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Bernie Sanders HQ! *A decent human being. (5 Viewers)
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PIK95
Footballguy
I do.
I wish more liberals would embrace the virtues of competition. A guy like Sanders who rails against corporate power should logically be advocating for more competition, not less.
The_Man
Footballguy
Yeah, this is the Bad Bernie. Self-righteous and sure he always knows best (not to mention always connecting every woe in the world to big business, even when the connection is tenuous).
Hopefully we'll see more of the Good Bernie on the campaign trail.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
Bernie's full announcement speech, if you're into that sort of thing. Attendance of about 5,000. I just RSVP'd to Bernie's Minnesota campaign kickoff event this Sunday.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
I'm about to quit holding out hope for James Webb throwing his hat into the ring.
Love this guy.
Love this guy.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
I don't have much of a problem with this quote, but I think it is a bad phrasing of his argument. I didn't take this to be an argument against choice or competition so much as a statement of: "we care more about promoting corporations, consumerism, energy companies, etc. than we do supporting our own citizens and protecting our natural resources for ourselves and our future." I feel like his references to sneaker and deodorant variety are a somewhat quick and lazy analogy for the way that we've been calculating economic success in our country, namely, "the economy must be doing great, look at all of the #### we make and what regular people can buy!" That's great, and that's, to some degree, what modern America is founded on. However, we need to realize that there are other important metrics that we should care about and that are not served by our current view of economic success. I don't know, maybe I'm reading too much into a bad soundbite.
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timschochet
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Since Jeffrey Goldberg declared that Barack Obama is the "first Jewish President", that would make Bernie the second one.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
My political daydream is Webb/Sanders ticket where Bernie is made the Grand Poobah of domestic policy (with lots of leeway) while Webb deals with the rest of planet Earth. Alas, the "two white guys" ticket is about to go the way of the way of the dodo bird, but as long as Elizabeth Warren chooses to sit on her hands we could have one last hurrah.
Dr Oadi
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BigSteelThrill
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Rove!
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Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
Webb will get very few minority votes with positions like this, and that alone guarantees he won't win the Democrat primary given the increasing Democrat minority vote vs. the decreasing Democrat white vote.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
How are Hillary and Bill supposed to justify the "end of welfare as we know it"? That can be forgotten, but this op-ed cannot?
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Rove!
Footballguy
I'd compare Sanders' twisted writing more to how the Clinton team treated people like Kathleen Willey, Paula Jones, Juanita Broaderick, Monica Lewinsky and numerous others....
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Dr Oadi
Footballguy
You would expect writings about fantasies about abused beaten and raped women from the party who wages war on women.Petty dirt diggers
SaintsInDome2006
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The Commish
Footballguy
Typically, they are busy removing her foot from her mouth, but since she isn't talking much, they have little to do at the moment
SaintsInDome2006
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mcintyre1
Footballguy
If neither Jezebel or National Review are worried about this essay, then I'm not too concerned. Does remind of the playbook for nullifying Ron Paul, though.
I tend to agree with Jezebel's take on it: that of a terrible stream of consciousness essay on feminism and how the (necessary) shaking off of traditional gender roles by women may foster sexual resentment. It's pretty pretentious, rambling, and more than a bit confusing (something I wouldn't absolve Sanders of entirely today, even), but I'll be surprised if it sinks him unless his opponents are able to keep talk only to those first three lines of the essay and not the following lines of talk on the importance of feminism.
EDIT: I'll also add that there's no way in my mind this wasn't Hillary's people digging it up. The right has no reason to attack him yet.
I tend to agree with Jezebel's take on it: that of a terrible stream of consciousness essay on feminism and how the (necessary) shaking off of traditional gender roles by women may foster sexual resentment. It's pretty pretentious, rambling, and more than a bit confusing (something I wouldn't absolve Sanders of entirely today, even), but I'll be surprised if it sinks him unless his opponents are able to keep talk only to those first three lines of the essay and not the following lines of talk on the importance of feminism.
EDIT: I'll also add that there's no way in my mind this wasn't Hillary's people digging it up. The right has no reason to attack him yet.
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The Commish
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Genuine question....is anyone suggesting it WASN'T Hillary's people? To me, it was funny they went all the way back to the 70s. Should be clear to anyone what the motive of the "researchers" was.
Between this and the return to the 90% top tax rate, I'd say we have finally located a major political figure actually more stupid about economics than Barack (ATM) Obama.
