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RB Dalvin Cook, Free Agent (2 Viewers)
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This is concerning for his round 2 value. ADP has him going about 12-15. Just don't see who would vault him in RB rankings. McCaffrey? Devonta Freeman? Jordan Howard? Way too early for any of those guys in my opinion. If you are at the back end of the draft and want to come out with two RBs, I think a Gordon/Cook or Fournette/Cook combo could be dynamite.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
I was really liking him this year. Now it's making me a little nervous.
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Not worried. Guy is going to have a monster season.
Elevencents
Footballguy
Agree with all above. It’s all beat writer spinning what’s not even there. They are being elusive in their wording when there is no indication that Cook and Murray are going to split significant time. I see Cook getting a higher % distribution than most other teams.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Dont overthink what some beat writer says....if cook ia 100% hes carrying the load.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
He was pretty good around the GL last year. I don't think Cook is built like or runs like a GL back. I would be a bit worried. Cook is closer to the CMC/McKinnon group than he is the Hunt/Fournette group IMO.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
420 carries for the Vikes last year.
Murray was already destined for short yardage work, incl around the goal-line.
You are looking at a 60/40 split. Not a big deal if you like Dalvin.
Murray was already destined for short yardage work, incl around the goal-line.
You are looking at a 60/40 split. Not a big deal if you like Dalvin.
Elevencents
Footballguy
Really? Maybe it’s the rose colored glasses of my man crush but I wouldn’t hesitate to grab Cook if it were between those 3. Howard maaaaaybe in standard.
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flapgreen
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
I think it is a fair group of players. Howard has an advantage in standard because of his TD potential and Cook has the reception advantage in PPR. Again, Cook has played in 3.5 NFL games and it was when Murray was still recovering from an ankle injury and there is a new OC.
Elevencents
Footballguy
Again, could be my man crush but I wouldn’t give it a second glance if Cook and Freeman are both available.
- Freeman averaged ~14 carries a game to Cook’s ~19 (small sample size I know) and this was with McKinnon still there.
- Freeman had 5 above average weeks in my league; 2 were without Coleman. Cook was 2 out of 3 - injury game could have fallen on either side
- Coleman is >>>>>> to Murray and that is much more a 50/50 split in ATL with what I would expect to be a 65/35 split in Minny.
- Freeman has Arizona and Carolina (3 & 4 ranked on CBS) weeks 15/16 and Cook has Miami and Detroit (27/29).
I just foresee a lot more consistency with Cook than I do Freeman even though their ceilings may be comparable. Again, man crush bias PLUS Freeman single handedly cost me almost a thousand dollars d/t his week 15 performance, haha.
Now Gordon vs Cook OTOH - that I’m truly split on.
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Dr. Octopus
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flapgreen
Footballguy
I just like a guy who's done it before and not coming off a major injury. I think Freeman will return closer to 2 years ago than last year.
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Cook costs me a 16th round pick these next 2 years as a keeper. I also decided to trade Hunt away over Cook as I have a feeling that the Vikes offense is going to sing with Cousins. If Thompson can be a PPR AS with absolutely no between-the-tackles ability, imagine what Cook can do.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
It has.
Multiple Vikings suffered 'serious' injuries against Jacksonville
This is with Nick Easton also out for the season and also the loss of offensive line coach Tony Sparano.
I don't think Lang was going to make the cut anyways, but Andrews looked good in the first preseason game and good depth. Maybe he won't be out long though.
Remmers may play in the 3rd preseason game.Hill also should be back. Elflien is still on PUP.
In the meantime Aviante Collins has gotten the opportunity to shine and Cornelius Edison have looked pretty good although the Jaguars were a handful and created a lot of pressure. they were doing a good job of run blocking on some of the plays.
Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Well, I got Hopkins for Hunt so the choice was easy but they're interchangeable to me anyhow. ACL means little the first time around as young players heal fast and are usually stronger during the first recovery. Can't be scared off yet.
Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
Fair enough, I'm just afraid that Dalvin Cook might end up being injury prone. I really like the fact that Kareem Hunt played all 16 games last season.
Can't shake the old school mentality of avoiding an RB after an ACL tear. I know there's a higher chance he suffers another tear at this point.
Hope this works out for you but I definitely think you took a gamble shipping away the guy who played 16 games versus the guy coming off a severe injury.
Chaka
Footballguy
Chaka
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Elevencents
Footballguy
Well ####. The OLine injuries may be the tiebreaker for me between Cook and Gordon.
