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Record numbers. Suburban women. The same coalition as 2018. And the fact that, like Trump, Bernie represented a rebellion against the system. I think Americans are sick of revolution. They’re exhausted by it, and they want a return to normal. 
What revolution?  Please tell me you aren’t talking about Trump’s presidency.

 
A buddy who is somewhat interested in politics started texting me yesterday. He considers himself a Bernie Bro and was in meltdown mode about Biden.

Texted me all this crap about Biden being senile, basically doing Trump’s bidding. Says he thinks election is over now. 

For Bernie folks how prevalent is this? 

 
A buddy who is somewhat interested in politics started texting me yesterday. He considers himself a Bernie Bro and was in meltdown mode about Biden.

Texted me all this crap about Biden being senile, basically doing Trump’s bidding. Says he thinks election is over now. 

For Bernie folks how prevalent is this? 
Biden is clearly showing signs of cognitive decline. You have to have your head buried deep in the sand not to see this.

I think Biden is likely to lose to Trump. Then again I thought Trump was likely to lose to Hillary. When it comes to electability I feel like nobody knows nothing anymore.

Although the one other thing I would add is that if Coronavirus really gets bad in the US I would expect to Trump regardless of the opponent. 

 
Biden is clearly showing signs of cognitive decline. You have to have your head buried deep in the sand not to see this.

I think Biden is likely to lose to Trump. Then again I thought Trump was likely to lose to Hillary. When it comes to electability I feel like nobody knows nothing anymore.

Although the one other thing I would add is that if Coronavirus really gets bad in the US I would expect to Trump regardless of the opponent. 
All that may or may not be true but it is beside the point of Biden gets the nom.

If Bernie fans decide they will support the Dem nom, that person wins. It’s really that simple.

 
Murph said:
I just want to thank the posters that have been sharing their thoughts about what moved them away from Bernie. I disagree with you, but I appreciate it.

There's work to be done and I hope we can win you back. There will always be things I disagree with, but on the whole I still believe this movement presents the best way forward for our country.
To be honest the tone policing re: Bernie supporters alone is pretty tiresome.  There are tons of hostile, toxic people online- I see them in people’s mentions all the time, from many different factions.  Those KHive people are animals on there.  There is only so much candidate can do to control the actions of other people.  

It’s a bad faith narrative, like so many others, that just gets internalized through repetition.  Sanders has disavowed that sort of behavior many times.  There was never going to be a path Sanders could take that would be enough for these people.  

 
And yeah I don’t get the Sirota hate at all.  I see people dismiss him as a toxic jerk or whatever but I’ve never heard a substantive reason why.  Maybe if he tackled protesters and stuck his finger in voter’s faces he’d finally get the centrists’ respect.  

 
To be honest the tone policing re: Bernie supporters alone is pretty tiresome.  There are tons of hostile, toxic people online- I see them in people’s mentions all the time, from many different factions.  Those KHive people are animals on there.  There is only so much candidate can do to control the actions of other people.  

It’s a bad faith narrative, like so many others, that just gets internalized through repetition.  Sanders has disavowed that sort of behavior many times.  There was never going to be a path Sanders could take that would be enough for these people.  
:shrug:  There's no accounting for taste. I personally find Bernie inspiring. Many people don't. Fair or unfair it's time to admit it's a problem.

 
I also think you're overestimating the proportion of the electorate that cares about mean tweets and underestimating the proportion of the electorate that is turned off by Bernie himself. But at the end of the day we're all just guessing.

 
:shrug:  There's no accounting for taste. I personally find Bernie inspiring. Many people don't. Fair or unfair it's time to admit it's a problem.
Not disputing that about Sanders’ appeal personally, or that it needs some work.  What I’m saying that Sanders’ supporters being toxic online is a manufactured issue.  If people really wanted to go there they wouldn’t have any trouble finding equivalents with other campaigns.  Yet it is Sanders and Sanders alone that bears the burden of hateful online supporters.  

Moreover, it’s an issue that shouldn’t matter at all in the context of life and death policy directions that will affect millions of people.  

 
The Rev. Jesse Jackson endorsed Sen. Bernie Sanders for president, saying Sanders represents the most progressive path that will help African Americans catch up socially and economically. "Our needs are not moderate," he said.

 
I also think you're overestimating the proportion of the electorate that cares about mean tweets and underestimating the proportion of the electorate that is turned off by Bernie himself. But at the end of the day we're all just guessing.
And the reality is Sanders and Biden are both well liked and far more so than Trump. 

 
The Rev. Jesse Jackson endorsed Sen. Bernie Sanders for president, saying Sanders represents the most progressive path that will help African Americans catch up socially and economically. "Our needs are not moderate," he said.
Funny how he's speaking for his race, but the black voters in his own state don't agree.  

 
Funny how he's speaking for his race, but the black voters in his own state don't agree.  
Under Socialism, nobody wins.  That's what they don't understand.  They really think "FREE STUFF" is going to make them successful?  

Under Socialism, the only people that "make it" are the party leaders like Sanders.  He ain't givin' up his millions, his 3 houses and his golden parachute health care/pension.  You're giving up yours, though. 

