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I think we can agree Pharma is it's own separate issue.
It works in 32 of the 33 most developed countries in the world. We are the lone hold-out. And almost all of those countries have better average healthcare outcomes than we do.
Yeah. It's a great line that people repeat over and over. We're different in a lot of ways. And I think we'd have to make a lot of concessions that we don't want to in order for it work like the rest of the world. We also have the lowest or one of the lowest numbers of physicians per capita. And giving the government control of health care doesn't solve that--i would argue it will worsen it.
The main way we are different is that we don't have it. And that our current "system" is a Frankenstein's monster that has been optimized to benefit a handful of industries. It is a legacy system problem. Those can be very hard to solve. And obviously the industries that are enjoying the excess economic rents will fight it tooth and nail.
No? Unless someone wants to show me where Medical school seats are going unfilled by the masses. Most schools have extensive wait lists. Getting into medical school is very competitive and most people eat the loans with ungodly interest rates to make it happen. We're just not churning them out fast enough--and we're not incentivizing people to go into primary care.
Making it cheaper would reduce the economic harm of potentially lower future doctor pay though.
Eh.
Well, again I think you could help bridge physician shortages by incentivizing doctors to immigrate.
That's got it's own set of problems. You have to be board certified in the US. Our hospital has a Nephrolgoist who was a board Certified Surgeon in Pakistan but was going to have to re-do surgical residency to Practice here. So...he did a medical residency and became a nephrologist. We've got a Cardiologist that is Indian and was doing Primary care before he came to America. Had to re-do stuff, and here we are.
My wife is a director at a foremost non-profit Children's hospital in California. In reality its a total for-profit organization.
Care to elaborate?
I worked on a few audits of hospitals in Mississippi during my time there, I always thought what an awful business. Those places were all in the red. Granted that wasn't my primary line of business but from those that I saw and the few I worked on, brutal stuff.
They do a lot of this too. They also gouge whatever they can as well.
I wasnt trying to settle it with that response. I just asked her and she chuckled while saying it. I thought it was worth repeating.
Is it possible, just possible, that the AMA fundamentally has an economic motivation to make accreditation for medical schools and certification for immigrant doctors more difficult than it actually needs to be?
I'm honestly not even sure of the AMA's role in the situation. But I'll readily concede that they're the worst medical organization. I don't belong to it. I don't feel that they represent my interests or the interests of physicians. I don't feel that they do a great job of representing patients. I think they collect a lot of money to do their own politics.
Oh, you absolutely have to have something. The question of whether there is an economic incentive for these licensing bodies (which are made up of American doctors, I presume) to make it more difficult than it needs to be is a separate issue.
Just to clarify, the AMA doesn't accredit medical schools. The Liaison Committee on Medical Education (LCME) is the accrediting body for MD schools (DO schools are accredited by the Commission on Osteopathic College Accreditation). The AMA is a sponsor of the LCME and certainly has some influence on it, but the LCME is really more closely tied to the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC).
Thanks for the useful clarifications. I don't know that it changes it either, since I think my concerns could potentially apply to just about any self-regulatory organization.
Obvious answer: That Russia believes Trump can beat Sanders in the general election, quite possibly because they feel most confident that a disinformation campaign against Sanders will be especially effective.
It's going to be a glorious day when your two least favorite candidates are the two nominees. I will be laughing all the way to the voting booth.
I’m flattered that I’m important enough to you to provide motivation for who to root for President.
That’s part of it. The other part is that Bernie is an extremist, an isolationist who might not be willing to support Ukraine or our commitment to NATO.
I don't think expressing a desire to be non-interventionist is that extreme, frankly. And having a foreign policy that limits adventurism is not the same as being an isolationist.
Understood and I won’t argue the point.
If Medicare For All were to pass, I probably would have voted myself out of a job (I work for a huge hospital chain). Oh well.
I don't know if he would or wouldn't mind it, but I do know that he prefers his reliable lapdog/asset.
Nah, we're all just trying to make it imo.
Unsurprisingly Berns response to this news is 100 times better than Donald. Low bar and all but nice to see.
Good for Bernie. He correctly sees the establishment is trying to use this Russia nonsense to derail him.
The fallout of this is going to be interesting. People here fight the media bias angle, but there aren't many other ways to take this.
No idea. I don't know how the GOP isn't bringing up such egregious acts of "socialism" (as they define it) either...weird isn't it?
I'm pretty confident this would be the "cherry" on top from Russia's perspective. It's pretty clear, their primary goal is to sow discord in the American people. If they achieve that, they win in a huge way. Anything that comes out of that is an afterthought in terms of their objectives. You and I know both know this, but please, help them by doing exactly what they want you to do Tim.timschochet said:
I tend to agree. Until someone publishes a direct way Russia is interfering, the claims of on-line trolls and fake memes don't move the needle.
How much would you say the hospital loses annually on inability to pay?jm192 said:
The next time someone goes hard on the "OMG BERNIE BROS ARE SO MEAN!" angle Bernie's campaign should just say they're Russia sowing discord and spin them all into a BS logic pretzel
The timing of the media on this Russia bs is easy to see through.
