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Martavis Bryant ONE YEAR SUSPENSION (1 Viewer)

Soulfly3

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Appealing currently, per Rappaport

#Steelers WR Martavis Bryant is appealing his yearlong suspension for violating @NFL substance abuse policy. CBA spells it out clearly tho.

 
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Too bad that medical science hasn't advanced enough to cut into some of these guys brains and massage common sense. Amazing opportunity slipping away. 

 
Next 12 months:

Goodell is a Nazi

Weed should be legal

LOL he so stupid

Buy low

This guy will never get it

Trading for him is the shark move

 
The steelers have brought some free agents back that they lost in previous seasons - but I doubt they bring Wallace back.  Wallace seems too selfish to come back under the right circumstances for the team.

 
"Hey you are going to make millions , only thing is you can't smoke weed"

Seriously these morons can't grasp this concept 

 
Think I'll just avoid all these guys who get the shorter suspension for violation of the substance abuse policy. Seems like most of them always end up here with the full season suspension shortly after. May or may not be true, but at least recently in the cases of Bryant, Gordon, and Blackmon. 

 
In the latest FBG WR dynasty rankings before this came out, Bryant was ranked #14 #20 #14 #19 by my colleagues, and #39 by me.  Why so low?  My yellow note attached said this:  "Had a 4 game suspension at the start of 2015 for substance abuse.  Now one strike away from a year long substance abuse ban, holding his ranking down."  That note was dated Feb. 25.

This isn't to pat myself on the back (well, maybe a little) but to stress to people that we can't just look at upside when drafting or trading for players (or ranking them), we have to understand and factor in the risks.  There was no way with his history he was a top-15-20 value in my mind.  Remember, to get a 4 game ban last year he had to have already failed two previous times.

So now he's gone for a year, and people who think they are sharks are going to 'buy low,' but consider that this is not the same as a one year injury.  Nothing has indicated he will turn things around, but instead the opposite.  Right now he is a lot closer to being the next out-of-football-permanently guy than a buy low value.  Blackmon anyone?  How many thought they were sharks buying low on him?  Yes, Bryant may make it back and have value someday, but I'm not going to assume something that is the opposite of what the facts have shown so far.

 
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Think I'll just avoid all these guys who get the shorter suspension for violation of the substance abuse policy. Seems like most of them always end up here with the full season suspension shortly after. May or may not be true, but at least recently in the cases of Bryant, Gordon, and Blackmon. 
This is probably sound advice especially when I think it takes 4 failed marijuana tests to get your first suspension and before you even get suspended you get fined 2 and 4 games for the second and third failed tests, at least I think that's how it worked. Probably more of a pipe dream or a hope than realistic expectation that someone who got themselves in this situation is going to alter their behavior anytime soon.

Still a little puzzled however on stages for marijuana suspensions. I thought the next stage from a 4 game suspension was a 10 game suspension?

 
So whats his value now. If you were trading for him and had a willing partner, what kind of draft pick is he currently worth? 2nd round pick maybe?

 
In the latest FBG WR dynasty rankings before this came out, Bryant was ranked #14 #20 #14 #19 by my colleagues, and #39 by me.  Why so low?  My yellow note attached said this:  "Had a 4 game suspension at the start of 2015 for substance abuse.  Now one strike away from a year long substance abuse ban, holding his ranking down."  That note was dated Feb. 25.

This isn't to pat myself on the back (well, maybe a little) but to stress to people that we can't just look at upside when drafting or trading for players (or ranking them), we have to understand and factor in the risks.  There was no way with his history he was a top-15-20 value in my mind.  Remember, to get a 4 game ban last year he had to have already failed two previous times.

So now he's gone for a year, and people who think they are sharks are going to 'buy low,' but consider that this is not the same as a one year injury.  Nothing has indicated he will turn things around, but instead the opposite.  Right now he is a lot closer to being the next out-of-football-permanently guy than a buy low value.  Blackmon anyone?  How many thought they were sharks buying low on him?  Yes, Bryant may make it back and have value someday, but I'm not going to assume something that is the opposite of what the facts have shown so far.
I think he's closer to #39 than #14 without the off the field issues.. Far too many talented WRs around the league to pay top end WR2 price for a guy that has proven to be inconsistent and will always be boom/bust proposition.  

The off the field issues just made it all the more easier to not own him anywhere.

 
So whats his value now. If you were trading for him and had a willing partner, what kind of draft pick is he currently worth? 2nd round pick maybe?
I guess if I owned Manziel, I might trade him for Bryant.  But of course I'd never own Manziel.  And I sure as hell would never flush a 2nd down the toilet for Bryant.

 
Thank you for this Bryant. First, one less "mouth to feed" for Green. Also, it s new a wake up call to Gordon. Win win.

 
I think he's closer to #39 than #14 without the off the field issues.. Far too many talented WRs around the league to pay top end WR2 price for a guy that has proven to be inconsistent and will always be boom/bust proposition.  

