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Martavis Bryant ONE YEAR SUSPENSION

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Appealing currently, per Rappaport

 

#Steelers WR Martavis Bryant is appealing his yearlong suspension for violating @NFL substance abuse policy. CBA spells it out clearly tho.

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Just now, Soulfly3 said:

Buy low. 

No doubt.  

His legend should grow over the next 12 months.  

 

Upside.  OMG, the upside.  

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Just now, Run It Up said:

 DHB/Coates

Neither one catches ball much better than Jason Pierre-Paul.  

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I tried to trade for him about 2 weeks ago, He is owned by one of those owners who seems scared to trade, so it is very hard to get a deal done...I normally curse him for being difficult...Today I am sending him a thank you card

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3 minutes ago, massraider said:

Neither one catches ball much better than Jason Pierre-Paul.  

One of them will take a step forward. Wheaton is a bum.

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Too bad that medical science hasn't advanced enough to cut into some of these guys brains and massage common sense. Amazing opportunity slipping away. 

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Mike Wallace is still on the market. 

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Next 12 months:

 

Goodell is a Nazi

Weed should be legal

LOL he so stupid

Buy low

This guy will never get it

Trading for him is the shark move

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4 minutes ago, bud29 said:

Mike Wallace is still on the market. 

Hmmmmm......  He needs a big arm QB to be relevant again too.  

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6 minutes ago, bud29 said:

Mike Wallace is still on the market. 

Interesting. Wonder if they look at going back to that well if Wallace would accept a cap friendly contract?

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8 minutes ago, irish eyes said:

Could this be the dumbest human being on earth. Selfish #####

Blackmon, Gordon, Bryant... It'll be someone else next year.

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The steelers have brought some free agents back that they lost in previous seasons - but I doubt they bring Wallace back.  Wallace seems too selfish to come back under the right circumstances for the team.

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36 minutes ago, massraider said:

Next 12 months:

 

Goodell is a Nazi

Weed should be legal

LOL he so stupid

Buy low

This guy will never get it

Trading for him is the shark move

Funny thing  all is true

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"Hey you are going to make millions , only thing is you can't smoke weed"

Seriously these morons can't grasp this concept 

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Think I'll just avoid all these guys who get the shorter suspension for violation of the substance abuse policy. Seems like most of them always end up here with the full season suspension shortly after. May or may not be true, but at least recently in the cases of Bryant, Gordon, and Blackmon. 

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In the latest FBG WR dynasty rankings before this came out, Bryant was ranked #14 #20 #14 #19 by my colleagues, and #39 by me.  Why so low?  My yellow note attached said this:  "Had a 4 game suspension at the start of 2015 for substance abuse.  Now one strike away from a year long substance abuse ban, holding his ranking down."  That note was dated Feb. 25.

 

This isn't to pat myself on the back (well, maybe a little) but to stress to people that we can't just look at upside when drafting or trading for players (or ranking them), we have to understand and factor in the risks.  There was no way with his history he was a top-15-20 value in my mind.  Remember, to get a 4 game ban last year he had to have already failed two previous times.

 

So now he's gone for a year, and people who think they are sharks are going to 'buy low,' but consider that this is not the same as a one year injury.  Nothing has indicated he will turn things around, but instead the opposite.  Right now he is a lot closer to being the next out-of-football-permanently guy than a buy low value.  Blackmon anyone?  How many thought they were sharks buying low on him?  Yes, Bryant may make it back and have value someday, but I'm not going to assume something that is the opposite of what the facts have shown so far.

 

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13 minutes ago, Houston turmOiler said:

Think I'll just avoid all these guys who get the shorter suspension for violation of the substance abuse policy. Seems like most of them always end up here with the full season suspension shortly after. May or may not be true, but at least recently in the cases of Bryant, Gordon, and Blackmon. 

This is probably sound advice especially when I think it takes 4 failed marijuana tests to get your first suspension and before you even get suspended you get fined 2 and 4 games for the second and third failed tests, at least I think that's how it worked. Probably more of a pipe dream or a hope than realistic expectation that someone who got themselves in this situation is going to alter their behavior anytime soon.

