You're trying too hard here bro. Here ya go. Same exact frame side by sideLooks like different cameras at different angles.
IMO Bernie called in a few favors to try to get things going the right direction, poll-wise. Ilhan and AOC have both always been very complimentary of Bernie and credit him for inspiring them to run for Congress.Kind of surprised to see this thread drop to the 2nd page.
Big day for Bernie tomorrow. I expect a big turnout for his NY rally and Endorsement from AOC.
It now, also includes special guest and also endorsing Bernie - Michael Moore.
I am a little surprised the Progressive wing is placing bets now - obviously there must be some underlying resentment towards Warren - but I don't know what that is all about.
We need a stat that shows the % of your posts being replies to other posters. There’s no doubt that RW, kd, Noonan, squis and sho reply way more often to other certain posters than they do everyone else. It’s not really debatable. It’s like watching kids argue.It's not really following you around. When you post as much as you do, you're in just about every thread regularly.
Also, if you don't like being pointed out for your hypocrisy, may I suggest a very simple solution? Don't be a hypocrite. Or if you choose to continue to be, at least stop whining about it.
I think it will help Warren get Biden voters after the inevitable Biden collapse.Norman Paperman said:Kind of surprised to see this thread drop to the 2nd page.
Big day for Bernie tomorrow. I expect a big turnout for his NY rally and Endorsement from AOC.
It now, also includes special guest and also endorsing Bernie - Michael Moore.
I am a little surprised the Progressive wing is placing bets now - obviously there must be some underlying resentment towards Warren - but I don't know what that is all about.
Because I listen to Pete say similar things and not be almost 80 and not push some of the progressive ideas that are more socialist and a bit out there?
Pete takes way too much money from healthcare execs for me to believe he would actually change muchBecause I listen to Pete say similar things and not be almost 80 and not push some of the progressive ideas that are more socialist and a bit out there?
All 97,000 of it in the third quarter?Pete takes way too much money from healthcare execs for me to believe he would actually change much
$1.26 Mil according to the articleAll 97,000 of it in the third quarter?
Amd on the overall list...Bernie is 5th in healthcare contributions .
The article states the 97000 third quarter as I said. And get away from Sludge and to something linked in it to see the overall list.m and totals.$1.26 Mil according to the article
Right, the article said that but I didn't (the article was just an example)... I don't care when they got the money. Warren got a lot of hers from her Senate run that was rolled overThe article states the 97000 third quarter as I said. And get away from Sludge and to something linked in it to see the overall list.m and totals.
https://www.businessinsider.com/healthcare-donations-to-2020-presidential-candidates-2019-7#3-kamala-harris-d-21
Click the 1.2 million figure and follow where it takes you. It doesnt back up tue 1.2 million claim from execs. Thats just background of all donors. So a nurse donating is included in that.Right, the article said that but I didn't... I don't care when they got the money. Warren got a lot of hers from her Senate run that was rolled over
That's a fair point. Still, he seems a bit too cozy with big money for my liking. He's definitely smart AF and has a bright future though.Click the 1.2 million figure and follow where it takes you. It doesnt back up tue 1.2 million claim from execs. Thats just background of all donors. So a nurse donating is included in that.
From the article:KiddLattimer said:$1.26 Mil according to the article
I actually like Pete on some level... smart guy, seems like he has decent ideas and it's good to see a fresh face with a bright future.From the article:
"The donors identified by Sludge gave a total of close to $97,000 to the Buttigieg campaign in the third quarter of 2019."
So, out of $19.1M raised in the 3rd quarter - your beef is with the $0.1M?
Seems a bit disingenuous. If you don't like him - thats fine. No need to start manufacturing reasons not to like him though. Pete is definitely more centrist/moderate than Bernie or Warren. But, his is eons more mature than Trump.
Bernie has an objectively better chance than Pete right now. It's already down to 3. Pete and Kamala are just there right now to take up space and divide votes.sho nuff said:Because I listen to Pete say similar things and not be almost 80 and not push some of the progressive ideas that are more socialist and a bit out there?
Objectively? Really?Bernie has an objectively better chance than Pete right now. It's already down to 3. Pete and Kamala are just there right now to take up space and divide votes.
He does? Iowa polling says different.Bernie has an objectively better chance than Pete right now. It's already down to 3. Pete and Kamala are just there right now to take up space and divide votes.
