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​ 🏛️ ​Official Supreme Court nomination thread - Amy Coney Barrett (3 Viewers)

Johnnymac said:
But if Trump was elected illegitimately, his appointments should become null & void.  When we are talking about a lifetime appointment to the highest court in this country, choices that can change this country dramatically over the next 30-40 years, no way should they be allowed to stay on the court!
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Or, if the people he appointed had any morals, they would save the country time and resources and resign. But, in the recent past, many Republicans have demonstrated zero morals or care for the country... so, don't hold your breath.

 
sn0mm1s said:
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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I chose it carefully. I'm referring to the idea that Democrats should get their revenge on Republicans not by following proper legal and constitutional procedures, but by taking things into their own hands, using self-help to extract their pound of flesh through procedurally improper means that they themselves would have criticized just a short time ago.

 
If what the Republicans did to Garland was wrong -- and I very much think it was -- the appropriate response isn't to try to do something just as wrong in return. It's to use whatever constitutional remedies are available to redress the situation. That certainly includes pointing out incumbent Republicans' egregious wrongdoing during their reelection campaigns. I'm not sure what else it can include (I'm open to creative ideas), but it does not include impeaching duly confirmed judges for purely partisan reasons. People should go watch a Charles Bronson movie to get that urge out of their system.
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Yeah, because that really worked the last few elections. Pointing out the obstruction and hypocritical nature of the right sure did make a difference.

If one party rigs the system in its favor by gerrymandering, the appropriate response by the other party is to prohibit gerrymandering -- not to gerrymander even more egregiously in its own favor.
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Yeah, because all that work trying to get rid of gerrymandering is going swimmingly. No, the proper response is to take control of the House during the census year and purge the cancer that is plaguing the country.

If one party suppresses the vote among demographics unfavorable to it, the appropriate response by the other party is to make it harder to suppress votes -- not to start muffling the other sides's voters as soon as it gets the chance.
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Oh.. you mean we need *more* Constitutional Amendments to prevent the cheating. 

If one party uses unethical means to tilt the court in its own favor, I don't know the exact appropriate response -- that's a hard one -- but I'm pretty confident that it's not to engage in court-packing. That way lies spiraling offense against our Constitution. The first thing Democrats should do when they have enough power is to prohibit any President from embiggening the Supreme Court beyond its current number. Fix the maximum number of seats at nine. They should feel free as well to require an up-or-down vote on nominations after they are made. Both might require constitutional amendments, but that doesn't seem impossible.
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C'mon... you think adding to the Constitution is even remotely possible? States are effectively gerrymandered by design. You have red states with the populations of no-name cities in California. You aren't getting 3/4 of the states to agree on anything. Super majorities of Congress and 3/4 of states have to agree? NFW.

I'm fully on board with granting statehood to DC and Puerto Rico, but that's based on the merits of doing so, not based on partisan gamesmanship. I'd be in favor of it just the same if they were likely to vote Republican. Puerto Rico would be the 29th largest of the 51 states (by population) if it were included. Washington DC is significantly smaller than Puerto Rico, but it is still bigger than Vermont or Wyoming. If Wyoming gets two Senators and a (voting) Representative, Washington DC should as well.
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At least we agree on that. Maybe after getting 3000+ people killed by this administration they will come to their senses and become a state.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
I chose it carefully. I'm referring to the idea that Democrats should get their revenge on Republicans not by following proper legal and constitutional procedures, but by taking things into their own hands, using self-help to extract their pound of flesh through procedurally improper means that they themselves would have criticized just a short time ago.
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Everything the reds have been doing is legal (aside from the stuff Mueller has turned over - which seemingly go unnoticed by those in power). Gerrymandering, court stacking, obstruction, impeachment etc. etc. etc. are neither illegal nor procedurally improper. Redressing innumerable wrongs within the confines of the law isn't vigilantism.

 
Johnnymac said:
But if Trump was elected illegitimately, his appointments should become null & void.  When we are talking about a lifetime appointment to the highest court in this country, choices that can change this country dramatically over the next 30-40 years, no way should they be allowed to stay on the court!
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That is far more likely to happen to Obama so watch what you wish for. 

 
Dedfin said:
History is littered with civilizations that were pacifists. There are thousands of these cultures that we've never heard of, nor will because they were swallowed up and/or destroyed by those that fight. It's not just MT, but many others that don't want the Democrats to fight. Well, I think they should and it sounds like you think they should too, for the same reason as those long dead civilizations should have. Those that are fighting for positive change in the universe tend to break the rules, because it is those that fight for positive change are without power. Those that support status quo and following rules in the context of fighting for positive change tend to be for those that are in power and that oppress people. It's always been like this and will be for a long time after we are all dead.
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When are people going to get it?  It freakin baffles me.  They don't fight because they are paid not to.  Why else would dems vote for bank deregulation and to give more money to the military under Trump.  Why does over 60% of the people want Medicare for all but we don't have it?  Corporate money, this is why.  Grow up and face the truth.