 

Still a little puzzled however on stages for marijuana suspensions. I thought the next stage from a 4 game suspension was a 10 game suspension?

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6 minutes ago, Bruce Hammond said:

In the latest FBG WR dynasty rankings before this came out, Bryant was ranked #14 #20 #14 #19 by my colleagues, and #39 by me.  Why so low?  My yellow note attached said this:  "Had a 4 game suspension at the start of 2015 for substance abuse.  Now one strike away from a year long substance abuse ban, holding his ranking down."  That note was dated Feb. 25.

 

This isn't to pat myself on the back (well, maybe a little) but to stress to people that we can't just look at upside when drafting or trading for players (or ranking them), we have to understand and factor in the risks.  There was no way with his history he was a top-15-20 value in my mind.  Remember, to get a 4 game ban last year he had to have already failed two previous times.

 

So now he's gone for a year, and people who think they are sharks are going to 'buy low,' but consider that this is not the same as a one year injury.  Nothing has indicated he will turn things around, but instead the opposite.  Right now he is a lot closer to being the next out-of-football-permanently guy than a buy low value.  Blackmon anyone?  How many thought they were sharks buying low on him?  Yes, Bryant may make it back and have value someday, but I'm not going to assume something that is the opposite of what the facts have shown so far.

 

I think he's closer to #39 than #14 without the off the field issues.. Far too many talented WRs around the league to pay top end WR2 price for a guy that has proven to be inconsistent and will always be boom/bust proposition.  

The off the field issues just made it all the more easier to not own him anywhere.

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8 minutes ago, fruity pebbles said:

So whats his value now. If you were trading for him and had a willing partner, what kind of draft pick is he currently worth? 2nd round pick maybe?

I guess if I owned Manziel, I might trade him for Bryant.  But of course I'd never own Manziel.  And I sure as hell would never flush a 2nd down the toilet for Bryant.

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Thank you for this Bryant. First, one less "mouth to feed" for Green. Also, it s new a wake up call to Gordon. Win win.

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16 minutes ago, tone1oc said:

I think he's closer to #39 than #14 without the off the field issues.. Far too many talented WRs around the league to pay top end WR2 price for a guy that has proven to be inconsistent and will always be boom/bust proposition.  

The off the field issues just made it all the more easier to not own him anywhere.

It doesn't surprise me to read that from you, since I agree with the vast majority of your posts and think you have a good handle on things.  I think though that if you do a survey of dynasty rankings from a number of sites you'll find that Bryant (before this news) has consistently been ranked a top-20 dynasty WR.  You don't agree with it, I don't agree with it, but there it is.

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3 minutes ago, Bruce Hammond said:

It doesn't surprise me to read that from you, since I agree with the vast majority of your posts and think you have a good handle on things.  I think though that if you do a survey of dynasty rankings from a number of sites you'll find that Bryant (before this news) has consistently been ranked a top-20 dynasty WR.  You don't agree with it, I don't agree with it, but there it is.

I wasn't as down on him as you guys, but he went 19 in Feb DLF dynasty mocks.  No way I draft him until 50 in a startup...before this news

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I own him everywhere ...

What a moron.  Put the pipe down man.  We are talking about millions of dollars you are loosing.  Idiot.

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9 minutes ago, Bruce Hammond said:

It doesn't surprise me to read that from you, since I agree with the vast majority of your posts and think you have a good handle on things.  I think though that if you do a survey of dynasty rankings from a number of sites you'll find that Bryant (before this news) has consistently been ranked a top-20 dynasty WR.  You don't agree with it, I don't agree with it, but there it is.

Wow after the fact jacks! Listen, if you ranked him #39 based on suspension risk that is fine and makes sense but don't think it was really necessary to come pat yourself on the back about it but whatever floats your boat. But contending that he's the #39 ranked dynasty WR based on talent and having nothing to do with suspension risks is not someone who has a good handle on things.

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Just now, menobrown said:

Wow after the fact jacks! Listen, if you ranked him #39 based on suspension risk that is fine and makes sense but don't think it was really necessary to come pat yourself on the back about it but whatever floats your boat. But contending that he's the #39 ranked dynasty WR based on talent and having nothing to do with suspension risks is not someone who has a good handle on things.

