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DeMarco Murray to the Titans, per Schef (1 Viewer)

drafting Tunsil though and playing musical chairs with Lewan to RT and moving the right tackle to guard along with Warmack might not be such a bad situation for Murray. Tend to think he'll be the focal point of the offense setting up the play action game for Mariota with a conceivably improved offensive line. Much better than the situation he just left

 
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Murray looked a lot better in a power I set in DAL, he was just a scheme misfit for how Kelly used him in PHI last year. No reason he can't bounce back in some form, though TEN OL won't be as good as DAL in 2014 with like three Pro Bowlers, and they don't have anybody like Dez Bryant to distract defenses.

This can't be good for the remainder of Sankey's tenure in TEN?

 
So as a Mariota owner, I was hoping for an upgrade at OL and RB.  Is this too much of an upgrade, or does Mariota's running ability hinder Murray's upside more?

 
I don't know if this is great for Murray. That O line and play calling has been terrible. Whiz is gone but it did not get much better. 

 
Warren Sharp ‏@SharpFootball  25m25 minutes ago
Last yr DeMarco Murray had 15 carries on 3rd/4th w 1-2 yds to go. He gained 1st down ALL15 times. TEN converted just 37% in same situation.
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The Titans do have the first pick in the draft, and one of the best left tackle prospects in years is there. Albert Breer added,
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Offensive line makes a difference too? I don't think they really have one https://twitter.com/albertbreer/status/707002029613436928
 

 
Exciting.

I've been told 3rd maybe a 4th but probably it's a third. How do you not take the 2014 top rusher for a 3rd? Also, he's willing to rework his contract which is awesome. Kudos new GM, we wanted a good RB and you got us one without paying thru the nose.

I don't think he's the top RB in the NFL but I do think he's very good.

Every Eagle (have you noticed?) is hated from last year, is a hack, shouldn't be in the league and some other such complaints. Gotta weed out the Eagles fans that are saying this stuff to a degree. Kelly's time share didn't work and their OL was poor. A step above the Titans but still in the basement of junk OLs. It's a waste of time to dissect who is worst at a certain point-offenses just don't really function right.

Several said Murray was a 3rd down back coming out of OU. He's got the receiving, third down ability if necessary. He proved em' wrong but it's nice he has that ability.

McCluster was good on third down last year and looked like he found his role. 

Andrews, Cobb, and Sankey will battle it out for the other two spots. Andrews is probably going to win a spot. He can play FB and slot, KR and LS even.

Last year's top FB in the draft was barely used. They could show a real nice lead back for Murray.

The line is still a concern but by all accounts they're addressing it soon. 

The Titans will be like the Browns or Bengals were for years- top this, top that, highly rated this or that...losing brings it. Proof is in execution and not draft day stock. 

They have 1st and 2nd round WRs, two supposed athletic freaks and the other mind numbingly fast but Hunter, DGB, and Wright have yet to equal their draft praise.

I mentioned top FB, Lewan was rated highly, Warmack was one of the best G prospects in a while too. Mariota....there's a ton of talent there. They're giving the fans what they want. The guys gotta produce though and that's the problem. Having Mularkey's O called by a longtime WR coach will be odd, in addition having another longtime WR coach may be just what they need to unearth some of that WR talent.

Anyway, one piece, onto the next

 
Houston turmOiler said:
drafting Tunsil though and playing musical chairs with Lewan to RT and moving the right tackle to guard along with Warmack might not be such a bad situation for Murray. Tend to think he'll be the focal point of the offense setting up the play action game for Mariota with a conceivably improved offensive line. Much better than the situation he just left
To nitpick, sorry, Mariota is the focal point.

His persona may just help Murray who loses his cool from time to time.

I still am doubtful they keep Warmack or draft Tunsil. We'll see. 

Signing the Jets NT seems to be the next step and that's excellent too.

 
You know a trade is not good for your team if the other teams fans are all celebrating and they don't even know what they got back yet. 

I loved the Murray signing until I watched him.  It didn't look like him and Matthews were on the same planet talent wise.

 
You know a trade is not good for your team if the other teams fans are all celebrating and they don't even know what they got back yet. 

I loved the Murray signing until I watched him.  It didn't look like him and Matthews were on the same planet talent wise.
 I don't know that anyone has ever left Philly with positive vibes. I do recall junk said about Reggie and for some reason it seems like everyone ever since. That passionate 'my player my team' attitude doesn't always work well when guys leave.

Murray is not some unknown that sprouted on the scene in Philly. He's been a high profile player since OU. We all know what he brings to the table

 
I actually don't think this is that bad for Murray. Is it the most ideal landing spot, no, but I don't think it's terrible either. They should be addressing the line, and I think the offense as a whole is trending in the right direction with Mariota at QB.