 
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Under Socialism, nobody wins.  That's what they don't understand.  They really think "FREE STUFF" is going to make them successful?  

Under Socialism, the only people that "make it" are the party leaders like Sanders.  He ain't givin' up his millions, his 3 houses and his golden parachute health care/pension.  You're giving up yours, though. 
Why are you going thread to thread with the same untrue talking points?

 
Why are you going thread to thread with the same untrue talking points?
They are true.  What are YOU talking about?  You haven't proven anything other than say "that's not true".  :shrug:

I have history on my side.  What do you have?  Talking points?

 
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They are true.  What are YOU talking about?  You haven't proven anything other than say "that's not true".  :shrug:

I have history on my side.  What do you have?  Talking points?
There are several countries that practice similar types of the socialism that Bernie talks about and they aren't even close to what you are preaching here. 

 
There are several countries that practice similar types of the socialism that Bernie talks about and they aren't even close to what you are preaching here. 
What?  Bernie is a pure Socialist.  The dude has been saying that for 70 years.  You think him putting the word "Democratic" in front of the word "Socialism" changes that?  Or do you think he's doing that to fool the rubes because he's trying to be the POTUS?  I mean, that cat ain't changing his spots no matter how hard he lies.

"Democratic Socialism" isn't even a thing.  Which countries you talking about anyways?  Because I bet dollars to donuts the countries you list are the same countries that will tell you that they ain't Socialist and wonder why they keep getting mislabled as that.

 
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What?  Bernie is a pure Socialist.  The dude has been saying that for 70 years.  You think him putting the word "Democratic" in front of the word "Socialism" changes that?  Or do you think he's doing that to fool the rubes because he's trying to be the POTUS?  I mean, that cat ain't changing his spots no matter how hard he lies.

"Democratic Socialism" isn't even a thing.  Which countries you talking about anyways?  Because I bet dollars to donuts the countries you list are the same countries that will tell you that they ain't Socialist and wonder why they keep getting mislabled as that.
We will have to agree to disagree. He isn't a pure socialist, whatever that means. 

Democratic socialism can be a thing. You take parts of a democracy and parts of socialism and make it work and no matter how many times you call that isn't real doesn't make it true. I think Bernie is trying to take the best of both systems for the greater good of this country. 

 
We will have to agree to disagree. He isn't a pure socialist, whatever that means. 

Democratic socialism can be a thing. You take parts of a democracy and parts of socialism and make it work and no matter how many times you call that isn't real doesn't make it true. I think Bernie is trying to take the best of both systems for the greater good of this country. 
"Democratic Socialism" only came around when a few extreme lefties wanted to become President.  Up until then, it wasn't a thing.

Also, there are no good parts of Socialism.  I have no idea how we, knowing everything we know about Socialism and it's history, still think it's a good thing.  It's entire history is made up of of dead bodies, corruption, famine and straight up oppression.  Socialism comes with a very big component of Authoritarianism.

How on earth do we still think ANY part of Socialism is good.  For heaven's sakes, woman, are you really defending Socialism here?

 
When I Google Democratic socialism it shows Nordic countries and Canada. 
I knew you were going to go to this well.

I've seen several articles and interviews from Economists from those Nordic countries who say they are NOT Socialist or Democratic Socialists, not even in the least.  These countries have no idea why Democrats from the USA keep labeling them as such.  It's a flat out lie to say they are.

 
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I knew you were going to go to this well.

I've seen several articles and interviews from Economists from those Nordic countries who say they are NOT Socialist or Democratic Socialists, not even in the least.  These countries have no idea why Democrats from the USA keep labeling them as such. 
Congrats? I knew you would go to the worst case scenario as well. 

You do realize when you claim socialism has killed so many people and taken from so many people that our democracy has done the same right?

 
"Democratic Socialism" only came around when a few extreme lefties wanted to become President.  Up until then, it wasn't a thing.

Also, there are no good parts of Socialism.  I have no idea how we, knowing everything we know about Socialism and it's history, still think it's a good thing.  It's entire history is made up of of dead bodies, corruption, famine and straight up oppression.  Socialism comes with a very big component of Authoritarianism.

How on earth do we still think ANY part of Socialism is good.  For heaven's sakes, woman, are you really defending Socialism here?
Just because they gave it a different name doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And yes I think parts of socialism can be good. I think any form of government in the wrong hands can be bad. 

 
Congrats? I knew you would go to the worst case scenario as well. 

You do realize when you claim socialism has killed so many people and taken from so many people that our democracy has done the same right?
Oh please.  Yeah democracy is just like socialism.  🙄 

Our democracy hasn't done anything close to what socialism has done. That's just a talking point people like to say so they feel better about believing in a political system that oppresses their people.

 
Just because they gave it a different name doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And yes I think parts of socialism can be good. I think any form of government in the wrong hands can be bad. 
Socialism at its core is the government controlling the means of production and generation of wealth.  That's the basic tenet.  It's simply never worked.  I think people today have a utopian view of what it could be, but it's not the reality when it's implemented.  