Per Febuary ADP

Overall

1

Pos

WR

Name

Odell Beckham Jr.

Age

23

ADP

1.33

2 WR Antonio Brown 27 2.67
3 WR Julio Jones 26 2.83
4 WR DeAndre Hopkins 23 3.5
5 WR Amari Cooper 21 6.5
6 WR Allen Robinson 22 6.83
8 WR AJ Green 27 8.17
10 WR Dez Bryant 27 11.17
11 WR Mike Evans 22 11.67
13 WR Demaryius Thomas 28 13.17
14 WR Alshon Jeffery 25 14.67
15 WR Sammy Watkins 22 15
16 WR Keenan Allen 23 16.17
17 WR Brandin Cooks 22 18.17
18 WR Randall Cobb 25 20.17
19 WR Martavis Bryant 24 20.33
22 WR Jarvis Landry 23 25.67
24 WR Jordan Matthews 23 26.33
25 WR TY Hilton 26 26.83
28 WR Calvin Johnson 30 30.83
29 WR Devante Parker 22 31
31 WR Donte Moncrief 22 34.17
32 WR Julian Edelman 29 35.33
33 WR Kevin White 22 35.83
35 WR Kelvin Benjamin 24 36.83
38 WR Michael Floyd 26 39
39 WR Dorial Green-Beckham 22 40.33
40 WR Jeremy Maclin 27 41.67
41 WR Jordy Nelson 30 41.67
42 WR Brandon Marshall 31 42.83
43 WR Emmanuel Sanders 28 44
45 WR Allen Hurns 24 45.5
46 WR John Brown 25 45.67
52 WR Stefon Diggs 22 50.83
55 WR Josh Gordon 24 55.67
59 WR Eric Decker 28 60
61 WR Tyler Lockett 22 60.67
63 WR Breshad Perriman 20 63.5
65 WR Golden Tate 27 66.67
69 WR Devin Funchess 21 70.67
73 WR Davante Adams 23 73.5
74 WR Nelson Agholor 22 74.67
75 WR Doug Baldwin 27 74.83


I've italicized the WRs I think I'd take over Bryant in a startup..  It gets closer to 39 than you think. 

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7 minutes ago, menobrown said:

Wow after the fact jacks! Listen, if you ranked him #39 based on suspension risk that is fine and makes sense but don't think it was really necessary to come pat yourself on the back about it but whatever floats your boat. But contending that he's the #39 ranked dynasty WR based on talent and having nothing to do with suspension risks is not someone who has a good handle on things.

I didn't say that.  I had him ranked #39 based on talent reduced by knucklehead risk.  Wow, you seem awfully upset for some reason.

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Just now, Bruce Hammond said:

I didn't say that.  I had him ranked #39 based on talent reduced by knucklehead risk.  Wow, you seem awfully upset for some reason.

I am fully aware of why you said you had him ranked #39 and said I had no problem with that but you agreed with someone who said they had him ranked closer to #39 having NOTHING to do with knucklehead factor. That's the part I had issue with and still do. And please stop the BS of trying to say I seem upset because I don't agree with that opinion or your need to go around parading that you had him ranked #39 due to this risk.

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5 minutes ago, tone1oc said:

 

Per Febuary ADP

Overall

1

Pos

WR

Name

Odell Beckham Jr.

