guys about Corey Davis. Is he as good as everyone says? He seems to be polarizing in the drafts I've seen. 

I noticed there's a devy draft thread. If this is bugging you guys, or a mod wants to move it, please do. If not, thanks as always to the posters for their thoughts and insight. 

Edit- Goff, Wentz and Doctson might all go in the 1.03-1.07 range too. I'm gonna guess QB's will be slightly devalued and will fall. How would you rank Goff, Wentz, Rosen and Watson? 

Double Edit- Got Juju @ 1.05! traded 1.08/2.07 for 1.05/3.09

 
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DexterDew said:
"Significantly more" ? Is your premise that McCaffrey is getting much more hype/love than Freeman? The two of the four DLF rankers have McCaffrey ahead of Freeman, and the other two has Freeman ahead.

Personally, I have McCaffrey ahead but on the same Tier and took him with my last devy pick (the 12th and last devy spot available) over Freeman because its PPR and 300 MORE yards of college production was a factor.

I think we all can agree a loaded RB class is coming and it won't be like this year where it's Zeke and the Pips. Chubb vs Fournette, or McCaffrey vs Freeman at this stage of the process is just preference. Another year of college, plus combine and NFL draft will help form the rankings... for now, it's just conjecture, nothing to worry about.
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Thats all I'm saying, I just can't see how I keep regularly seeing Mccaffrey as RB 12+, I'm not saying hes a world beater, but I am really impressed with what I have seen.

 
Xue said:
Define "better" and who is he better than?  I'm saying his production is causing people to overrated his "talent". In my eyes, he's the 5th most talented RB in his own conference behind SoSo Jamabo, Ronald Jones, Royce Freeman and Kalen Ballage.  The common college football viewer don't know who these 3 RBs are because they haven't produced as much as McCaffrey.

I think McCaffrey is more of 2nd rounder. In terms of "skill set", Sony Michel is very similar and no one seems to be as high on him. So why the disconnect?
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I've been high on Michel for some time now https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/683118-the-devy-draft-thread/?do=findComment&comment=18094927

I'm sure there's some posts from 4 or 5 years ago but anyway you mentioned that McCaffrey and Michel has the same skill set could you expand on that?

Tex

 
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Wisconsin HC Paul Chyrst indicated that he was pleased to see senior RB Corey Clement make it through all 15 spring practices without a health concern.
"I think that this was good for [Clement] to finish out. He was excited to be back and practicing and feeling healthy," Chyrst said. The 5-foot-11, 217-pound senior had himself a tumultuous 2015 season, lowlighted by a sports hernia at the end of August camp (that ultimately required surgery) and a citation for disorderly conduct in November. He actually changed his number from 6 to 24 this offseason, hoping that he could scrub clean the remnants of his previous being. As for his health, Clement said, "I think I just needed to get hit a little bit, run around, execute some blocks and just feel like football again." In a healthy 2014 campaign, Clement rushed for 949 yards (6.5 YPC) and nine touchdowns while backing up Melvin Gordon. 2016 should provide the largest workload of his collegiate career, assuming he can stay healthy and clear from the law.

 
 
Source: Associated Press 
May 15 - 2:59 PM
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Rivals recruiting director Mike Farrell noted that "n a down quarterback year, [Miami junior QB Brad] Kaaya is in a perfect spot to be a top 10 pick or even higher if he takes the next step in his development."





 







"The NFL loves starters from freshman year as they go through the bumps and bruises that prepare you for the NFL (see Jared Goff)," Farrell wrote. Left unsaid, that ups-and-downs become problematic when there are more downs than ups (see Christian Hackenberg). Hack began his collegiate career on fire before spending the next two seasons playing like a man who was literally on fire. For his part, Kaaya posted incredibly similar freshman and sophomore seasons in many statistical categories, though there is one oddity. He held a strong 26/12 TD/INT ratio in 2014. That dropped to just 16/5 last season -- despite the fact that Kaaya threw 11 more passes in 2015. Some of that can be chalked up to a dip in offensive talent around him. Regardless, it should be counted as a good sign that he cut back significantly on the interceptions.





 




 




Source: Rivals 




May 15 - 1:39 PM
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ESPN's Brandon Chatmon noted that Baylor redshirt junior RB Johnny Jefferson "could be ready for an exceptional season that earns all-conference honors."
 
Jefferson drew his fair share of buzz this spring and as Chatmon notes, he is listed on the depth chart alongside Shock Linwood as the No. 1 Bear back right now. "Jefferson had a stellar sophomore season," Chatmon wrote, "leading the Big 12 with a 7.35 yards-per-carry average, 54.4 percent of his carries resulting in five or more yards and an average of 5.45 yards before contact per carry." The 5-foot-10, 210-pounder finished with an even 1,000 yards and eight touchdowns last season. This, despite the fact that he received only 136 carries. Linwood is recovering from offseason foot surgery and while a Wally Pipping probably isn't in the cards, at the very least, Jefferson should receive more than 136 carries in 2016.

 
 
Source: ESPN.com 
May 15 - 1:15 PM
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DexterDew said:
i guess "talent" is pure measurable... what kind of athlete a player is vis a vis each other. McCaffrey is fast, quick, good hands and vision. Ran track in HS. Has great genes. And is white, which shouldn't matter but it does to some people. If he runs under 4.50 40 at the combine, he will be a 1st round pick.

Production needs to be a factor because it involves at least a modicum of "talent" to be productive.  McCaffrey got the ball a lot. There must be a reason the coaching staff felt he should be getting 380 touches, plus returns.  I think it is ridiculous to discount a player because of production and to a certain degree, usage.