Fantasy owners dismissed all Jags/Raiders players because they were a fantasy black hole.....Until they weren't anymore. Same situation here IMO. I think people are just looking at the team name and hating the move for Murray. The biggest determining factor for RB fantasy success is workload, and Murray should get plenty of it in TEN, and I believe in a system that will mesh much better with the strengths of his game. I don't expect Murray to be a game changing true difference making fantasy RB with #1 overall RB upside, but I think he'll have no problem churning out a couple of overall RB5-10 kind of seasons as long as he's on the field.

 
I actually don't think this is that bad for Murray. Is it the most ideal landing spot, no, but I don't think it's terrible either. They should be addressing the line, and I think the offense as a whole is trending in the right direction with Mariota at QB.

Fantasy owners dismissed all Jags/Raiders players because they were a fantasy black hole.....Until they weren't anymore. Same situation here IMO. I think people are just looking at the team name and hating the move for Murray. The biggest determining factor for RB fantasy success is workload, and Murray should get plenty of it in TEN, and I believe in a system that will mesh much better with the strengths of his game. I don't expect Murray to be a game changing true difference making fantasy RB with #1 overall RB upside, but I think he'll have no problem churning out a couple of overall RB5-10 kind of seasons as long as he's on the field.
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Way too many people writing Murray off after 1 down year, in what most people believe was a broken system, run by a coach the organization couldn't wait to run out of town. Murray has a career average of 4.5 YPC, and a lot of it came before Dallas had a good, let alone great, o-line. 

 
As a Murray and Matthews owner I'm pretty upbeat about this. Murray should get a chance to be a bellcow again and Matthews should also be a lead back. I still think Murray is a solid back and I think he can put up low end rb1 numbers.

 
 I think the shark mentality should lead us to think about whats going to happen with Ryan Mathews and how that affects him instead.

 Mathews was "under the radar" last season, and even though he had 4 decent weeks, the rest was rubbish. In those 4 weeks he looked decent at times.

 He was on and off my waiver wires all season, and in several I was the one picking him up and dropping him. (semi short bench leagues)

 I seem to recall something like a 23-24 touch night in week 3, vs. the Jets.

 The narrative for DeMarco Murray going into next season, well we should all see it clearly now.

 I already know damn well I have 2-3 guys in every league I am in saying to their selves.............. "Everyone is gonna sleep on this guy, I'm going to grab him in round 2 and laugh all the way to the bank".

 I think we all know he won't be dropping to the later rounds. If he is healthy preseason and does anything at all, then he will likely go as a late second rounder, or early third.

 NO THANKS.

 I will find my value elsewhere.

 TZM

 
imjackdupp said:
As a not so proud Murray owner I'm even less proud now.
As a not so proud Titans fan I'm even less proud now.   Presumably they have to pay his salary which is way too high imo. I almost don't care what they gave up, anything was too much with his salary.

So one source says his contract will be reworked.  Maybe this will be okay.

 
Agree that people are writing him off too soon, but until they actually add the talent to the oline he doesn't gain value. Sure he was a poor fit in that offense and Kelly took a good oline and gutted it just like the rest of the team, but everyone was saying last offseason that his carries were piling up and he can't take the beating. Then he looks real bad. He may just be an older back with a lot of use, and giving him 25 touches a game may not be the recipe for success everyone thinks. A lot to pay for a short ydg specialist if he can't hold the torch.

 
 I don't know that anyone has ever left Philly with positive vibes. I do recall junk said about Reggie and for some reason it seems like everyone ever since. That passionate 'my player my team' attitude doesn't always work well when guys leave.
Totally disagree with this.  Everyone knew that Reggie left because the owner was horrible and unwilling to pay.  

 
So as a Mariota owner, I was hoping for an upgrade at OL and RB.  Is this too much of an upgrade, or does Mariota's running ability hinder Murray's upside more?
Biggest thing hindering the entire offense is Mularkey.. Perfect pickup for his boring run-run-short pass, run, play-action to TE, another short pass.....

 
Biggest thing hindering the entire offense is Mularkey.. Perfect pickup for his boring run-run-short pass, run, play-action to TE, another short pass.....
I certainly hope they address the O-line early in the draft. With a successful run game they may be able to reach the plateau Minn is camped out on.  

 
Biggest thing hindering the entire offense is Mularkey.. Perfect pickup for his boring run-run-short pass, run, play-action to TE, another short pass.....
No doubt his post Whisenhunt offense was almost an obsession with the TEs he coached. IIRC he was a TE himself years ago. It was brutal and ugly. He said he couldn't change much mid-season and I didn't like that excuse.