Ugh not againhttps://nypost.com/2019/10/21/bernie-sanders-says-hed-back-joe-biden-or-any-other-dem-nominee/
Bernie Sanders: I will support any corporate tool no matter who because Trump
These polls are somewhat offensive. Why do they only rate the white voters for college degrees? They think nobody else has a degree? Having a mother who is a minority and graduated from college at the age of 42 if they are going to poll about who went to college they need to be more inclusive.Monmouth: Within margin of error of 1st
Quinnipiac: 52% of voters under 35 (next closest - Warren 17%)
Is it whites with college degree or is it just the headers are weird?These poll are somewhat offensive. Why do they only rate the white voters for college degrees? They think nobody else has a degree? Having a mother who is a minority and graduated from college at the age of 42 if they are going to poll about who wen to college they need to be more inclusive.
The purpose is probably to influence the white vote by showing educated whites vote for Biden. Minority probably support Biden by similar percentage regardless of education so it is uninteresting. Worst case would be minority breakout may show that the more educated are less likely to vote for Biden and they don't want to show that.These polls are somewhat offensive. Why do they only rate the white voters for college degrees? They think nobody else has a degree? Having a mother who is a minority and graduated from college at the age of 42 if they are going to poll about who went to college they need to be more inclusive.
Educational attainment is a significant predictor of candidate choice for white voters only. It's not a very good explanatory variable for minority folks, so some pollsters don't bother asking them.These polls are somewhat offensive. Why do they only rate the white voters for college degrees? They think nobody else has a degree? Having a mother who is a minority and graduated from college at the age of 42 if they are going to poll about who went to college they need to be more inclusive.
He does. He is quickly becoming Biden’s main opponent. And there is some very interesting info in the polls- Bernie is the second choice of all the other candidates- including Biden voters!Sanders campaign raises $34.5 million in fourth quarter of 2019
Bernie has always been my preferred candidate, but I thought he might not be able to rise above all of the other candidates who have largely copied a lot of his rhetoric. I'm beginning to think he really does have a shot again.
He'd be a runaway if the mainstream gave him even half the time of Biden/Liz/Pete.Sanders campaign raises $34.5 million in fourth quarter of 2019
Bernie has always been my preferred candidate, but I thought he might not be able to rise above all of the other candidates who have largely copied a lot of his rhetoric. I'm beginning to think he really does have a shot again.
My stance is unchanged. If the Democrats give Bernie their nomination, IMO Trump will crush him. And I say that as no fan of Trump.He is seeking to run for President. That is about as stressful a job as there is in the entire world. Trump was 70 when he started his presidency, the oldest of any US President. Bernie would be 79 if he were to be elected. IMO he has no chance. Nor should he.
DoneMy sense of Democratic politics is telling me that if Bernie condemns this attack on Iran and Biden does not, it could put Bernie over the top in this race, ala McGovern in 1972. Hope I’m wrong though.
Are people disputing this? I think the large majority of people understand how that part of it works.Age and health will be an issue. More importantly, the Republicans will hammer him over economy and taxes. There is simply no way to fund his policies without a drastic increase in taxes, including on the middle class.
According to his plan the increase in middle class taxes would be less than they currently pay to the health insurance companies, I think that's a trade off that most people would find reasonable.My stance is unchanged. If the Democrats give Bernie their nomination, IMO Trump will crush him. And I say that as no fan of Trump.
Age and health will be an issue. More importantly, the Republicans will hammer him over economy and taxes. There is simply no way to fund his policies without a drastic increase in taxes, including on the middle class.
they would if you can sell it. i doubt you can.According to his plan the increase in middle class taxes would be less than they currently pay to the health insurance companies, I think that's a trade off that most people would find reasonable.
I'm sure there would be sound bites of him saying "your taxes will go up" without leaving the rest of the quote in but they'll do that to any nominee
I’m not sure anybody really knows what will happen. Some people think there’s no chance Warren or Bernie can win but there were plenty of people who thought Trump would never win. I think it’s extremely hard to predict how Independents and typical non-voters will break and also how well the sides will be motivated to get out and vote. Maybe Bernie is the nominee and that encourages enough young people to vote and he doesnt turn off too many Trump voters. I think people are doing their best to guess but it’s still that, a guess.timschochet said:they would if you can sell it. i doubt you can.
And I think when it comes to an election, not enough people will vote non-trivial taxes upon themselves for him to win the Presidential election.ShamrockPride said:Are people disputing this? I think the large majority of people understand how that part of it works.
There is some discussion of his plan to pay for healthcare on page 399 of this thread. Here is one of my posts that shows that his plan to pay for M4A covers only half the cost. It shows households paying only an additional 4% in individual/household income tax, which is certainly less than their average premiums today. But his plan does not show where the other half of the money comes from.KiddLattimer said:According to his plan the increase in middle class taxes would be less than they currently pay to the health insurance companies, I think that's a trade off that most people would find reasonable.