The off the field issues just made it all the more easier to not own him anywhere.
It doesn't surprise me to read that from you, since I agree with the vast majority of your posts and think you have a good handle on things.  I think though that if you do a survey of dynasty rankings from a number of sites you'll find that Bryant (before this news) has consistently been ranked a top-20 dynasty WR.  You don't agree with it, I don't agree with it, but there it is.

 
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I own him everywhere ...

What a moron.  Put the pipe down man.  We are talking about millions of dollars you are loosing.  Idiot.

 
It doesn't surprise me to read that from you, since I agree with the vast majority of your posts and think you have a good handle on things.  I think though that if you do a survey of dynasty rankings from a number of sites you'll find that Bryant (before this news) has consistently been ranked a top-20 dynasty WR.  You don't agree with it, I don't agree with it, but there it is.
Wow after the fact jacks! Listen, if you ranked him #39 based on suspension risk that is fine and makes sense but don't think it was really necessary to come pat yourself on the back about it but whatever floats your boat. But contending that he's the #39 ranked dynasty WR based on talent and having nothing to do with suspension risks is not someone who has a good handle on things.

 
Wow after the fact jacks! Listen, if you ranked him #39 based on suspension risk that is fine and makes sense but don't think it was really necessary to come pat yourself on the back about it but whatever floats your boat. But contending that he's the #39 ranked dynasty WR based on talent and having nothing to do with suspension risks is not someone who has a good handle on things.


Per Febuary ADP


Overall

1



Pos

WR



Name

Odell Beckham Jr.



Age

23



ADP

1.33



2


WR


Antonio Brown


27


2.67


3


WR


Julio Jones


26


2.83


4


WR


DeAndre Hopkins


23


3.5


5


WR


Amari Cooper


21


6.5


6


WR


Allen Robinson


22


6.83


8


WR


AJ Green


27


8.17


10


WR


Dez Bryant


27


11.17


11


WR


Mike Evans


22


11.67


13


WR


Demaryius Thomas


28


13.17


14


WR


Alshon Jeffery


25


14.67


15


WR


Sammy Watkins


22


15


16


WR


Keenan Allen


23


16.17


17


WR


Brandin Cooks


22


18.17


18


WR


Randall Cobb


25


20.17


19


WR


Martavis Bryant


24


20.33


22


WR


Jarvis Landry


23


25.67


24


WR


Jordan Matthews


23


26.33


25


WR


TY Hilton


26


26.83


28


WR


Calvin Johnson


30


30.83


29


WR


Devante Parker


22


31


31


WR


Donte Moncrief


22


34.17


32


WR


Julian Edelman


29


35.33


33


WR


Kevin White


22


35.83


35


WR


Kelvin Benjamin


24


36.83


38


WR


Michael Floyd


26


39


39


WR


Dorial Green-Beckham


22


40.33


40


WR


Jeremy Maclin


27


41.67


41


WR


Jordy Nelson


30


41.67


42


WR


Brandon Marshall


31


42.83


43


WR


Emmanuel Sanders


28


44


45


WR


Allen Hurns


24


45.5


46


WR


John Brown


25


45.67


52


WR


Stefon Diggs


22


50.83


55


WR


Josh Gordon


24


55.67


59


WR


Eric Decker


28


60


61


WR


Tyler Lockett


22


60.67


63


WR


Breshad Perriman


20


63.5


65


WR


Golden Tate


27


66.67


69


WR


Devin Funchess


21


70.67


73


WR


Davante Adams


23


73.5


74


WR


Nelson Agholor


22


74.67


75


WR


Doug Baldwin


27


74.83

I've italicized the WRs I think I'd take over Bryant in a startup..  It gets closer to 39 than you think. 

 
Wow after the fact jacks! Listen, if you ranked him #39 based on suspension risk that is fine and makes sense but don't think it was really necessary to come pat yourself on the back about it but whatever floats your boat. But contending that he's the #39 ranked dynasty WR based on talent and having nothing to do with suspension risks is not someone who has a good handle on things.
I didn't say that.  I had him ranked #39 based on talent reduced by knucklehead risk.  Wow, you seem awfully upset for some reason.

 
I didn't say that.  I had him ranked #39 based on talent reduced by knucklehead risk.  Wow, you seem awfully upset for some reason.
I am fully aware of why you said you had him ranked #39 and said I had no problem with that but you agreed with someone who said they had him ranked closer to #39 having NOTHING to do with knucklehead factor. That's the part I had issue with and still do. And please stop the BS of trying to say I seem upset because I don't agree with that opinion or your need to go around parading that you had him ranked #39 due to this risk.

 
Per Febuary ADP


Overall

1



Pos

WR



Name

Odell Beckham Jr.



