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​ 🏛️ ​Official Supreme Court nomination thread - Amy Coney Barrett (7 Viewers)

Dude, Democrats were opposing anyone Trump nominated.  This isn't very difficult.  Playing games by having suppossed sexual assault victims magically appear at the 12th hour shows how desperate they are.  Clown show.
Remember when you reported me for calling trump supporters “dumb” and I got banned for a week?  That was cool.  

Anyway, this is a really bad post.  It contains lies (the accusers starting coming forward before the nomination, for example), minimizes sexual assault claims and insults alleged victims by assuming they are politically motivated. Not gonna report you, but you should consider editing it.

 
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In response to Lindsey Graham's incredulity, I present to you an excellent explanation from the memoir of Lindsey Graham.
This is interesting to me.  I won't get much into it, but I'm familiar with Mitchell.  Assuming she's still doing the questioning (i've been swamped at work all day and am not up to speed on any current events), she's an interesting choice to me because I would characterize her as a "true believer" prosecutor who does go to bat for sexual assault victims.  She's called a particular blind witness in many sexual assault cases to establish and explain that a sexual assault victim isn't likely to immediately report, may bury certain details, etc.  

 
you guys honestly think this is some lefty conspiracy? come on, the dude is a dirt bag, probably why your dear leader likes him so much......odd how Neil G was squeaky clean and was confirmed easily.....
The guy has passed FVI background checks and has had a lot of people come and vouch for his character

first accuser has zero corroboration from anybody.  Even her best friend has no recollection of the incident.  Plus we have loads of exculpatory evidence.

Second accuser has no corroboration and people living in the dorm say it never happened and she is not even going to testify...NYT and WaPo declined to publish because there was not enough there

Avenatti accuser has allegations that are too ridiculous to pass the laugh test, again with no corroboration and NYT found no evidence to support the absurd claims.

now we have an anonymous claim of something...

 
Anyone who was skeptical of Ford because she was a lone accuser feel like issuing any revised statements?
Pretty sure the revised statement is that this is obviously a coordinated attack.  Apparently the only true sexual assault allegations have precisely two alleged victims.  No more, no less.

 
Anyone who was skeptical of Ford because she was a lone accuser feel like issuing any revised statements?
I gave you a like for this, but just to add on, the fact that several other people have come forward with similar stories should really seal this thing.  This is why it's not a good idea to rush to judgement, because nobody ever does something like this just once.

 
The guy has passed FVI background checks and has had a lot of people come and vouch for his character

first accuser has zero corroboration from anybody.  Even her best friend has no recollection of the incident.  Plus we have loads of exculpatory evidence.

Second accuser has no corroboration and people living in the dorm say it never happened and she is not even going to testify...NYT and WaPo declined to publish because there was not enough there

Avenatti accuser has allegations that are too ridiculous to pass the laugh test, again with no corroboration and NYT found no evidence to support the absurd claims.

now we have an anonymous claim of something...
You are wrong about the corroboration with the first two (backed by contemporaneous or later corroboration all made before Kavanaugh was nominated) and I believe Avenatti claims to have corroboration. Also Ramirez has requested to be allowed to testify but that has been denied by Republicans. And this latest anonymous claim will probably be named sooner if not later (if it is similar to the prior three) but I doubt that will make any difference to you, no more than if a half dozen more women came forward publically.

 
There really are some bad people right here on this board. Good lord. Obviously sexual abuse has not touched their lives directly, yet. If the are unfortunate enough to have it happen to a loved one, I really hope they are not dismissed and harassed like they seem so comfortable doing to others.

 
over 60 of BKs high school friends have signed a letter saying that they never heard of this Avenatti accuser.

also, she is more than two years older than Kavanaugh, so I doubt they were at too many high school parties together, unless BK organized his gang raping group at a young age....but in my experience, Frosch and sophomore people didn’t get invites to many senior parties....

 
Ford's prepared Written Testimony - submitted tonight:

Chairman Grassley, Ranking Member Feinstein, Members of the Committee. My name is
Christine Blasey Ford. I am a Professor of Psychology at Palo Alto University and a Research
Psychologist at the Stanford University School of Medicine.

I was an undergraduate at the University of North Carolina and earned my degree in
Experimental Psychology in 1988. I received a Master’s degree in 1991 in Clinical Psychology
from Pepperdine University. In 1996, I received a PhD in Educational Psychology from the
University of Southern California. I earned a Master’s degree in Epidemiology from the Stanford
University School of Medicine in 2009.