Age

23

ADP

1.33

2 WR Antonio Brown 27 2.67
3 WR Julio Jones 26 2.83
4 WR DeAndre Hopkins 23 3.5
5 WR Amari Cooper 21 6.5
6 WR Allen Robinson 22 6.83
8 WR AJ Green 27 8.17
10 WR Dez Bryant 27 11.17
11 WR Mike Evans 22 11.67
13 WR Demaryius Thomas 28 13.17
14 WR Alshon Jeffery 25 14.67
15 WR Sammy Watkins 22 15
16 WR Keenan Allen 23 16.17
17 WR Brandin Cooks 22 18.17
18 WR Randall Cobb 25 20.17
19 WR Martavis Bryant 24 20.33
22 WR Jarvis Landry 23 25.67
24 WR Jordan Matthews 23 26.33
25 WR TY Hilton 26 26.83
28 WR Calvin Johnson 30 30.83
29 WR Devante Parker 22 31
31 WR Donte Moncrief 22 34.17
32 WR Julian Edelman 29 35.33
33 WR Kevin White 22 35.83
35 WR Kelvin Benjamin 24 36.83
38 WR Michael Floyd 26 39
39 WR Dorial Green-Beckham 22 40.33
40 WR Jeremy Maclin 27 41.67
41 WR Jordy Nelson 30 41.67
42 WR Brandon Marshall 31 42.83
43 WR Emmanuel Sanders 28 44
45 WR Allen Hurns 24 45.5
46 WR John Brown 25 45.67
52 WR Stefon Diggs 22 50.83
55 WR Josh Gordon 24 55.67
59 WR Eric Decker 28 60
61 WR Tyler Lockett 22 60.67
63 WR Breshad Perriman 20 63.5
65 WR Golden Tate 27 66.67
69 WR Devin Funchess 21 70.67
73 WR Davante Adams 23 73.5
74 WR Nelson Agholor 22 74.67
75 WR Doug Baldwin 27 74.83


I've italicized the WRs I think I'd take over Bryant in a startup..  It gets closer to 39 than you think. 

Thanks for response and I'll keep saying if you are factoring in this suspension risk I agree with the low ranking. There is a reason I owned him all over in redraft leagues last year but have never owned him in dynasty, that suspension risk was to high for his price tag.

But if the suspension was not an issue and I was just basing his ranking on talent he would be top 20 for me.

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2 minutes ago, menobrown said:

I am fully aware of why you said you had him ranked #39 and said I had no problem with that but you agreed with someone who said they had him ranked closer to #39 having NOTHING to do with knucklehead factor. That's the part I had issue with and still do. And please stop the BS of trying to say I seem upset because I don't agree with that opinion or your need to go around parading that you had him ranked #39 due to this risk.

You have issue with me not liking Martavis Bryant, backing it with a reasoned post and then highlighting the plethora of WRs I'd rather have before this suspension?

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1 minute ago, menobrown said:

I am fully aware of why you said you had him ranked #39 and said I had no problem with that but you agreed with someone who said they had him ranked closer to #39 having NOTHING to do with knucklehead factor. That's the part I had issue with and still do. And please stop the BS of trying to say I seem upset because I don't agree with that opinion or your need to go around parading that you had him ranked #39 due to this risk.

I was agreeing with him in that I wouldn't have had him top 20 regardless of drug use risk. 

 

Sorry you don't like me "parading" my ranking, but as I said in my 1st post it was to stress the importance of looking at risk, something most ignore.

 

Have a nice day.

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1 minute ago, menobrown said:

Thanks for response and I'll keep saying if you are factoring in this suspension risk I agree with the low ranking. There is a reason I owned him all over in redraft leagues last year but have never owned him in dynasty, that suspension risk was to high for his price tag.

But if the suspension was not an issue and I was just basing his ranking on talent he would be top 20 for me.

I've been pretty vocal about my contrarian view of Bryant as a football player, not factoring in his off the field stuff.  There are so many good WRs that can run a full route tree, not get lost for quarters and games and who are a higher priority on their own teams depth chart.     

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3 minutes ago, tone1oc said:
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I've been pretty vocal about my contrarian view of Bryant as a football player, not factoring in his off the field stuff.  There are so many good WRs that can run a full route tree, not get lost for quarters and games and who are a higher priority on their own teams depth chart.     

You have issue with me not liking Martavis Bryant, backing it with a reasoned post and then highlighting the plethora of WRs I'd rather have before this suspension?

That's fine and we'll agree to disagree on the talent which I think is off the charts and easily top 20.

 

I do however agree his ranking should never have been that high in the first place because I don't think his suspension risk was properly being put into his price. I never made a trade offer for him but the few unsolicited offers I got for him seemed to price him like the suspension was not even a factor at all and those rankings you posted above seem to support this and that I did not agree with and why again I'll mention he was one of my most owned redraft players and I own him zero places in dynasty.

 

The reality is I'd have put his dynasty ranking close to where Bruce had it him listed but only because of suspension risk.

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Apparantly he missed multiple drug tests, which counts the same as a fail

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