He got himself stuck trying to speak on what the O would be like before the OC and WR coach(former OC) were hired and then the day they were hired and....he needed to shush and wait til they could sit down and map something out. At the combine he said things like they have gone over the film and discussed how to best utilize some talents<--- he needed that phrase a couple months before.

I have no doubt that the three guys with a zillion years experience in NFL offenses can draw up an O and that it'll be balanced. Otherwise the personnel doesn't match with his previous teams at all.

Whis had an excellent gameplan in an early game where they were using some spread type snap N throws, Mariota ran an option, FB was used and...it looked fresh if not new. In 2015, he had a gem of a gameplan week one as Locker beat the Chiefs. That's about it for him. The rest was garbage.

My biggest two gripes were having an excellent FB and not using him and sending a WR deep on seemingly every play. The decoy stuff would wear on me too if I were them. 

The gameplan the little tiny points we could debate just don't matter if they don't execute and are down right away or oh so clearly overmatched. Like I said above, they have all this talent on the roster from prior bad seasons and drafts but, today for them to offer up a balanced O would be a huge upgrade. For some of that talent to actually produce, would be awesome.

I'd be happy with a 1000 yard WR and a back even approaching 1000 yards....baby steps, baby steps.

 
Totally disagree with this.  Everyone knew that Reggie left because the owner was horrible and unwilling to pay.  
I didn't say a word about why a guy left to even disagree with. Just that Eagles fans get upset at anyone that leaves.

And they did spend $ on Bavaro and two others. The point back then was those three (who didn't pan out) could have been the $ for Reggie. It was a different time with 4 and 5 mil per being the deals everyone coveted. It's a classic sports Q are three good guys worth one great one. Kareem traded for (about) a team, Herschel trade etc. 

 
As a not so proud Titans fan I'm even less proud now.   Presumably they have to pay his salary which is way too high imo. I almost don't care what they gave up, anything was too much with his salary.

So one source says his contract will be reworked.  Maybe this will be okay.
this morning, some are saying the contract has been reworked and agreed upon already. Maybe they burned the midnight oil to wrap that up

 
 I don't know that anyone has ever left Philly with positive vibes. I do recall junk said about Reggie and for some reason it seems like everyone ever since. That passionate 'my player my team' attitude doesn't always work well when guys leave.

Murray is not some unknown that sprouted on the scene in Philly. He's been a high profile player since OU. We all know what he brings to the table
When you look back at players who leave here you will normally see a split. McNabb, McCoy, Jackson, T.O. Etc. etc. all had quite a bit of fans who were pissed they were let go of not resigned. 

You will struggle to find 20 fans who are mad that we got rid of Murray or Maxwell. 

And we thought we knew what Murray brought to the table. We didn't think we'd see a bad apple who slides when about to be tackled by a CB

 
How do you not take the 2014 top rusher for a 3rd?
Bloated contract. That's how. Unless he takes a huge pay cut, trading a 3rd round pick for a potentially washed up, definitely overpriced RB is a questionable move. I was quietly freaking out when my Texans were tied to Murray rumors. So glad to see a division rival make that mistake instead. Would've preferred it was the Colts, though. :P

 
 I don't know that anyone has ever left Philly with positive vibes. I do recall junk said about Reggie and for some reason it seems like everyone ever since. That passionate 'my player my team' attitude doesn't always work well when guys leave.

Murray is not some unknown that sprouted on the scene in Philly. He's been a high profile player since OU. We all know what he brings to the table
Dawkins, Westbrook, Maclin at least.  I'm sure there's more.

 
For those who think Murray is damaged goods, he had the #3 YPC in the NFL on carries between the tackles among RB's last season, with at least 50 attempts at 4.59. Only Spencer Ware(5.4) and Thomas Rawls(4.6) were higher. Adrian Peterson tied at 4.59.

Lends a lot of credence that the problem was poor play calling. 

 
Preface this to say, I've only got DeMarco in one league.  

I think this is definitely an under rated spot for him.  The SP freaked out when Eric Decker went to the Jets.  Same with Brandon Marshall.  Crabtree to the Raiders?  Dead man walking.  

Murray was a horrible schematic fit in Philly.  Don't underestimate that.  Until 2015, he had proven he was a very good RB in his time with Dallas.  Just look at his YPC as one example.  

2011: 5.5 YPC

2012:  4.1 YPC

2013:  5.2 YPC

2014:  4.7 YPC

2015:  3.6 YPC (Philly)

He's also a very good receiving back, averaging 43 catches/season.