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BigSteelThrill
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That's not dumb economics. Though some may want to state its unfair.
He says that 1/10th of 1% own 90% of everything. They should pay the taxes. Not everyone else fighting for the final 10%.
timschochet
Footballguy
Yeah, I would be extremely surprised if Hillary's people had anything to do with this. Why should she be scared of Bernie Sanders?
Rove!
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
He was afraid of the Democrats, not necessarily McGovern. But are you asserting that Hillary is the same kind of political paranoid figure Nixon was? Because there's nothing in her history to indicate that.
Exactly. Hillary and Nixon are pretty much interchangeable on ethics, policy, and paranoia. And that's not a good thing.
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BigSteelThrill
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timschochet
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Of course they are.
Dr Oadi
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timschochet
Footballguy
Well that proves it. Everybody goes crazy about that 18 year old quote. The funny thing is she was right. There was a right wing conspiracy to get her husband and it was vast. He was accused of smuggling drugs out of Mena Arkansas, murdering Vince Foater, rape, and other assorted crimes. Witnesses were bought and paid for by conservative newspapers at the time and videos documenting his supposed wrongdoings were peddled on conservative talk shows. That's what she was talking about, and she assumed that Lewinsky was part of that. She was wrong about that part,but not about the conspiracy itself.Dr Oadi said:
Jack White
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Jack White
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timschochet
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actually no. I don't think he was good on policy. I think he was great on policy. One of our best in modern times in fact.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
This was an alternative tabloid, old paper, from when Bernie lived in a small town in VT, a very small town, in 1972. This is an old piece of yellowed paper. Now Tim Murphy at Mother Jones is very capable of doing great, deep research. And I also guarantee you the Clintons have their supporters with editorial control in the mainstream press. However journalists are "given" things all the time. And the Clintons are infamous for just that kind of thing, getting dirt like this into mainstream press. - Bernie is doing better at fundraising than people expected and Hillary is doing worse. I think Bernie has someone's attention.
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She was mostly wrong about Whitewater too....many of her friends and business partners were convicted over that....
She hid her billing records until just after the statute of limitations ran out for Resolution Trust to investigate....
That was the small time stuff
The Mena conspiracy implicated Bush the elder and his two sons and Reagan too, so I don't think it was limited to just the right wing....
timschochet
Footballguy
Because you know she's responsible.Of course when people attack Hillary, do you go around trying to figure out who did it and call THEM scumbags? Of course not.
squistion
Footballguy
This was a Hillary trashing diary that was deleted from Daily Kos for good reason. Seemed like something out of FreeRepublic, with wild accusations and speculation backed without a shred of proof. Not really surprised that Saints would post it, though.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I said it was deleted, and the deletion shows the political leanings of the editors/mods there, as opposed to the readers.
squistion
Footballguy
Saying it was deleted doesn't turn irresponsible journalism that Breitbart wouldn't even touch into something valid. And, as indicated by comments like these, not exactly in tune with the political leanings of the Kos readers either:
"I read the link
your title is full of ####e. I love Bernie. I don't hold anyone to thoughts decades old when they have evolved.
Where the #### is the link the HRC?
HR'd for bull####e bull####e."
X
"Are you really this ####### stupid/obtuse?
Did it never occur to you that the national press will be looking through everything Bernie has ever written now that he's running for president... just like they do with every single candidate?
I suppose you also missed this, from the linked article that you clearly never bothered to read."
"The essay originally appeared in the Vermont Freeman alternative newspaper, according to Mother Jones, which featured the piece this week in a profile of Sanders."
The Commish
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Etc., there was enough of a debate going, and it was going. I'm sure this would have been a more viewed diary if given time to grow.
I don't want to have a Kos-off. You're talking about a campaign that is illegally coordinating with a Super-Pac run by David Brock and which has Sidney Blumenthal in its sidecar. this is the attack business and political consulting industry tail wagging the political campaign dog.
I mentioned above the source as Mother Jones, you could look at that discuss what is MJ doing with these two reports about Sanders' early history focusing on sexual issues.
squistion
Footballguy
More lies. Hillary's campaign is not illegally coordinating with David Brock. I don't feel like digging up the links (because you don't care about the truth anyway) but what Brock is doing is completely legal, and allowed under the current law as it doesn't cover internet advertising (which is what he is going to be doing for Hillary).
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