From the little part of the hearing I caught this morning, I believe this was the intent. There’s apparently a bunch of documents that are marked as confidential for no good reason and this was one example.
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Sweet J
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Well, one reason to do it is to show that if they are claiming privilege over something as innocuous as this, who KNOWS what is in the tens of thousands of documents that are being kept from the public. Let's see the documents!
Henry Ford
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That's significantly different than Kasowitz in general - if he spoke with someone in the DC office, he should remember it. But they have 197 lawyers in New York, where he is.
Sweet J
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Workhorse
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For our entire history, being caught in a bald-faced lie like this would disqualify a Supreme Court nominee. Unfortunately, we don't live in a country where that matters anymore for the Republican Party.
unckeyherb
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ericttspikes
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Not the only time he's lied to Congress either. Which is a crime. A judge who committed a few known crimes appointed by a criminal president seems about right. The fact that a president under investigation for conspiracy even gets to nominate his own judge is ludicrous, yet here we are.
Badly phrased questions. Badly phrased answers. At least they both came off better than the protesters.
sn0mm1s
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The questions aren't badly phrased - they were phrased and rephrased a dozen times. Kavanaugh was just refusing to answer.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Very poorly phrased question as well as being combative and accusatory without her seeming to appreciate how poorly phrased was her question. As for his answer, I was fine with it, though I would hope a Justice could articulate the simple conundrum posed by the poor form of the question much better than did he. As for the protestors, is there no dress code for these things?
Ditkaless Wonders
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They were phrased in the conjunctive with an undefined term. They were very poorly phrased unless ones intent in phrasing them was to be combative and to not get an answer. They were not quite on a par with "when did you stop beating your wife?", but close.
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Dedfin
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Yeah, I don't think any of the liberals/progressives and traditional conservatives on this board will find any middle ground with regarding this guy. Kavanaugh is a traditional conservative's sliver lining. The traditional conservatives and libertarians here may dislike Trump and many of his policies, but they love Gorsuch and they love Kavanaugh. This is why they put up with so much crap from Trump. There is no way they are going to allow themselves to see negatives here.
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Sweet J
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If they were intended to make him look like a big fat liar liar, they were successful.
Sabertooth
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Does the Supreme Court lose legitimacy if (when) Cavanaugh is eventually appointed? I think it does. Kangaroo court.
Sweet J
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Sabertooth
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Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
In 1873 President Grant nominated George Henry Williams for the Supreme Court. His nomination got bogged down in scandal because it was rumored and then proven that he lied about using federal monies to purchase a new carriage for his wife to travel around town. The kicker was that records also showed that he actually paid the money back and only did it because there was a bank panic that year and his bank wouldn't honor any paper checks during the panic unless they were government funds.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
That's it for me. In my opinion that is disqualifying. And I would like to see him impeached from his current position.
Yankee23Fan
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The Court survived Franklin Roosevelt. It will be fine with one member nominated by a President that owns several banana slicers that he bought on credit and then filed bankruptcy to avoid paying.
He didn’t refuse to answer. He answered that he wasn’t sure. He explained why he wasn’t sure (in a socially awkward way that may have signaled guilt but IMO people are overconfident about reading such signals) and she pretended not to get the obvious point that “Did you talk to anyone in Group X?” is impossible to answer when you don’t know who’s in Group X. His mannerisms were all wrong, but if she had the goods on him, she sure didn’t show it. And if she didn’t have the goods on him, her faux gotcha nonsense was just annoying.
Ditkaless Wonders
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I could see a partisan finding him obstructionist in his refusal to answer, but liar would be going too far from the clip that was posted. Now she clearly implied that he was, but she clearly did not understand the import of her poor phrasing and she never backed her implications.
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Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Christ: One of you will betray me.
Peter: No...
Christ: Judas!
Judas: WHAT?!?!
Christ.... try the wine, it's delightful.
Sweet J
Footballguy
Oh, I have no idea whether or not the man is lying. But he sure did act like a kid with a mouthful of Oreos telling his mom that he's not sure what she means when she asked him where "all" the cookies went.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
This is, to me, far more troubling. I tend to agree that his lack of candor (being kind) in this matter should be disqualifying. I am not certain it is grounds for impeachment, though there certainly have been many efforts to make similar actions grounds for impeachment in the past with other officials. I think th second is still an open question, though for me I would not have officials lie to congress without consequences, even as congress lies to us without them. I want standards and consequences in line with what the Constitution allows, explicitly or implicitly.
