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QB Dak Prescott, DAL (1 Viewer)
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Found this on Twitter:
1st 3 years:
comp%
dak: 65.7%
wentz:63.6%
Tom brady:61.9%
Drew Brees:61.4%
Passing Yards
Dak: 10,121
Wentz: 10,152
Tom brady:10,227
Drew Brees:8,551
Passing TDs
Dak:62
Wentz:70
Tom brady:69
Drew Brees:55
Passer rating
Dak: 95.5
Wentz:91.8
Tom brady:86.0
Drew brees:83.0
Ints
Dak:24
Wentz:28
Tom brady:38
Drew Brees:38
Sacks
Dak:102
Wentz:90
Tom brady:104
Drew Brees:63
Yards per throw
Dak:7.4 (that's weird I thought he was dink and dunk)
Wentz:7.0
Tom Brady:6.6
Drew Brees:6.7
Rushing TDs
Dak:17
Wentz:2
Tom Brady:2
Drew Brees:3
Rushing yards
Dak:940
Wentz:545
Tom brady:216
Drew Brees:299
1st 3 years:
comp%
dak: 65.7%
wentz:63.6%
Tom brady:61.9%
Drew Brees:61.4%
Passing Yards
Dak: 10,121
Wentz: 10,152
Tom brady:10,227
Drew Brees:8,551
Passing TDs
Dak:62
Wentz:70
Tom brady:69
Drew Brees:55
Passer rating
Dak: 95.5
Wentz:91.8
Tom brady:86.0
Drew brees:83.0
Ints
Dak:24
Wentz:28
Tom brady:38
Drew Brees:38
Sacks
Dak:102
Wentz:90
Tom brady:104
Drew Brees:63
Yards per throw
Dak:7.4 (that's weird I thought he was dink and dunk)
Wentz:7.0
Tom Brady:6.6
Drew Brees:6.7
Rushing TDs
Dak:17
Wentz:2
Tom Brady:2
Drew Brees:3
Rushing yards
Dak:940
Wentz:545
Tom brady:216
Drew Brees:299
Football Jones
Footballguy
This is an outstanding example of why Dak gets bashed MUCH too often & many times needlessly (even from Cowboys fans). Goff throws a bunch of picks & it's ok.
Dak has been a real find as a 4th round pick. He's regressed from his rookie season a bit, but seems to have a knack for making big plays when they need him. Is he the future? I don't know yet as a Dallas fan, but I can tell you there are other teams who would love to have him.
As far as FF, Dak is QB14 in my dynasty league which makes him a starter. If you count his numbers since Cooper arrived, he's QB7. And in that timeframe, Dak has helped Cooper become WR1 (non-PPR).
Put that in your pipe & smoke it.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Yeah, for you fantasy guys curious about Gallup’s potential, he should have at least another 200 yards and 4 TDs, probably more.
Same guy will be throwing him the ball so it depends if you’re pro Dak or not.
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Crash Davis
Footballguy
I have Cam and Dak and I think i'm going to roll with Dak this week. I just don't trust Cam right now, he doesn't look like himself.
matuski
Footballguy
He looked better the other night. And you can make stats say one thing or another.
But it doesn't change my position that Dak's arm is the Cowboys weakest link.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
matuski
Footballguy
On the big plays he got it done, but even those.. you could nit pick the throws. I mean as a kid I understood you need to put air under deep balls.
The turnovers (4 right?) - 12 targets to Zeke.
A couple more games like this and you aren't getting him for that.
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If the OL is healthy I'd start to agree with you and that's awesome. Seems like yesterday the WRs were the worst in the league and they had zero TEs.
10.8 yards per completion. I'll take that every game from Dak all day long. 78% completion rate, QB rating of 105.
3 turn overs and one of the interceptions was just a great play by the defense. 1 really bad overthrow and a sack fumble. But that fourth quarter and overtime tho: 17-20 243, 3TDs with a QB rating of 156.8.
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matuski
Footballguy
When you are resorting to (cherry picking) single games, and more specifically individual quarters - you kind of demonstrate the larger point being made.
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Steadymobbin already posted those. I was mostly agreeing with you and answering your question on the number of turn overs. Pointing out what a stud he was at the end of the game was just frosting, you can ignore that.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
There were two plays last night that to me are emblematic of why Dak is not the kind of QB that will take his team to the promised land:
1. He had about four different guys open in zone coverage and threw a bouncer between two of them.
2. He had Cooper in single coverage against a backup CB when Talib was being checked for a concussion. He noticed it and rolled out that way. But instead of throwing it downfield, he abruptly pivoted and threw a checkdown to Gathers - but he threw it behind him.
QBs that make those kinds of decisions may rack up the fantasy points but aren’t likely to spur a team to the SB.
1. He had about four different guys open in zone coverage and threw a bouncer between two of them.
2. He had Cooper in single coverage against a backup CB when Talib was being checked for a concussion. He noticed it and rolled out that way. But instead of throwing it downfield, he abruptly pivoted and threw a checkdown to Gathers - but he threw it behind him.
QBs that make those kinds of decisions may rack up the fantasy points but aren’t likely to spur a team to the SB.
Dak has three seasons of NFL experience, that isn't enought.