 
Socialism at its core is the government controlling the means of production and generation of wealth.  That's the basic tenet.  It's simply never worked.  I think people today have a utopian view of what it could be, but it's not the reality when it's implemented.  
I agree and I also don't think that is the part Sanders isn't interested in. I believe with the proper people running it and overseeing it that it would be good. I am not under any delusions that it would fix all our problems or be perfect. 

 
Oh please.  Yeah democracy is just like socialism.  🙄 

Our democracy hasn't done anything close to what socialism has done. That's just a talking point people like to say so they feel better about believing in a political system that oppresses their people.
I didn't say that. They are very different, but to act like all the bad things that have happened under socialism haven't happened under democracy is naive at best. 

 
I agree and I also don't think that is the part Sanders isn't interested in. I believe with the proper people running it and overseeing it that it would be good. I am not under any delusions that it would fix all our problems or be perfect. 
The dude has praised Castro, Maduro, Chavez and Mother Russia (He even honeymooned over there).  Heck, just last week he said Castro did some good.  How would you feel if Trump said Hitler did some good?  You'd be out of your mind, wouldn't you?  Yet here all of you are, praising Bernie and his "ideas".

You can't ignore any of that.  That is an insight to WHO Bernie really is, despite his talk.  Actions speak louder than words.

 
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The dude has praised Castro, Maduro, Chavez and Mother Russia (He even honeymooned over there).  Heck, just last week he said Castro did some good.

You can't ignore any of that.  That is an insight to WHO Bernie really is, despite his talk.  Actions speak louder than words.
So you are taking his words as actions and not his voting record or bills he has sponsored? Seems backwards. 

 
How would you feel if Trump said Hitler did some good?
Why is this about Trump? But I would have to look at what he said was good.

Hitler could have cured cancer and Trump could praise him for passing legislation that funded these operations and that would be great and at the same time it doesn't absolve what Hitler did the rest of the time or the fact Trump could still be appalled by everything else Hitler did.  

 
Why is this about Trump? But I would have to look at what he said was good.

Hitler could have cured cancer and Trump could praise him for passing legislation that funded these operations and that would be great and at the same time it doesn't absolve what Hitler did the rest of the time or the fact Trump could still be appalled by everything else Hitler did.  
If you guys could only hear what you sound like from outside of yourselves.  This is crazy.  Are we actually defending people who praise evil historical leaders?  These people killed MILLIONS of their own people, but because Castro taught someone to read he's a swell guy?  BTW, that "reading program" Bernie is praising - yeah, you could read the trumped up charges against you while you rot in jail.  It was that and the communist manifesto.  It wasn't a "reading program", it was a propaganda, brainwashing and indoctrination program. 

Has everyone gone crazy?

 
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If you guys could only hear what you sound like from outside of yourselves.  This is crazy.  Are we actually defending people who praise evil historical leaders?

Has everyone gone crazy?
I feel the same listening to you with all your fear mongering,  end of life as we know it predictions if Sanders becomes president. 

 
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It is strange watching Bernie Bros and Trump supporters kind of play this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing online.  Now they are joining in on this Biden attack about this declining state of mind.  Even using an edited video from Trump guy by both sides.  Like Bernie's mind is crystal clear AT HIS AGE

I ask all the time with Sanders supporters.   If Trump is so scared of Sanders:

1.  Why is so concerned about the Democrat process with Bernie but not one of the other candidates.  

2.  When is Trump going to do the thing that got him impeached like he did for Biden?   When is Rudy is going to Russia and other countries looking for Bernie dirt

 
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The dude has praised Castro, Maduro, Chavez and Mother Russia (He even honeymooned over there).  Heck, just last week he said Castro did some good.  How would you feel if Trump said Hitler did some good?  You'd be out of your mind, wouldn't you?  Yet here all of you are, praising Bernie and his "ideas".

You can't ignore any of that.  That is an insight to WHO Bernie really is, despite his talk.  Actions speak louder than words.
Castro and Hitler are not equals, not even close.  So if Trump praised Hitler there would/should be huge fall out.  

Castro is closer to a Rodrigo Duterte.  What did Trump say about him again? 🤔

 
I feel the same listening to you with all your fear mongering,  end of life as we know it predictions if Sanders becomes president. 
Yeah, that's what they all said down in Cuba with Castro before he took power.  Chavez before he took power.  and on, and on, and on.   ;)

But, Castro was this great humanitarian who taught people how to read (the communist manifesto), so he wasn't so bad.

 
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Castro and Hitler are not equals, not even close.  So if Trump praised Hitler there would/should be huge fall out.  

Castro is closer to a Rodrigo Duterte.  What did Trump say about him again? 🤔
Castro was slightly less evil so he gets a pass?  Wut?

 
Pains me to say it, but I think Bernie needs to pull the plug on this thing and get everyone he can behind Biden now. We all knew we couldn't afford to let Trump and the Republicans run the show, we coasted by for a bit, but now we're all paying for it. Getting these people away from positions of power is job one now. Consolidating support behind Biden and the downticket races is necessary as soon as possible.

 

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