Chaka
Footballguy
Are you referring to my asking you, politely IMO, to not make light of domestic abuse in the Josh Gordon thread?
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
You also know Gordon has a strangle hold on RZ work. Say what you will about Murray but his success rate in the RZ last year probably didn't go unnoticed by Zimmer.
I'd pick Gordon and it's not even really close for me. I also don't think Gordon is as good as Cook but that's kind of irrelevant.
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Chaka
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I think it is fair to criticize me for the intellectual honesty comment because of my failure to expand on my original comment which left it open to misinterpretation.Not at all and I never made light of domestic abuse. You talk in other threads about being intellectually honest, but you then make a comment that alludes to Cooks injury being a result of workload "True. Then again that didn't work out to well for Cook.". Then when called out, you respond with "Lazy/weak/true". No it isn't true. He didn't tear an ACL due to his workload in 3.5 games and anyone with one once of intellectual honesty would have just admitted it.
If you can't follow that, I can't help you and will have to stop
The high usage didn't work out well for Cook that's true. I think the Vikings are aware of that and will spell him more this season than they did to start last season. So I see less usage for him in 2018 than he received in 2017.
He had 90 carries+targets in roughly 3 1/2 games which put him on a pace for (also roughly) 411 opportunities (~389 touches). I think that number comes down probably significantly. Particularly as Latavius played well in the second half of the season after he got over his leg injuries. It is also important (possibly) that the Vikings didn't really seem to miss a beat on the field going 11-3 without Dalvin (including playoffs).
I would project Dalvin for closer to 300 touches behind an offensive line that looks to have taken a step back (on paper).
Chaka
Footballguy
Comparing Josh Gordon supporters to abused domestic partners is making light of domestic abuse whether you realize it or not.Not at all and I never made light of domestic abuse. You talk in other threads about being intellectually honest, but you then make a comment that alludes to Cooks injury being a result of workload "True. Then again that didn't work out to well for Cook.". Then when called out, you respond with "Lazy/weak/true". No it isn't true. He didn't tear an ACL due to his workload in 3.5 games and anyone with one once of intellectual honesty would have just admitted it.
If you can't follow that, I can't help you and will have to stop
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Not it’s not true. An ACL tear is not a “high usage” injury. You’re aware that many players tear their ACLs in drills in camp right?
Guice just tore his on one of his first carries of the preseason.
Chaka
Footballguy
Fair enough. Cook had high usage and, in unrelated news, he suffered a knee injury.
Please cut/replace into my previous post.
I don't see a pace anywhere close to the 411 opportunities he was on pace for in 2017 and I think his efficiency will decline due to issues on tue offensive line.
Chaka
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Sure I said earlier in this thread Murray wasn’t healthy early in the season when Cook was seeing the backfield to himself. I anticipate Murray spelling Cook more than he and McKinnon did early last season, but he’s the better back by a fair margin and it wouldn’t concern me if I was in a position to draft him. Since I have pick 4 it’s pretty likely I won’t be.
Chaka
Footballguy
I am totally aware that the only thing anyone truly has control over is their response.
Now is defending comments that may (do) make light of domestic abuse a response you really want to plant your flag on?
Chaka
Footballguy
Cook is clearly the unquestioned lead back. I am just thinking his baseline for opportunities is closer to 300 then the pace he was on last season. I wouldn't be surprised if he hits 350 but I see that as his ceiling.
Chaka
Footballguy
Political correctness is nothing more than a dog whistle fake issue. It has nothing to do with making light of domestic abuse.
But you chose your response today, perhaps tomorrow you will chose a different response (or maybe I will).
LawFitz
Footballguy
In addition to Lat Murray, it appears the Vikes also now have a young Chris Ivory backing up Cook. He's not in Cook's class, but this kid runs HARD.
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1031224657645469696?s=09
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1031224657645469696?s=09
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I guess this is all relative.
I think the Vikings have better depth than they had last season and especially better depth than in 2016.
Cook was able to do his thing with what the Vikings had last season, and I don't think their offensive line is worse than last season. The depth looks better to me this year than last.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
No this isn't true. Everything you said to support this idea is also just in your head. It isn't how the coaches feel about it at all.
You are talking about a RB who averaged 25 touches per game at the college level and 24 touches per game at the NFL level. He has shown he can be productive with a high workload and that he has the talent to deserve a big workload.
His injury was non contact variety could have happened at any time. I don't see any relationship between the injury and Cooks workload.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Boone and Roc Thomas have been playing well behind this offensive line.
I think that bodes well for what Cook will be able to do.
Elevencents
Footballguy
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