IMO the Titans offense is very likely to perform much better this year.  Mariota and DGB should be improved.  Delanie Walker was easily one of the best TE weapons in the league last year.  Now add in a true 3 down back in Murray?  Seems like they just really need to concentrate on the Oline to get into a place with a respectable offense.  Having the #1 overall pick and an elite OT prospect sitting there, plus picking at or near the top in rounds 2/3 etc, should make a transformation there realistic.  

 
I think this is definitely an under rated spot for him.  The SP freaked out when Eric Decker went to the Jets.  Same with Brandon Marshall.  Crabtree to the Raiders?  Dead man walking. 
Ehhhh... those examples are a little disingenuous. Kind of like saying, "Why draft a QB in the 1st when there are guys like Brady and Romo out there?" There are exceptions, but basically a player going to a bad team is very likely to be a bad thing for that player. People probably freaked out when Clinton Portis went to Washington. McCoy to Buffalo wasn't exactly a boon for his owners. The only likely/feasible saving grace for Murray would be volume, volume, and more volume.

I think I said in the Doug Martin thread that landing in Tennessee would be one of the worst outcomes for him. Only Cleveland has a better chance of getting the #1 pick for 2017 than the Titans.

Decker and Marshall mainly worked out because there was a change in offensive coordinator AND quarterback. Tennessee is bringing back their interim coach from last year. Not much to get excited about here.

 
Titans RBs in drafts going back to 2004-

Cobb, Sankey, Harper, Ringer, CJ, Chris Henry, Lendale, Nash, Fleming

 
As of now, weeding through twitter. The pick is a third day pick so a pick in rounds 4-7. 

Murray was making  2016: $7 million base salary. 2017: $7.5 million base salary, $500k roster bonus third day of league year. 2018: $7.5 million base salary, $500k roster bonus third day of league year. 2019: $7.5 million base salary, $500k roster bonus third day of league year. (Schefter)

18 mil of that 31 mil was guaranteed. The wording seems to be he switched to only getting the guaranteed money.

7 mil in 2016

3 in 2017

2 in 2018 and 2019

That's 14 mil. I'm not seeing the other 4 mil.

Roster bonuses and rushing incentives would seem to make up the 4 mil but a bonus is not guaranteed.

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"Eating" 2016, after that the contract seems fine

 
Bloated contract. That's how. Unless he takes a huge pay cut, trading a 3rd round pick for a potentially washed up, definitely overpriced RB is a questionable move. I was quietly freaking out when my Texans were tied to Murray rumors. So glad to see a division rival make that mistake instead. Would've preferred it was the Colts, though. :P
Supposedly now it's a 4th (which doesn't feel like top of fourth with comp picks making 3rd longer)

18 mil instead of 31 mil.

What do you think now?

 
Supposedly now it's a 4th (which doesn't feel like top of fourth with comp picks making 3rd longer)

18 mil instead of 31 mil.

What do you think now?
Sounds like a huge pay cut! (Is that for 4 years?) Still, if it was my team, I'd rather see them going bargain bin at RB, ala GB or NE, but that's not breaking the bank. Also, while a 4th is still a nice pick, it doesn't seem nearly as costly as an early 3rd.

 
Sounds like a huge pay cut! (Is that for 4 years?) Still, if it was my team, I'd rather see them going bargain bin at RB, ala GB or NE, but that's not breaking the bank. Also, while a 4th is still a nice pick, it doesn't seem nearly as costly as an early 3rd.
I think 7,3,2,2 but like I posted above that leaves four unaccounted for.

 
I think 7,3,2,2 but like I posted above that leaves four unaccounted for.
Oh sorry, just clicked on the little notification that you replied and didn't look above at the other posts. Good research. I wasn't able to find the salary details when I replied earlier.

 
FWIW there are some people that believe Whis is to blame for Sankey, Hunter, and Wright's downturn. Simply that they were all promising til Whis got his hands on em'.

I didn't like how he treated them and didn't think it fostered development at all. I'm more open-minded to the concept than picking a side. Still if you subscribe to this theory, Sankey would be far improved in 2016.

 
As of now, weeding through twitter. The pick is a third day pick so a pick in rounds 4-7. 

Murray was making  2016: $7 million base salary. 2017: $7.5 million base salary, $500k roster bonus third day of league year. 2018: $7.5 million base salary, $500k roster bonus third day of league year. 2019: $7.5 million base salary, $500k roster bonus third day of league year. (Schefter)

18 mil of that 31 mil was guaranteed. The wording seems to be he switched to only getting the guaranteed money.

7 mil in 2016

3 in 2017

2 in 2018 and 2019

That's 14 mil. I'm not seeing the other 4 mil.

Roster bonuses and rushing incentives would seem to make up the 4 mil but a bonus is not guaranteed.

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"Eating" 2016, after that the contract seems fine
alright, I'm good with this. until he tries to holdout.

 

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