Look at where Peyton, Brady, Brees, Montana etc were at three seasons compared to where they ended up.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Brady won a SB in year 3. The Colts were a major contender in year 3 and much of that was due to Manning. The 49ers were on the rise in year 3 and Montana was doing very well with the system Bill Walsh designed for him. Brees didn’t shine until his final year in SD, but the team around him was terrible. So your point makes no sense to me. If someone has started at QB every game for 3 years, we can usually tell by that point whether they have “it” or not. Dak doesn’t.
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Just one example....
Peyton;s third season he had a 62.5 comp%, his career.....65.3
He had a 94.7 passer rating, his career....96.5
The same the rest, all of them having FAR better seasons later on in the career.
Give NFL QBing some time, three seasons....nay~~~~
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matuski
Footballguy
This is why stats are so hilarious. I can't figure out which is better between:
Comparing Dak's arm stats to Brady and Brees..
Comparing his running stats to Brady and Brees..
By these stats Dak should be coming out of this with a contract north of Aaron Rogers and Gurley's combined, amiright?
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
The only hilarious stat you should be concerning yourself with is the comparison of Dak and Stafford’s playoff records.This is why stats are so hilarious. I can't figure out which is better between:
Comparing Dak's arm stats to Brady and Brees..
Comparing his running stats to Brady and Brees..
By these stats Dak should be coming out of this with a contract north of Aaron Rogers and Gurley's combined, amiright?
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matuski
Footballguy
I'll credit you for going the direction of Stafford.. I mean we were headed for Joe Montana, Elway, Marino, Manning comps.
squistion
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1093985874369527808
Dak Prescott, who hopes for a new deal this offseason, on Tom Brady's team-friendly contract: "Nobody's wife makes as much money as his wife does either"
I mean, he's not wrong is he?
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1093985874369527808
Dak Prescott, who hopes for a new deal this offseason, on Tom Brady's team-friendly contract: "Nobody's wife makes as much money as his wife does either"
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Which part of that makes you go
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1093985874369527808
Dak Prescott, who hopes for a new deal this offseason, on Tom Brady's team-friendly contract: "Nobody's wife makes as much money as his wife does either"
?4/83 37G Would be my guess. That would be upper middle class starter money where guys like Newton/Rivers/Eli are.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
That seems like a fair deal. I think if you want him to sign that you gotta guarantee it all or at least 60-65 of it.
Manster
Footballguy
I get it, it's a business, and when a guy like Kirk Cousins gets a huge payday, a guy like Dak Prescott sees he can cash in for really not doing much accept being serviceable at a position that has a scarcity of quality.
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1093985874369527808
Dak Prescott, who hopes for a new deal this offseason, on Tom Brady's team-friendly contract: "Nobody's wife makes as much money as his wife does either"
It just sucks because if you pay a Dak Prescott caliber of QB, how are you going to sign enough talent to make up for his deficiencies under the salary cap?
squistion
Footballguy
But what does that have to do with his contract or anything else football related, for that matter?
Is this a trick question? It has everything to with his contract. Tom Brady isn't the norm, he's an outlier. What he makes shouldn't effect Prescott at all, so when people say well Brady only makes this much, its meaningless. Especially when guys who I personally(and I'm sure Dak himself) feel aren't as good as Prescott make more than Brady. Guys like Garoppolo, Carr, Smith, Eli, and Flacco.
Basically, Brady doesn't need the money, he's not even the breadwinner in his own home. That isn't the case for Prescott or any other QB to my knowledge. Also, keep in mind, Prescott has been playing on a day 3 rookie deal, so he's not exactly set for life.
Not that you were necessarily making this point, but I've seen it brought up enough to address it. Hypothetically, if your CEO came to you and said I'm prepared to give you 30 times your current salary, but we'll have to fire a few of your co-workers, and they may or may not be guys you like, would anyone seriously turn that down? If you would, you are a hell of a lot more selfless than I am, or possibly a rube.
Turning that down isn’t a binary choice though. If making 30x current costs 5 coworkers their jobs, for instance, I can see myself willing to take 25x and spare them. It’s not like I have to give up any giant payday at all to keep them on the company payroll, and suddenly making 25x my current salary is going to be life-changing enough.
squistion
Footballguy
No, what Tom Brady's wife makes is totally irrelevant to how much Dak Prescott or any other QB should make. It has nothing to do with Dak's contract.
Its very relevant to what Tom Brady makes. He could play for the league minimum, and his life wouldn't be even remotely different. Prescott and almost any other QB, can't. Therefore, its silly to hold any other QB to Brady's financial standard. That is what Prescott was getting at, and he was right to say as such.
Its a little more complex than that. Maybe going from 30X to 25X spares 1 guy, and you don't know ahead of time who it will be. My point was, Prescott has every reason to want the highest amount of money he can get, and its what almost everyone would/should do.
Faust
MVP
Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott drew comparisons to Warren Moon at OTAs (Yahoo Sports - Autoplay video)
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
So what's he likely to get? More than Carson numbers? I remember toward the end of last season Cowboy's fans were hoping Jerry would pay him no more than in the low $20s M per year but with NFL QB contract inflation the way it is that's a pipe dream now.