I don't think anybody is saying he is the best RB prospect, but he is a 1st round talent (and the most productive/best RB in college)
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McCaffrey won't be a first round pick because he's smaller/not a tough inside runner/and his number will likely go down this year(no Josh Garnett). RB's his size haven't gone in the 1st round since Reggie Bush?

 
Maybe the pace (game) has changed?

how he tests at the combine and pro day will dictate if he goes in the first. I will not stereotype white rbs or WRs or black QBs. Numbers are color blind, both stats and measurables. 

 
DexterDew said:
Maybe the pace (game) has changed?

how he tests at the combine and pro day will dictate if he goes in the first. I will not stereotype white rbs or WRs or black QBs. Numbers are color blind, both stats and measurables. 
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To my knowledge there isn't a stereotype for white RBs other than that they are rarerly drafted appropriate to their value. Woodhead played D3 and shattered a ton of records and went undrafted. Hes easily a top 5 third down back in the NFL right now and has been for the last half decade. He was cut by the Jets before playing a game. Can discuss the relative value of a top 3rd down back and some JAG two down back who is one in a literal sea of dudes. But they are definitely a piece of value to a modern NFL offense - doing a disservice already relegating him to a purely third down role, he could easily pack on 15 lbs and his frame would be incredibly similar to David Johnsons - both just very evenly distributed.

If Mccaffrey was black we wouldn't be entertaining the notion that he wasn't a top 5 back, and yet here we are, comparing him to dudes who haven't played. Why? Because reasons...

Again, not saying he is markedly better than the big names right now, but we also got a year to go and I don't see how you have a dude who had a legitimate argument for the Heisman, and imo should have won it and hes regularly being tiered in at RB12+, #### off with that noise.

 
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DexterDew said:
Maybe the pace (game) has changed?

how he tests at the combine and pro day will dictate if he goes in the first. I will not stereotype white rbs or WRs or black QBs. Numbers are color blind, both stats and measurables. 
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I can understand not wanting to stereotype, but you can't overlook the fact that other than one fluke season from Hillis the last white feature back to be fantasy relevant was John Riggins. Now I can see him being a Woodhead type which certainly wouldn't be a bad thing, but I can't see him going to a team and bring THE guy.

 
DexterDew said:
His numbers will go down unless he breaks his record from last year, so that is not a very bold statement. 
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You could've asked for clarification. But I meant he won't be as efficient. Holes won't be as big and he tends to bounce everything when a clear lane isn't there.

201 lb RBs don't go in round one

 
200 pound backs can go in round one if they have elite wheels (Reggie Bush, Chris Johnson, CJ Spiller).

I think McCaffrey's versatility will appeal to teams, but I'm on the fence about his NFL outlook. I see him as more likely for rounds 2-4.

 
Run It Up said:
To my knowledge there isn't a stereotype for white RBs other than that they are rarerly drafted appropriate to their value. Woodhead played D3 and shattered a ton of records and went undrafted. Hes easily a top 5 third down back in the NFL right now and has been for the last half decade. He was cut by the Jets before playing a game. Can discuss the relative value of a top 3rd down back and some JAG two down back who is one in a literal sea of dudes. But they are definitely a piece of value to a modern NFL offense - doing a disservice already relegating him to a purely third down role, he could easily pack on 15 lbs and his frame would be incredibly similar to David Johnsons - both just very evenly distributed.

If Mccaffrey was black we wouldn't be entertaining the notion that he wasn't a top 5 back, and yet here we are, comparing him to dudes who haven't played. Why? Because reasons...

Again, not saying he is markedly better than the big names right now, but we also got a year to go and I don't see how you have a dude who had a legitimate argument for the Heisman, and imo should have won it and hes regularly being tiered in at RB12+, #### off with that noise.
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McCaffrey had the best season of any college football player ever including shattering Barry Sanders and Melvin Gordon's records. Even with Gordon having the monster season he did many people still believed that Gurley was a better "NFL" running back and Gordon is black. So it's about perspective really. Just because someone had monster numbers doesn't necessarily mean they are the fit for the "NFL" 

Do you think McCaffrey is a better "NFL" prospect than Barry Sander was?

IMHO, this hobby we're in is a little tricky. We have to be visionary in a sense, trying to predicting the future and how a player at the college level  will fit in the "NFL" is not easy. We have to be a visionary and some of our visions can be blurry whether it's because of race, metrics, or opinions this hobby is not easy to predict.

McCaffrey is not easy to peg because his productions says he was the best back in college in 2015 and even though he shattered Gordon's and Sanders records are we to believe he's going to be better than them at the "NFL" level?

Tex 

 
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EBF said:
200 pound backs can go in round one if they have elite wheels (Reggie Bush, Chris Johnson, CJ Spiller).

I think McCaffrey's versatility will appeal to teams, but I'm on the fence about his NFL outlook. I see him as more likely for rounds 2-4.
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Only 1 of that group(CJ) proved to be worth the selection. NFL teams are smart and investing in little RBs in round 1 isn't how they will win.

Now add in the context the 2017 RB class. Why take McCaffrey in round 1, when you can grab Marlon Mack in round 5 or 6?

 
Gordon is garbage. Opportunity is what has kept the white running back from prominence. Opportunity and ignorance.

 
USC junior WR JuJu Smith-Schuster checks in at No. 17 on Mel Kiper's Big Board.
"A prolific producer over two years at USC (143 catches) with a coveted combination of size and speed, Smith-Schuster isn't shy when it comes to delivering a blow or playing through contact. He is a fiery competitor," he wrote. "You'll get some Dez Bryant comparisons here." The 6-foot-2, 210-pounder will help to break in USC's new quarterback, whether that's Max Browne, Sam Darnold or Jalen Green.

 
 
Source: ESPN.com
May 16 - 7:59 PM
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