I have been married to Russell Ford since 2002 and we have two children.

I am here today not because I want to be. I am terrified. I am here because I believe it is
my civic duty to tell you what happened to me while Brett Kavanaugh and I were in high school.
I have described the events publicly before. I summarized them in my letter to Ranking Member
Feinstein, and again in my letter to Chairman Grassley. I understand and appreciate the importance
of your hearing from me directly about what happened to me and the impact it has had on my life
and on my family.

I grew up in the suburbs of Washington, D.C. I attended the Holton-Arms School in
Bethesda, Maryland, from 1980 to 1984. Holton-Arms is an all-girls school that opened in 1901.
During my time at the school, girls at Holton-Arms frequently met and became friendly with boys
from all-boys schools in the area, including Landon School, Georgetown Prep, Gonzaga High

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School, country clubs, and other places where kids and their families socialized. This is how I met
Brett Kavanaugh, the boy who sexually assaulted me.

In my freshman and sophomore school years, when I was 14 and 15 years old, my group
of friends intersected with Brett and his friends for a short period of time. I had been friendly with
a classmate of Brett’s for a short time during my freshman year, and it was through that connection
that I attended a number of parties that Brett also attended. We did not know each other well, but
I knew him and he knew me. In the summer of 1982, like most summers, I spent almost every day
at the Columbia Country Club in Chevy Chase, Maryland swimming and practicing diving.

One evening that summer, after a day of swimming at the club, I attended a small gathering
at a house in the Chevy Chase/Bethesda area. There were four boys I remember being there: Brett
Kavanaugh, Mark Judge, P.J. Smyth, and one other boy whose name I cannot recall. I remember
my friend Leland Ingham attending. I do not remember all of the details of how that gathering
came together, but like many that summer, it was almost surely a spur of the moment gathering. I
truly wish I could provide detailed answers to all of the questions that have been and will be asked
about how I got to the party, where it took place, and so forth. I don’t have all the answers, and I
don’t remember as much as I would like to. But the details about that night that bring me here
today are ones I will never forget. They have been seared into my memory and have haunted me
episodically as an adult.
When I got to the small gathering, people were drinking beer in a small living room on the
first floor of the house. I drank one beer that evening. Brett and Mark were visibly drunk. Early
in the evening, I went up a narrow set of stairs leading from the living room to a second floor to
use the bathroom. When I got to the top of the stairs, I was pushed from behind into a bedroom.
I couldn’t see who pushed me. Brett and Mark came into the bedroom and locked the door behind

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them. There was music already playing in the bedroom. It was turned up louder by either Brett
or Mark once we were in the room. I was pushed onto the bed and Brett got on top of me. He
began running his hands over my body and grinding his hips into me. I yelled, hoping someone
downstairs might hear me, and tried to get away from him, but his weight was heavy. Brett groped
me and tried to take off my clothes. He had a hard time because he was so drunk, and because I
was wearing a one-piece bathing suit under my clothes. I believed he was going to rape me. I
tried to yell for help. When I did, Brett put his hand over my mouth to stop me from screaming.
This was what terrified me the most, and has had the most lasting impact on my life. It was hard
for me to breathe, and I thought that Brett was accidentally going to kill me. Both Brett and Mark
were drunkenly laughing during the attack. They both seemed to be having a good time. Mark
was urging Brett on, although at times he told Brett to stop. A couple of times I made eye contact
with Mark and thought he might try to help me, but he did not.

During this assault, Mark came over and jumped on the bed twice while Brett was on top
of me. The last time he did this, we toppled over and Brett was no longer on top of me. I was able
to get up and run out of the room. Directly across from the bedroom was a small bathroom. I ran
inside the bathroom and locked the door. I heard Brett and Mark leave the bedroom laughing and
loudly walk down the narrow stairs, pin-balling off the walls on the way down. I waited and when
I did not hear them come back up the stairs, I left the bathroom, ran down the stairs, through the
living room, and left the house. I remember being on the street and feeling an enormous sense of
relief that I had escaped from the house and that Brett and Mark were not coming after me.

