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Bernie just tweeted his support for the pending California legislation which would effectively allow the state's D1 scholarship athletes to make money, contrary to NCAA rules. His followers (I don't know if people following him are more likely supporters or opponents; how does that usually work?) were a little perturbed about him upsetting their, uh, traditionalist thoughts on this issue.

 
Could a Bernie supporter or non supporter tell me his stand on never ending wars and on bringing our troops home.  Will he just be a mouth piece saying what people like me want to hear and then just go back to business as usual bombing the crap out of people.

 
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rustycolts said:
Could a Bernie supporter or non supporter tell me his stand on never ending wars and on bringing our troops home.  Will he just be a mouth piece saying what people like me want to hear and then just go back to business as usual bombing the crap out of people.
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Bernie has been pretty firmly anti-war over the years. He voted against the Gulf War in '91, voted against the Iraq War in '02, and co-sponsored a bill to end US involvement in the Saudi Arabia / Yemen war (which Trump ultimately vetoed). 

 
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30mBernie Sanders has quietly parted ways with Iowa political director, via @WaPoSean .  This follows the shake up of his NH operations over the weekend.

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That can't be a good sign.

 
rustycolts said:
Could a Bernie supporter or non supporter tell me his stand on never ending wars and on bringing our troops home.  Will he just be a mouth piece saying what people like me want to hear and then just go back to business as usual bombing the crap out of people.
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Bernie is likely our only hope to avoid military industrial complex business as usual (assuming Tulsi doesn't pull out some massive surge in the ranks)

 
Many of Sen. Bernie Sanders biggest donors in 2016 have turned away from the Vermont senator during his 2020 campaign for president, contributing instead to the campaign efforts of Sen. Elizabeth Warren and other Democratic candidates.

Nearly 200 financial contributors who gave Sanders $1,000 or more in 2016 have not donated to his campaign this time around; instead, they have switched allegiance and poured tens of thousands into Warren’s campaign coffers, VTDigger has found in an analysis of campaign finance documents. 
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Any Bernie Bros left on this site? 

 
Max Power said:
I don't see the same passion as 2016.  Bernie will continue to fade IMO.
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No - he is toast.  The supporters here either don't see it, or don't want to see it.  But he has been done for some time - in terms of ability to get the nomination.  

He had a sluggers chance in a two-person race in 2016, but never had a realistic shot in a large field.  

 
Sinn Fein said:
No - he is toast.  The supporters here either don't see it, or don't want to see it.  But he has been done for some time - in terms of ability to get the nomination.  

He had a sluggers chance in a two-person race in 2016, but never had a realistic shot in a large field.  
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He'd need a major gaffe from Warren. He's not the populist he once was, he doesn't feel outside the establishment and he's not the best Progressive.
I was a bit of a Bernie Bro in 2016 (gave a few hundred), but am off the bus for 2020.

 
Gawain said:
He'd need a major gaffe from Warren. He's not the populist he once was, he doesn't feel outside the establishment and he's not the best Progressive.
I was a bit of a Bernie Bro in 2016 (gave a few hundred), but am off the bus for 2020.
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I think some people forget that Warren was a preferred candidate in 2016 - she just never got in.

So, to see her as more popular than Bernie is not a surprise.  

And, for all that Bernie did - he never did learn, or chose not to, play nice with the DNC.  That makes it much harder to show he can and will build coalitions.

 
Bernie never should have played nice with Warren. She isn’t like him, she’s a fake , a fraud. She didn’t back Bern his socialist agenda in 2016, she stood with Clinton

 
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Sean Sullivan @WaPoSean 2m

Just in, per his campaign: @BernieSanders "experienced some chest discomfort" yesterday. The campaign said that "following medical evaluation and testing he was found to have a blockage in one artery and two stents were successfully inserted."

I hope he recovers fully.  But, I think this might be the beginning of the end for Bernie.  He has been a good voice on many, many issues. 

 
Sinn Fein said:
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Sean Sullivan @WaPoSean 2m

Just in, per his campaign: @BernieSanders "experienced some chest discomfort" yesterday. The campaign said that "following medical evaluation and testing he was found to have a blockage in one artery and two stents were successfully inserted."

I hope he recovers fully.  But, I think this might be the beginning of the end for Bernie.  He has been a good voice on many, many issues. 
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Not a fan of his policies but hope he gets feeling better. :(

 
hagmania said:
Maybe not for Bernie's campaign. I think it's a good sign he may play nicely and coalesce earlier than anticipated.

I'm a yuge Bernie fan. I think this country could use a yank to the far left for a minute. Get a little taste of civilized life.
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I do think he gets behind Warren at some point.

 
cap'n grunge said:
That's not a good sign.
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I think its a combination of factors.  First, is Sanders' immediate health - that should be his priority right now.  Second, what is the longer-term prognosis - i.e. what is the impact of campaigning 24/7 on his health?  Third, but not insignificant, a 78-yo with a heart problem is going to raise questions from many voters - I think the campaign has to be honest with itself about how that plays into chances of getting the nomination.