 
Qanon said:
That is far more likely to happen to Obama so watch what you wish for. 
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What the #### are you talking about. You believe this stuff? Why are you allowed to post here. If a poster in the Shark Pool spammed a "don't draft Gurley, he tore both his ACL's this summer" lie in every thread for months they'd surely be banned. 

I get that people like knocking the stuffing out of you in your Q thread but you contribute nothing to the conversation here but weird vague conspiracy bull####. 

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
I'm strongly against political vigilantism -- two eyes for each eye in an ever-escalating cycle of destruction. One of the main benefits of having laws is the prevention of spiraling violence, and the same general principle should apply to non-violent (political) feuds. If each side is always trying to one-up the other side's wrongs (of course, they are just trying to equalize the wrongs in their own view, but escalating them in their opponents' view) we just end up with a whole lot of wrong, wrong, wrong.

Using laws to redress such grievances is much preferable to using vigilantism.

If what the Republicans did to Garland was wrong -- and I very much think it was -- the appropriate response isn't to try to do something just as wrong in return. It's to use whatever constitutional remedies are available to redress the situation. That certainly includes pointing out incumbent Republicans' egregious wrongdoing during their reelection campaigns. I'm not sure what else it can include (I'm open to creative ideas), but it does not include impeaching duly confirmed judges for purely partisan reasons. People should go watch a Charles Bronson movie to get that urge out of their system.

When the law doesn't effectively prohibit a given type of wrongdoing, I think members of the aggrieved political party should work on solving the problem by fixing the law -- not by taking their turn at flouting the principle that, just five minutes ago, they purported to cherish.

If one party rigs the system in its favor by gerrymandering, the appropriate response by the other party is to prohibit gerrymandering -- not to gerrymander even more egregiously in its own favor.

If one party suppresses the vote among demographics unfavorable to it, the appropriate response by the other party is to make it harder to suppress votes -- not to start muffling the other sides's voters as soon as it gets the chance.

If one party uses unethical means to tilt the court in its own favor, I don't know the exactly appropriate response -- that's a hard one -- but I'm pretty confident that it's not to engage in court-packing. That way lies spiraling offense against sane and orderly government. The first thing Democrats should do when they have enough power is to prohibit any President from embiggening the Supreme Court beyond its current number. Fix the maximum number of seats at nine. They should also feel free to require an up-or-down vote on nominations after they are made. Both might require constitutional amendments, but that doesn't seem impossible.

I'm fully on board with granting statehood to DC and Puerto Rico, but that's based on the merits of doing so, not based on partisan gamesmanship. I'd be in favor of it just the same if they were likely to vote Republican. Puerto Rico would be the 29th largest of the 51 states (by population) if it were included. Washington DC is significantly smaller than Puerto Rico, but it is still bigger than Vermont or Wyoming. If Wyoming gets two Senators and a (voting) Representative, Washington DC should as well.
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I disagree with a lot of your opinions here but I do appreciate the fact that you usually provide solid arguments for your line of thinking.

 
sn0mm1s said:
If the Dems ever get 2/3 of the Senate then, IMO, it is a sane electorate giving them a super majority to correct the wrongs of the past. Which includes removing Gorsuch and/or Kavanaugh (removal of Kavanaugh is assuming Trump conspired with Russia - otherwise Kavanaugh is a legitimate selection and should remain). Personally, I would allow them to stay, however I would recommend adding 2 more justices to the SC and attempt to get statehood approved for DC and Puerto Rico.
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Removing Gorsuch and Kavanaugh? Assuming Trump conspired with Russia?

C'mon man.

It is fine to hate Trump because of his personality or his policies, but at some point you people have to let go of this Russia fetish. It puts you in the Q category of conspiracy theorists.  

 
sn0mm1s said:
If the Dems ever get 2/3 of the Senate then, IMO, it is a sane electorate giving them a super majority to correct the wrongs of the past. Which includes removing Gorsuch and/or Kavanaugh (removal of Kavanaugh is assuming Trump conspired with Russia - otherwise Kavanaugh is a legitimate selection and should remain). Personally, I would allow them to stay, however I would recommend adding 2 more justices to the SC and attempt to get statehood approved for DC and Puerto Rico.
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We can hope!

 
NFL2DF said:
Removing Gorsuch and Kavanaugh? Assuming Trump conspired with Russia?