Brett’s assault on me drastically altered my life. For a very long time, I was too afraid and
ashamed to tell anyone the details. I did not want to tell my parents that I, at age 15, was in a house
without any parents present, drinking beer with boys. I tried to convince myself that because Brett

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did not rape me, I should be able to move on and just pretend that it had never happened. Over
the years, I told very few friends that I had this traumatic experience. I told my husband before
we were married that I had experienced a sexual assault. I had never told the details to anyone
until May 2012, during a couples counseling session. The reason this came up in counseling is
that my husband and I had completed an extensive remodel of our home, and I insisted on a second
front door, an idea that he and others disagreed with and could not understand. In explaining why
I wanted to have a second front door, I described the assault in detail. I recall saying that the boy
who assaulted me could someday be on the U.S. Supreme Court and spoke a bit about his
background. My husband recalls that I named my attacker as Brett Kavanaugh.

After that May 2012 therapy session, I did my best to suppress memories of the assault
because recounting the details caused me to relive the experience, and caused panic attacks and
anxiety. Occasionally I would discuss the assault in individual therapy, but talking about it caused
me to relive the trauma, so I tried not to think about it or discuss it. But over the years, I went
through periods where I thought about Brett’s attack. I confided in some close friends that I had
an experience with sexual assault. Occasionally I stated that my assailant was a prominent lawyer
or judge but I did not use his name. I do not recall each person I spoke to about Brett’s assault,
and some friends have reminded me of these conversations since the publication of The
Washington Post story on September 16, 2018. But until July 2018, I had never named Mr.
Kavanaugh as my attacker outside of therapy.

This all changed in early July 2018. I saw press reports stating that Brett Kavanaugh was
on the “short list” of potential Supreme Court nominees. I thought it was my civic duty to relay
the information I had about Mr. Kavanaugh’s conduct so that those considering his potential
nomination would know about the assault.

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On July 6, 2018, I had a sense of urgency to relay the information to the Senate and the
President as soon as possible before a nominee was selected. I called my congressional
representative and let her receptionist know that someone on the President’s shortlist had attacked
me. I also sent a message to The Washington Post’s confidential tip line. I did not use my name,
but I provided the names of Brett Kavanaugh and Mark Judge. I stated that Mr. Kavanaugh had
assaulted me in the 1980s in Maryland. This was an extremely hard thing for me to do, but I felt
I couldn’t NOT do it. Over the next two days, I told a couple of close friends on the beach in
California that Mr. Kavanaugh had sexually assaulted me. I was conflicted about whether to speak
out.

On July 9, 2018, I received a call from the office of Congresswoman Anna Eshoo after Mr.
Kavanaugh had become the nominee. I met with her staff on July 11 and with her on July 13,
describing the assault and discussing my fear about coming forward. Later, we discussed the
possibility of sending a letter to Ranking Member Feinstein, who is one of my state’s Senators,
describing what occurred. My understanding is that Representative Eshoo’s office delivered a
copy of my letter to Senator Feinstein’s office on July 30, 2018. The letter included my name, but
requested that the letter be kept confidential.

My hope was that providing the information confidentially would be sufficient to allow the
Senate to consider Mr. Kavanaugh’s serious misconduct without having to make myself, my
family, or anyone’s family vulnerable to the personal attacks and invasions of privacy we have
faced since my name became public. In a letter on August 31, 2018, Senator Feinstein wrote that
she would not share the letter without my consent. I greatly appreciated this commitment. All
sexual assault victims should be able to decide for themselves whether their private experience is
made public.

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As the hearing date got closer, I struggled with a terrible choice: Do I share the facts with
the Senate and put myself and my family in the public spotlight? Or do I preserve our privacy and
allow the Senate to make its decision on Mr. Kavanaugh’s nomination without knowing the full
truth about his past behavior?

I agonized daily with this decision throughout August and early September 2018. The
sense of duty that motivated me to reach out confidentially to The Washington Post, Representative
Eshoo’s office, and Senator Feinstein’s office was always there, but my fears of the consequences
of speaking out started to increase.

During August 2018, the press reported that Mr. Kavanaugh’s confirmation was virtually
certain. His allies painted him as a champion of women’s rights and empowerment. I believed
that if I came forward, my voice would be drowned out by a chorus of powerful supporters. By
the time of the confirmation hearings, I had resigned myself to remaining quiet and letting the
Committee and the Senate make their decision without knowing what Mr. Kavanaugh had done to
me.

