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30 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

If she is convicted of perjury, she loses her clearances and her career.

No worries shes doing this for that GoFundMe money. 

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3 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Assuming she's lying, she voluntarily chose to lie under penalty of perjury. You're correct, she's not going to trial over it.  But do you understand the incredible risks involved?

Ummm yeah I understand how a security clearance works, what it means for a career, etc....  I'm not questioning her at all I'm just saying the fact she holds a clearance does not make her any more credible than any other person.  I know plenty of shady people that can get security clearances.  Also, it insinuates Ford should be doubted because she doesn't hold a clearance.  That's the point I'm making and made the other day.

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8 minutes ago, timschochet said:

I usually disagree with you quite strongly, but this is the most I've ever disagreed with you. IMO, you couldn't be more wrong.  She will have to fear death threats for years, probably for the rest of her life.  There are crazies out there that will absolutely blame her because Roe wasn't overturned, and will therefore hold her personally responsible for the murder of millions of innocent babies. She is making herself a target forever. I honestly don't know if I would have the courage to do what she's about to do.

No, if she is proven to be credible only a select few lunatics may act that way towards her.  Most will support her courage to come forward.

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1 minute ago, Don't Noonan said:

No, if she is proven to be credible only a select few lunatics may act that way towards her.  Most will support her courage to come forward.

Not sure how to keep restating this- it only takes one lunatic.

I wouldn't want ANY lunatics after me for the rest of my life. One single lunatic potentially hating my guts would be enough to change my behavior.  I am afraid of lunatics. 

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I think these accusations have jumped the shark

basicalky saying that he was a ringleader in a bunch of gang rapers where kids would line up outside of a bedroom while a train was run on some girl by multiple parties is a bridge way too far.....

for something like this to have occurred at a bunch of parties, you would expect there to be hundreds of witnesses, and dozens of victims.  Given all of the people that have come forward to vouch for BK’s character and the number af FBI background checks done previously, the probability that this latest round is accurate is ridiculously small.

if the FBI wants to have a look, have at it, but this should not delay the vote.  If HRC can run for President with a very serious FBI investigation under way, I believe that precedent has been set for this process to continue.  The alternative would be to hold all future nominations hostage to the wildest and most unlikely of allegations...

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6 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

never said it was 

You keep referring to guilty and innocent.  Nobody's going to be found guilty and nobody's going to be found innocent.

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50 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

I would say there are probably a number of reasons.

Chief among them, bringing these kind of accusations is really hard on someone's life right now.  In the early 80s, it was even more destructive. By a lot. Add in the fact that one of the kids she'd be accusing (Kavanaugh) was the child of a prosecutor (later judge) in the same county, and the fact that she was at a party full of underage drinking.  And she was a nerdy girl who was being allowed at popular kid parties.

We're talking about a girl who, while still in high school, was allowed into an internship at a major university to study laser holographic imaging in the late 70s.  And then was studying applied particle physics the next year.  It's not outrageous to think the slightest hint of impropriety would have derailed everything, at least in her mind.  

 

 

Ok, so she was the only one who knew? Noone else knew? Noone wanted to alert the police because of the underage drinking, I can see that.

None of these girls that were sexually abused had a brother, cousin, male friend that could be told by ANYONE?

I grew up in the 80s also. If this happened in my neck of the woods these dudes would've paid. Hard.

Am I wrong to assume that it wouldn't be like that in the next state over?

Forgive me, but I find that hard to believe.

 

Keep in mind that I really don't care if the seat on the court is filled by a D or an R.

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4 minutes ago, Mile High said:

No worries shes doing this for that GoFundMe money. 

It was all laid out in the Deep State Plan. Thanks Obama!

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47 minutes ago, Captain Cranks said:

Trump being interviewed now.  When asked if the three women are lying, "Next question." 

I thought he said "we are on to Cincinnatti."

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53 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

No, if she is proven to be credible only a select few lunatics may act that way towards her.  Most will support her courage to come forward.

Like the 63 million?

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1 minute ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

Ok, so she was the only one who knew? Noone else knew? Noone wanted to alert the police because of the underage drinking, I can see that.

None of these girls that were sexually abused had a brother, cousin, male friend that could be told by ANYONE?

I grew up in the 80s also. If this happened in my neck of the woods these dudes would've paid. Hard.

Am I wrong to assume that it wouldn't be like that in the next state over?

Forgive me, but I find that hard to believe.

 

Keep in mind that I really don't care if the seat on the court is filled by a D or an R.

I guess I don't know what you mean by "grew up in the 80s."

In 1982, a girl who was drunkenly taken advantage of by a group of prep school trust fund kids was known as a "slut" not a "rape victim."

 

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9 minutes ago, zoonation said:

my rights as a Canadian citizen?

Oops.   Carry on enjoying your delicious poutine, free health care and not having a national embarrassment leading your country.  

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4 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Not sure how to keep restating this- it only takes one lunatic.

I wouldn't want ANY lunatics after me for the rest of my life. One single lunatic potentially hating my guts would be enough to change my behavior.  I am afraid of lunatics. 