Henry Ford
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Lying to Congress during a confirmation hearing should be an impeachable offense in my opinion. Full stop.
Ditkaless Wonders
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Ditkaless Wonders
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unckeyherb
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Rove!
Footballguy
Lying to Congress can’t be a crime, because if it was then Clapper, Brennan, Sessions, Comey and Hillary Clinton would have all been indicted....
Stealthycat
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I think since rules are being broken and choas reigns .... they should stop the hearings and vote Kavanugh in right now right or wrong, legal or not
Why stop with what Booker did? Why stop with simple chaos and arrests? Just go full blown and break every rule and every law until one side comes out on top
There are reasons for law and order ... why do the Democrats feel they can break it to get their way ? maybe its time Republicans do it too - and hard
Why stop with what Booker did? Why stop with simple chaos and arrests? Just go full blown and break every rule and every law until one side comes out on top
There are reasons for law and order ... why do the Democrats feel they can break it to get their way ? maybe its time Republicans do it too - and hard
Henry Ford
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GroveDiesel
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Does anyone have the exact question asked of him and his exact answer? I think we've seen enough of this circus that I'd like to think we are at least all on the same page as far as making sure that the question asked of him and his answer were referring to the same thing as this email from him.
Mario Kart
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Wow, impeach a president and impeach a Supreme Court Justice. What are the odds on those? Fracking shame the Republican Party turned into. AND, Republicans are okay with it.
Workhorse
Footballguy
Yeah, you may want to find another hill to die on.
Grassley’s office says Booker and Hirono didn’t break the rules by releasing committee confidential documents about Kavanaugh; the GOP contends those documents were cleared for release before 4am today.
Mario Kart
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GroveDiesel
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TobiasFunke
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Has the whole world gone CRAZY? IS STEALTHYCAT THE ONLY ONE AROUND HERE WHO GIVES A #### ABOUT THE RULES?! MARK IT ZERO!
unckeyherb
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Stealthycat
Footballguy
this hearing is a mockery for the system that's in place - if ya'll can't agree to that, that the chaos and mass confusion is so far overboard ..... then you're justifying any means necessary to get the end result you want (no Kavanugh)
and if you realize that, than you would have to expect the GOP to do the same
and when both sides are full on war, breaking laws and violating everything we stand on as a country .... then where will we be at ?
and if you realize that, than you would have to expect the GOP to do the same
and when both sides are full on war, breaking laws and violating everything we stand on as a country .... then where will we be at ?
Rove!
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sn0mm1s
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Henry Ford
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That's from this hearing set.
This is from 2006: https://apnews.com/26222be147d94bbab527c2f1bc4fe4c3
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Workhorse
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That's the "sheesh"? Not Cornyn threatening Booker not to release them?
Read between the lines here: The Republicans were bluffing that calling these "confidential" was somehow legally binding. Booker called their bluff and they sheepishly backed down and Grassley just tried to save face.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
It isn't. I said anyone who lies to Congress during a confirmation hearing should be impeached. But I'm good with all of those.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Better than where we're at now with only one side doing it?
Sorry but you don't get to shove the board game off the table, storm out of the kitchen, burn the house to the ground, and then pull out the instructions and insist that we abide by all the rules. You burned it down, you get to wallow here in the resulting chaos with the rest of us.
Stealthycat
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Democrats have to start bracing for the point when the GOP starts attacking hard - legally and illegally. The left cannot continue to break laws and bully and hate and create chaos ...eventually there will be equal or more retaliation
Just seems to me everything has been thrown out the window with the chaotic hearings, the scheduled protesting, the interruptions, the arrests, this Booker deal, the release of op-ed yesterday .........
what's next? a force removal of Trump by a military faction ? civil war ?
Workhorse
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Sweet J
Footballguy
amen. This, weirdly, has become the most important issue for me. That, and his weird (that may be perfectly innocent) reaction to KH's questioning.