Once the press started reporting on the existence of the letter I had sent to Senator Feinstein,
I faced mounting pressure. Reporters appeared at my home and at my job demanding information
about this letter, including in the presence of my graduate students. They called my boss and co-
workers and left me many messages, making it clear that my name would inevitably be released
to the media. I decided to speak out publicly to a journalist who had responded to the tip I had
sent to The Washington Post and who had gained my trust. It was important to me to describe the
details of the assault in my own words.

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Since September 16, the date of The Washington Post story, I have experienced an
outpouring of support from people in every state of this country. Thousands of people who have
had their lives dramatically altered by sexual violence have reached out to share their own
experiences with me and have thanked me for coming forward. We have received tremendous
support from friends and our community.

At the same time, my greatest fears have been realized – and the reality has been far worse
than what I expected. My family and I have been the target of constant harassment and death
threats. I have been called the most vile and hateful names imaginable. These messages, while
far fewer than the expressions of support, have been terrifying to receive and have rocked me to
my core. People have posted my personal information on the internet. This has resulted in
additional emails, calls, and threats. My family and I were forced to move out of our home. Since
September 16, my family and I have been living in various secure locales, with guards. This past
Tuesday evening, my work email account was hacked and messages were sent out supposedly
recanting my description of the sexual assault.

Apart from the assault itself, these last couple of weeks have been the hardest of my life. I
have had to relive my trauma in front of the entire world, and have seen my life picked apart by
people on television, in the media, and in this body who have never met me or spoken with me. I
have been accused of acting out of partisan political motives. Those who say that do not know
me. I am a fiercely independent person and I am no one’s pawn. My motivation in coming forward
was to provide the facts about how Mr. Kavanaugh’s actions have damaged my life, so that you
can take that into serious consideration as you make your decision about how to proceed. It is not
my responsibility to determine whether Mr. Kavanaugh deserves to sit on the Supreme Court. My
responsibility is to tell the truth.

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I understand that the Majority has hired a professional prosecutor to ask me some questions,
and I am committed to doing my very best to answer them. At the same time, because the
Committee Members will be judging my credibility, I hope to be able to engage directly with each
of you.

At this point, I will do my best to answer your questions.
 
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over 60 of BKs high school friends have signed a letter saying that they never heard of this Avenatti accuser.

also, she is more than two years older than Kavanaugh, so I doubt they were at too many high school parties together, unless BK organized his gang raping group at a young age....but in my experience, Frosch and sophomore people didn’t get invites to many senior parties....
That is not how this crowd rolled.  

 
You are wrong about the corroboration with the first two (backed by contemporaneous or later corroboration all made before Kavanaugh was nominated) and I believe Avenatti claims to have corroboration. Also Ramirez has requested to be allowed to testify but that has been denied by Republicans. And this latest anonymous claim will probably be named sooner if not later (if it is similar to the prior three) but I doubt that will make any difference to you, no more than if a half dozen more women came forward publically.
No contemporaneous collaboration

 
The guy has passed FVI background checks and has had a lot of people come and vouch for his character

first accuser has zero corroboration from anybody.  Even her best friend has no recollection of the incident.  Plus we have loads of exculpatory evidence.

Second accuser has no corroboration and people living in the dorm say it never happened and she is not even going to testify...NYT and WaPo declined to publish because there was not enough there

Avenatti accuser has allegations that are too ridiculous to pass the laugh test, again with no corroboration and NYT found no evidence to support the absurd claims.

now we have an anonymous claim of something...
I'm curious:  Is the earth spherical or flat?   How old do you believe it is?

 
Just put up Barrett and be done with it.  That's what Trump should have done in the first place, and she has an easy path to confirmation after this fiasco.
You think so? 

Putting aside the time crunch issue, she’s vocally anti Roe vs Wade. How can Collins and Murkowski vote for her? 

 
You are wrong about the corroboration with the first two (backed by contemporaneous or later corroboration all made before Kavanaugh was nominated) and I believe Avenatti claims to have corroboration. Also Ramirez has requested to be allowed to testify but that has been denied by Republicans. And this latest anonymous claim will probably be named sooner if not later (if it is similar to the prior three) but I doubt that will make any difference to you, no more than if a half dozen more women came forward publically.
Squiz, how many actual accusers are there right now, is it 3 or 4?