Understood.  I wouldn't either.  Some people may be okay with the tradeoff of fame and fortune.

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4 minutes ago, TobiasFunke said:

I discussed a possible explanation in this post. I grew up about midway between the two high schools and have lived in the area for most of my life so I have a decent feel for the dynamics at play.

I missed that post of yours so thanks for linking it. It isn't a school of thought I can relate to, but I don't dismiss it as out of left field. 

And just to be clear again, I wasn't arguing why she didnt report it to police. My threshold for what I would report to police has changed quite a bit in recent times so my thoughts on that matter have changed drastically. 

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3 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

I grew up in the 80s also. If this happened in my neck of the woods these dudes would've paid. Hard.

You have some prosecutions in your area to cite, I assume.

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1 minute ago, -fish- said:

Oops.   Carry on enjoying your delicious poutine, free health care and not having a national embarrassment leading your country.  

*Cough eyebrowgate *cough

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3 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

I guess I don't know what you mean by "grew up in the 80s."

In 1982, a girl who was drunkenly taken advantage of by a group of prep school trust fund kids was known as a "slut" not a "rape victim."

 

Ok, so she was the only one who knew? Noone else knew? Noone wanted to alert the police because of the underage drinking, I can see that.

None of these girls that were sexually abused had a brother, cousin, male friend that could be told by ANYONE?

????

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3 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

Understood.  I wouldn't either.  Some people may be okay with the tradeoff of fame and fortune.

Fame and fortune?  Is that what you think Ford's angle is?  

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Haven’t been able to follow since Avanetti news broke.  Did they flush this turd yet?

Edited by Mr. Ham

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40 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

I see now he has affirmed what you are saying. My view on the matter was different. Here is what I was about to post in reply to you, which is obviously not the point he was making(god bless the show replies feature).

I find it discussion worthy why a 19-20 year old girl would continue to go to high school parties that had regular gang rapes by the same guys. This isn't like the situation where one time it happened and nobody said anything. That is well documented. This isn't a situation where we are talking about a gang of bandits or a street gang that has female members that get raped but stay in the gang. That kind of stuff is also documented. So definitely not credibility destroying information, but worthy of discussion nonetheless since it isn't something that falls into a bucket of common victim behavior, since she wasn't a victim at that time. 

 

Until it happened to her perhaps she thought those girls were willing participants in disgusting behavior.  She may not have understood the force or coercion aspect, or truly appreciated the inebriation of those young women. She may have looked down on them, but may have thought it would never be her since she was not that kind of girl.  Only after happening to her, perhaps, did she realize what was going on.  Perhaps.  I am only speculating since you invited it, not that I am advocating the position. 

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6 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

Ok, so she was the only one who knew? Noone else knew? Noone wanted to alert the police because of the underage drinking, I can see that.

None of these girls that were sexually abused had a brother, cousin, male friend that could be told by ANYONE?

I grew up in the 80s also. If this happened in my neck of the woods these dudes would've paid. Hard.

Am I wrong to assume that it wouldn't be like that in the next state over?

Forgive me, but I find that hard to believe.

 

Keep in mind that I really don't care if the seat on the court is filled by a D or an R.

I'm sure an investigation would settle all the concerns that you have.  I agree that if this happened, there are many more people out there who would know about it.  That is why you investigate.

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Just now, Cowboysfan8 said:

Ok, so she was the only one who knew? Noone else knew? Noone wanted to alert the police because of the underage drinking, I can see that.

None of these girls that were sexually abused had a brother, cousin, male friend that could be told by ANYONE?

????

Are you unaware of all of the sexual assault scandals that we've found out about recently?  Jerry Sandusky?  Catholic priests?  Female gymnasts?  

How can you be so incredulous? 

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1 minute ago, tommyGunZ said:

Fame and fortune?  Is that what you think Ford's angle is?  

"Golddigga!"

/theusualsuspects

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7 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

Why?  Do you know of a legit way to bet?

If you are serious about betting I'm sure more than one person here would take you up on it.  Which is why I asked you how much, if it's worth my time I'd be in.

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1 minute ago, zoonation said:

I'm sure an investigation would settle all the concerns that you have.  I agree that if this happened, there are many more people out there who would know about it.  That is why you investigate.

So, investigate away. I'm all for it

 

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Just now, Ditkaless Wonders said:

Until it happened to her perhaps she thought those girls were willing participants in disgusting behavior.  She may have looked down on them, but may have thought it would never be her since she was not that kind of girl.  Only after happening to her, perhaps, did she realize what was going on.  Perhaps.  I am only speculating since you invited it, not that I am advocating the position. 

We are all speculating. That's pretty much what we do here. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Mr. Ham said:

Haven’t been able to follow since Avanetti news broke.  Did they drop this turd yet?

Nope.  and Flake just gave terrible speech on the floor basically confirming that he is voting to confirm.

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Just now, zoonation said:

Nope.  and Flake just gave terrible speech on the floor basically confirming that he is voting to confirm.

of course he did.  Flake is a coward.

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2 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

So, investigate away. I'm all for it

 

Nice.  So are the women.  you know who isn't?  the GOP and Brett.