Age

23



ADP

1.33



2


WR


Antonio Brown


27


2.67


3


WR


Julio Jones


26


2.83


4


WR


DeAndre Hopkins


23


3.5


5


WR


Amari Cooper


21


6.5


6


WR


Allen Robinson


22


6.83


8


WR


AJ Green


27


8.17


10


WR


Dez Bryant


27


11.17


11


WR


Mike Evans


22


11.67


13


WR


Demaryius Thomas


28


13.17


14


WR


Alshon Jeffery


25


14.67


15


WR


Sammy Watkins


22


15


16


WR


Keenan Allen


23


16.17


17


WR


Brandin Cooks


22


18.17


18


WR


Randall Cobb


25


20.17


19


WR


Martavis Bryant


24


20.33


22


WR


Jarvis Landry


23


25.67


24


WR


Jordan Matthews


23


26.33


25


WR


TY Hilton


26


26.83


28


WR


Calvin Johnson


30


30.83


29


WR


Devante Parker


22


31


31


WR


Donte Moncrief


22


34.17


32


WR


Julian Edelman


29


35.33


33


WR


Kevin White


22


35.83


35


WR


Kelvin Benjamin


24


36.83


38


WR


Michael Floyd


26


39


39


WR


Dorial Green-Beckham


22


40.33


40


WR


Jeremy Maclin


27


41.67


41


WR


Jordy Nelson


30


41.67


42


WR


Brandon Marshall


31


42.83


43


WR


Emmanuel Sanders


28


44


45


WR


Allen Hurns


24


45.5


46


WR


John Brown


25


45.67


52


WR


Stefon Diggs


22


50.83


55


WR


Josh Gordon


24


55.67


59


WR


Eric Decker


28


60


61


WR


Tyler Lockett


22


60.67


63


WR


Breshad Perriman


20


63.5


65


WR


Golden Tate


27


66.67


69


WR


Devin Funchess


21


70.67


73


WR


Davante Adams


23


73.5


74


WR


Nelson Agholor


22


74.67


75


WR


Doug Baldwin


27


74.83

I've italicized the WRs I think I'd take over Bryant in a startup..  It gets closer to 39 than you think. 
Thanks for response and I'll keep saying if you are factoring in this suspension risk I agree with the low ranking. There is a reason I owned him all over in redraft leagues last year but have never owned him in dynasty, that suspension risk was to high for his price tag.

But if the suspension was not an issue and I was just basing his ranking on talent he would be top 20 for me.

 
I am fully aware of why you said you had him ranked #39 and said I had no problem with that but you agreed with someone who said they had him ranked closer to #39 having NOTHING to do with knucklehead factor. That's the part I had issue with and still do. And please stop the BS of trying to say I seem upset because I don't agree with that opinion or your need to go around parading that you had him ranked #39 due to this risk.
You have issue with me not liking Martavis Bryant, backing it with a reasoned post and then highlighting the plethora of WRs I'd rather have before this suspension?

 
I am fully aware of why you said you had him ranked #39 and said I had no problem with that but you agreed with someone who said they had him ranked closer to #39 having NOTHING to do with knucklehead factor. That's the part I had issue with and still do. And please stop the BS of trying to say I seem upset because I don't agree with that opinion or your need to go around parading that you had him ranked #39 due to this risk.
I was agreeing with him in that I wouldn't have had him top 20 regardless of drug use risk. 

Sorry you don't like me "parading" my ranking, but as I said in my 1st post it was to stress the importance of looking at risk, something most ignore.

Have a nice day.

 
Thanks for response and I'll keep saying if you are factoring in this suspension risk I agree with the low ranking. There is a reason I owned him all over in redraft leagues last year but have never owned him in dynasty, that suspension risk was to high for his price tag.

But if the suspension was not an issue and I was just basing his ranking on talent he would be top 20 for me.
I've been pretty vocal about my contrarian view of Bryant as a football player, not factoring in his off the field stuff.  There are so many good WRs that can run a full route tree, not get lost for quarters and games and who are a higher priority on their own teams depth chart.     

 
I've been pretty vocal about my contrarian view of Bryant as a football player, not factoring in his off the field stuff.  There are so many good WRs that can run a full route tree, not get lost for quarters and games and who are a higher priority on their own teams depth chart.     
You have issue with me not liking Martavis Bryant, backing it with a reasoned post and then highlighting the plethora of WRs I'd rather have before this suspension?
That's fine and we'll agree to disagree on the talent which I think is off the charts and easily top 20.

I do however agree his ranking should never have been that high in the first place because I don't think his suspension risk was properly being put into his price. I never made a trade offer for him but the few unsolicited offers I got for him seemed to price him like the suspension was not even a factor at all and those rankings you posted above seem to support this and that I did not agree with and why again I'll mention he was one of my most owned redraft players and I own him zero places in dynasty.

The reality is I'd have put his dynasty ranking close to where Bruce had it him listed but only because of suspension risk.

 
I traded for this idiot not too long ago knowing about this risk.  It was one of those weak moments ;)

 

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