Clearly they are coming off a huge fund-raising quarter, so this is not a welcome development for the campaign.  But, it is the reality that they have to deal with.

 
Max Power said:
Any Bernie Bros left on this site? 
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His passion and framing of certain issues like our industrial war complex and wealth inequality - and the fact that he gives a damn about people - are still admirable and I would have no trouble voting for him.  I don't agree with him on several things but he's brought many issues to the forefront and those are either now somewhat mainstream within the Democratic party or at least discussed.  He's become a caricature of himself at this point in some ways, but he's still the most genuine guy running.  He's also too old and doesn't have the charm/charisma that we typically see in POTUS wannabees.

 
toshiba said:
Huge Bernie supporter and primary voter in 2016. He changed the platform for my party for the better.  Time to get behind Warren, she’s the best chance to get his views into the presidency.
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I'm just about where you are, but I can't quit Bernie's unvarnished character and his ability to clearly see the major problems facing our country/society now and in the future.

 
AAABatteries said:
He's also too old and doesn't have the charm/charisma that we typically see in POTUS wannabees.
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I agree with most of what you wrote, but I have to pick nits about the lack of charisma. When he speaks clearly and forcefully about the need to reign in the power of large corporations he is as charismatic as anyone.

The problem is, it's his only move. Like a pitcher with a great fastball but no off speed pitch.

 
Sinn Fein said:
I think its a combination of factors.  First, is Sanders' immediate health - that should be his priority right now.  Second, what is the longer-term prognosis - i.e. what is the impact of campaigning 24/7 on his health?  Third, but not insignificant, a 78-yo with a heart problem is going to raise questions from many voters - I think the campaign has to be honest with itself about how that plays into chances of getting the nomination.

Clearly they are coming off a huge fund-raising quarter, so this is not a welcome development for the campaign.  But, it is the reality that they have to deal with.
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I’m a huge Bernie fan, but this is a deal breaker for me. I wish him a full and speedy recovery, but I am nervous how this heart issue will affect him when combined with the stresses of being POTUS

 
Gr00vus said:
I'm just about where you are, but I can't quit Bernie's unvarnished character and his ability to clearly see the major problems facing our country/society now and in the future.
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He can still be an influential force in politics without being President

Oh, and Michael Savage being the beacon of class is saying on the radio that he’s glad Bernie had a heart issue and hopes he gets buried in a cemetery in Russia. 

 
Murph said:
I agree with most of what you wrote, but I have to pick nits about the lack of charisma. When he speaks clearly and forcefully about the need to reign in the power of large corporations he is as charismatic as anyone.

The problem is, it's his only move. Like a pitcher with a great fastball but no off speed pitch.
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He speaks with authority and is (frequently) not wrong on framing issues, IMO, but I've never found him really charismatic.  But that's just MO.

 
Dickies said:
I’m a huge Bernie fan, but this is a deal breaker for me. I wish him a full and speedy recovery, but I am nervous how this heart issue will affect him when combined with the stresses of being POTUS
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Why? If something happens to him in office it's likely he has Liz as his VP. In that case she steps in, and you get someone closer to the status quo that you prefer anyway.

 
I'm a physician, and it's not a big deal.  Laborers get stents and go back to work  

But the perception may really kill support enough that he can't win.

 
ShamrockPride said:
Why? If something happens to him in office it's likely he has Liz as his VP. In that case she steps in, and you get someone closer to the status quo that you prefer anyway.
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I'd rather just vote for a healthy Liz.  I like both of them about equally without factoring in health.  He had his chance, and I'm just not seeing the same energy behind him that there was in the past

 
Dickies said:
I'd rather just vote for a healthy Liz.  I like both of them about equally without factoring in health.  He had his chance, and I'm just not seeing the same energy behind him that there was in the past
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:mellow: That may have something to do with his heart not getting the blood it needed.....

 
toshiba said:
Huge Bernie supporter and primary voter in 2016. He changed the platform for my party for the better.  Time to get behind Warren, she’s the best chance to get his views into the presidency.
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He hasn't changed the platform much at all.  He has brought some key issues back into the conversation but the party is still by and large being run by the corporate elite.

 
A  Sanders-Warren ticket would be way too narrow--- Two seventy-something progressive New Englanders.

Actually came in here, though, to mention that the Sanders campaign has confirmed that he will participate in the October 15 debate.

 
Just Win Baby said:
78 year old laborers?
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Well no, there aren't many 78 year old laborers.  And I don't expect Bernie to do a lot of hard labor.  That's the point.  Laborers can go back to laboring.  Bernie can go back to being a politician, which is obviously much less strenuous.  Even at 78.  

 
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