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50 minutes ago, GoBirds said:
54 minutes ago, zoonation said:

what percentage chance do you think there is that these women, who have called for an FBI investigation and issued sworn statements that, if false, could end their career, are participating in a political stall static that will completely upend their lives?  2%?  5%?

Appointing this man in the face of these allegations is insanity.

If you really think it's only 2-5% then you have your blinders on because it serves your political motives.

I haven't read all this, but found it posted elsewhere today. I'll put it here since it has to do with false rape accusations. https://qz.com/980766/the-truth-about-false-rape-accusations/

The 2 things I did notice were that there are far fewer rape convictions overtuned due to false claims than murder convictions, and that almost half of all  false rape charges are filed by someone other than the victim (typicallly a parent of a girl).

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just how many men and women need to come forward with these allegations before GOPers will believe them?

Edited by Jobber

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5 minutes ago, tommyGunZ said:

Are you unaware of all of the sexual assault scandals that we've found out about recently?  Jerry Sandusky?  Catholic priests?  Female gymnasts?  

How can you be so incredulous? 

These weren't kids when these alleged incidents took place. They were 17-18 years old. 

Guys were lining up outside a door waiting to take turns on a drunk girl and noone did anything? At 10 different parties??

Its hard to believe, that's all

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1 minute ago, Jobber said:

just how many men and women need to come forward with these allegations before GOPers will believe them?

I'm not sure VHS video footage would do it at this point.  

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7 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

Ok, so she was the only one who knew? Noone else knew? Noone wanted to alert the police because of the underage drinking, I can see that.

None of these girls that were sexually abused had a brother, cousin, male friend that could be told by ANYONE?

????

Again, what we're talking about wasn't widely called "rape" or "sexual abuse" by a lot of people.  Even when Judge's girlfriend says he told her about it, he didn't think it was rape.  And that was years later.  

Told them what?  "Dude, I saw your sister take on the whole Georgetown Prep Senior Class at a party last night after she was so drunk she couldn't stand up"?

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1 minute ago, Jobber said:

just how many men and women need to come forward with these allegations before GOPers will believe them?

Something that doesn’t fall apart under scrutiny would help...

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2 minutes ago, Jobber said:

just how many men and women need to come forward with these allegations before GOPers will believe them?

It's not about belief. GOP are legitimately okay with enabling/protecting rapists within their own ranks.

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6 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

So, investigate away. I'm all for it

 

I think this is where most of us are at this point. Yet it doesn't appear that's going to happen. And that seems like a serious abandonment of responsibility on the part of the committee. How can we all see that an investigation is necessary, but they are adamant about not demanding one?

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Just now, Henry Ford said:

Again, what we're talking about wasn't widely called "rape" or "sexual abuse" by a lot of people.  Even when Judge's girlfriend says he told her about it, he didn't think it was rape.  And that was years later.  

Told them what?  "Dude, I saw your sister take on the whole Georgetown Prep Senior Class at a party last night after she was so drunk she couldn't stand up"?

How about " dude, these guys got your sister so drink she passed out then the whole senior class took turns on her"

You wouldn't have said anything? Cmon

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Just now, Rove! said:

Something that doesn’t fall apart under scrutiny would help...

"scrutiny"?  wouldn't that require an investigation of some sort?  Or arm chair conjecture good enough?

two separate women have now claimed that there was gang rape culture.  Judge's ex and this new woman.  That alone should be enough to go digging.  You know, to scrutinize the claims.

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2 minutes ago, Rove! said:

Something that doesn’t fall apart under scrutiny would help...

I'll put you down as "favors FBI investigation into all 3 accusations" then.

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30 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

Really? C'mon...this is how you know you are too deep and in information overload mode.  Thus my comment.  I'm not trolling, fishing, anything.  The sun will come up tomorrow no matter the outcome of this random Supreme Court justice nomination process during a really weird time in our history.  We need Yankee23 to drop some historical perspective.  This is a serious issue, absolutely, but I'm only reacting to what sounds like someone approaching the edge of a nervous breakdown.  I'm not poking, making fun, or anything of the sort.  If you find your hands shaking and you can't type about any news event that you have zero control of, I advise you take a step back.

I humbly request you read Pages 174 and 175 of this thread.  If you have a few extra minutes.

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15 minutes ago, fatness said:
18 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

I grew up in the 80s also. If this happened in my neck of the woods these dudes would've paid. Hard.

You have some prosecutions in your area to cite, I assume.

Hoping you'll answer this.

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3 minutes ago, proninja said:

If a famous movie producer was really doing that, someone would have said something

If a famous comedian was really doing that, someone would have said something

If a famous tv star was really doing that, someone would have said something

If a priest was really doing that, someone would have said something

If a football coach was really doing that, someone would have said something

If a US national team doctor was really doing that, someone would have said something

You can believe that these guys did this at party after party after party.... Lined up and took turns on passed out women...and PEOPLE WERE THERE AND KNEW ABOUT IT AND DIDNT SAY ANYTHING TO ANYONE EVER if you want.

Obviously you do.

Im not saying it didn't happen. I find it hard to believe. That's all

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