 
The guy has passed FVI background checks and has had a lot of people come and vouch for his character

first accuser has zero corroboration from anybody.  Even her best friend has no recollection of the incident.  Plus we have loads of exculpatory evidence.

Second accuser has no corroboration and people living in the dorm say it never happened and she is not even going to testify...NYT and WaPo declined to publish because there was not enough there

Avenatti accuser has allegations that are too ridiculous to pass the laugh test, again with no corroboration and NYT found no evidence to support the absurd claims.

now we have an anonymous claim of something...
What exculpatory evidence?

 
Barrett is more conservative than any judge I can think of who’s been nominated. I think it would be a big fight no matter what happens here. 

 
Barrett is more conservative than any judge I can think of who’s been nominated. I think it would be a big fight no matter what happens here. 
And less of a fight now.  There is massive pressure on the GOP to get a solidly right-wing judge confirmed.  Their hand-picked guy just flamed out for being a misogynistic rapist.  It's going to be kind of hard to transition to a narrative about the next woman being too Christian.

Edit: Also, either this vote will occur after the GOP retains the senate in which case the pressure is off, or it will occur under a lame-duke senate in which case there will be massive pressure to confirm whoever the nominee is.  They might still confirm a sexual predator because they think they have no choice.  Barrett is an easy decision by comparison.

 
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Just put up Barrett and be done with it.  That's what Trump should have done in the first place, and she has an easy path to confirmation after this fiasco.
A standard-issue Republican would have done exactly that.  At least, a Republican President who didn’t need to hand-pick a SCOTUS Justice to defend him when he tries to fire a Special Counsel investigating him and everyone in his life.

 
Any father of girls should be terrified that at any time, any boy can sexually assault their daughter, and ruin their lives.
Any parent should be terrified that their child could have their lives ruined by other people.  Posting anything specific to one side and leaving out the other is partisan bull#### and really shouldn't be tolerated on this board.

Not singling you out GB Sinn Fein......

 
It sounds like they picked the right person

id rather have an experienced prosecutor than some shill or some stupid politician asking the questions 
Yes....god forbid the politicians be smart enough to do their jobs.  This whole "special prosecutor" thing is simply cowardly.

 
over 60 of BKs high school friends have signed a letter saying that they never heard of this Avenatti accuser.

also, she is more than two years older than Kavanaugh, so I doubt they were at too many high school parties together, unless BK organized his gang raping group at a young age....but in my experience, Frosch and sophomore people didn’t get invites to many senior parties....
Lol.  You can’t be serious.  How do you explain away Judge’s ex reports about the gang rapes?

 
And less of a fight now.  There is massive pressure on the GOP to get a solidly right-wing judge confirmed.  Their hand-picked guy just flamed out for being a misogynistic rapist.  It's going to be kind of hard to transition to a narrative about the next woman being to Christian.
Collins and Murkowski have said they will not vote for someone that will overturn Roe v. Wade.   Barrett isn't going to be a slam dunk.   They need to choose someone less polarizing.

 
What exculpatory evidence?
Ford:

The calendars

60 plus character withesses

all of the people named by Ford have no recollection of an event like this happening, even her best friend

inconsistencies

Avenatti accuser:

over 60 witnesses who were aware of BK social interactions have no idea who she is

extraordinary claims that would dictate the existence of extraordinary evidence of which there is none

Ramirez:

numerous witnesses who say that no such event occurrred

in each case there is loads of exculpatory evidence far outweighing claims where the accuser stands alone

 
over 60 of BKs high school friends have signed a letter saying that they never heard of this Avenatti accuser.

also, she is more than two years older than Kavanaugh, so I doubt they were at too many high school parties together, unless BK organized his gang raping group at a young age....but in my experience, Frosch and sophomore people didn’t get invites to many senior parties....
Really 60...or how many of those end up being fake and ask to have their names removed (like previous letters of the sort)?

 
Ford:

The calendars

60 plus character withesses

all of the people named by Ford have no recollection of an event like this happening, even her best friend

inconsistencies

Avenatti accuser:

over 60 witnesses who were aware of BK social interactions have no idea who she is

extraordinary claims that would dictate the existence of extraordinary evidence of which there is none

Ramirez:

numerous witnesses who say that no such event occurrred

in each case there is loads of exculpatory evidence far outweighing claims where the accuser stands alone
All this demonstrates is that you don't know what exculpatory evidence is.

 

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