C'mon man.

It is fine to hate Trump because of his personality or his policies, but at some point you people have to let go of this Russia fetish. It puts you in the Q category of conspiracy theorists.  
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There is literally more evidence for Russia collusion/conspiracy than anything you have ever posted on this board. 

 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
Sure it is.  Gorsuch was put on the Bench by either a) an illegitimate blocking of Obama's appointment, or b) through the legitimate exercise of pure political power.

If it's a) Dems are ethically/morally justified in removing him.  If it's b) then removing him is justified at whatever point they have the pure political power to do it.
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Uh, no.

 
NFL2DF said:
Removing Gorsuch and Kavanaugh? Assuming Trump conspired with Russia?

C'mon man.

It is fine to hate Trump because of his personality or his policies, but at some point you people have to let go of this Russia fetish. It puts you in the Q category of conspiracy theorists.  
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Oh yeah Comrade, smear that caviar all over my body...

 
JohnnyU said:
That simply isn't going to happen.  First, there isn't crap on Trump as in the way of proof and there probably won't be.  Second, even if he was removed from office his SCOTUS appontees wouldn't be removed as well.  That I do know.
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Oh, there's crap on Trump.  Plenty of it.

 
Qanon said:
As far as I am concerned none of Elena Kagan, Sonia Sotomayor, Ruth Bader Ginsburg or Stephen Breyer should be on the court. Means absolutely nothing because they are.

Did you hear that  Ruth Bader Ginsburg responded to Cory Booker. She said "I knew Spartacus and you Mr. Booker are no Spartacus". 
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Why shouldn’t they be on the court?

 
This is the Irish Catholic seat on the US Supreme Court.  Cut out all the BS grandstanding and confirm our man.  My people are growing restless.   

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
What the #### are you talking about. You believe this stuff? Why are you allowed to post here. If a poster in the Shark Pool spammed a "don't draft Gurley, he tore both his ACL's this summer" lie in every thread for months they'd surely be banned. 

I get that people like knocking the stuffing out of you in your Q thread but you contribute nothing to the conversation here but weird vague conspiracy bull####. 
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But Gurley really did. He's running on robotic implants. I heard it on the internet and believe it 100%.

 
Senate Democrats Have Referred A Secret Letter About Brett Kavanaugh To The FBI

BuzzFeed News contacted the woman believed to be the subject of the letter at her home last week. She declined to comment. BuzzFeed News has not been able to confirm the contents of the letter.

The lawyer believed to be representing the woman was seen leaving Capitol Hill Wednesday evening shortly after the Intercept story dropped and just as Judiciary Committee Democrats were huddling in the Senate lobby. The lawyer, Debra Katz has not confirmed that she is representing the woman. She also declined to comment Wednesday, saying “there’s nothing to say.”
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Sinn Fein said:
I am going to guess this is not about a pubic hair on a coke...
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I love it when people use their avatar to demonstrate their radical fringe views. 

How do you feel about the Democratic Socialists of America (your avatar) threatening to shoot up an event full of Trump supporters at the Trump Hotel in DC?

Do you support violence against political opponents?

Do you support domestic terrorists?

 
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Qanon said:
Is Sinn Fein active again or are they still playing nice with England?
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Sinn Fein is fine - and the IRA is currently in remission.  But, Brexit, and how to deal with the Irish border may bring out the troubles again.  A hard border, would start to alienate people again, and go against the Good Friday Accord.  A soft border, would, in many ways, defeat one of the purposes of Brexit.

Ironically, Brexit has a much better chance of unifying Ireland than the IRA's tactics.

 
-fish- said:
Interesting conclusion given the fact that you have no clue what the contents of the letter contain or why it was given to the FBI.
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The rumor mill has it that this is something about Kavanaugh's relationship with a woman in high school.  Obviously the FBI isn't going to go anywhere with this if that's the case.

 
NFL2DF said:
I love it when people use their avatar to demonstrate their radical fringe views. 

How do you feel about the Democratic Socialists of America (your avatar) threatening to shoot up an event full of Trump supporters at the Trump Hotel in DC?

Do you support violence against political opponents?

Do you support domestic terrorists?
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Plaid shirt guy is now a domestic terrorist?   

 
Twittersphere is suggesting its a "transporting minors across state lines for sex" issue.

Without more, that really feels like a hail mary.  If the early reports are this involves a girl when they were both in high school - he attended Georgetown Prep - so taking a girl to Virginia/Maryland to have sex would seem to be a fairly innocuous offense - not to mention, a bit dated.

But, given that the Dems would need to throw a hail mary at this point, I guess I could not rule it out.

 
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