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*** Official *** Rogue One - A Star Wars Story (1 Viewer)

Thunderlips said:
Still astonished over the amount of butthurt over people not liking that people don't like Fake Tarkin.  Guys, it's only a movie. 
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Tarkin didn't bother me at all, but Leia did a little, partly because her inclusion was gratuitous and partly because, well you know.  

More generally, I don't think I want to see movies featuring CGI-ed versions of real-life people going forward.  It's a little morbid and feels like we're replacing actual human beings with holograms.  Rogue One was a perfectly okay experiment, because there was a good reason for wanting to include a guy from 30+ years ago and because we haven't had to worry about this particular event horizon until now.  I'd just rather not see this become a standard thing.

Edit: Also, the job they did on Tarkin was outstanding.  I knew it was CGI going in, but there is no way you would have picked up on that had you not already known.  That's partly what worries me -- this sort of thing is actually do-able now in a way it never has been before.

 
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Insein said:
A partially trained Luke was toyed with and tested by Vader. Vader totally underestimated him in spots which is why he took some hits. If Vader was going all out, Luke would have been dead in seconds.
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Yeah, it wasn't about beating Luke...it was about putting him in a position to deliever him to the Emperor whiched morphed into not wanting to kill him so he could help him overtake The Emperor.  

 
Daywalker said:
For the life of me I don't understand the criticism of the cgi characters.

95% of the audience did not know Tarkin was CGI.
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I finally saw it last night in 3D.  The cgi was VERY noticeable to me.  Im curious if regular HD will be better.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Tarkin didn't bother me at all, but Leia did a little, partly because her inclusion was gratuitous and partly because, well you know.  

More generally, I don't think I want to see movies featuring CGI-ed versions of real-life people going forward.  It's a little morbid and feels like we're replacing actual human beings with holograms.  Rogue One was a perfectly okay experiment, because there was a good reason for wanting to include a guy from 30+ years ago and because we haven't had to worry about this particular event horizon until now.  I'd just rather not see this become a standard thing.

Edit: Also, the job they did on Tarkin was outstanding.  I knew it was CGI going in, but there is no way you would have picked up on that had you not already known.  That's partly what worries me -- this sort of thing is actually do-able now in a way it never has been before.
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I had no idea there was any cgi going in. I picked up on lots of it, including Tarkin immediately.   I still liked it alot.

 
Politician Spock said:
Pretty sure the people in this thread who didn't like it, or are hyperfocusing on bits they didn't like are just  :fishing: .

I don't blame them for trying. Star Wars nerds are so easy to hook it can be done with bait that isn't obvious.  
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My GF didn't care too much for it. She said she didn't like all the creatures. My mind flashed through just the Cantina scene alone and I came to the conclusion the force simply was not with her. If anything, I thought this film was very light on non-humans.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Tarkin didn't bother me at all, but Leia did a little, partly because her inclusion was gratuitous and partly because, well you know.  

More generally, I don't think I want to see movies featuring CGI-ed versions of real-life people going forward.  It's a little morbid and feels like we're replacing actual human beings with holograms.  Rogue One was a perfectly okay experiment, because there was a good reason for wanting to include a guy from 30+ years ago and because we haven't had to worry about this particular event horizon until now.  I'd just rather not see this become a standard thing.

Edit: Also, the job they did on Tarkin was outstanding.  I knew it was CGI going in, but there is no way you would have picked up on that had you not already known.  That's partly what worries me -- this sort of thing is actually do-able now in a way it never has been before.
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I knew Tarkin was CGI going in and at first I thought it was going to be a non speaking glimpse here and there with some dialogue shot from behind. Then I was like Holy Crap, dude's getting some serious screen time. It was super challenging NOT to learn anything about the film going in - even if you don't read the article, the title "How They Put Tarkin in Rogue One" kind of gives you a clue. Serious man crush on Tarkin since the moment he dismissed Leia's contempt with "Charming" in IV, so I was all  :popcorn:  for as much Tarkin as I could get.

Had zero idea young Carrie Fisher was put in and I had to stifle a scream when she turned around. Yeah it was gratuitous, but in a good way. 

 
zed2283 said:
I don't get the gratuitous comments about Leia.  It wasn't gratuitous, it directly tied the end of Rogue One with the beginning of Episode IV.
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It was the last 30 seconds of the movie and was obviously designed to solicit an OMG LEIA!!1! reaction.  Had it been a more mundane inclusion like Tarkin -- like if Leia had been a participant in the rebel council all along, it would have been different.

 
Joe Summer said:
WRONG!

Ben Kenobi: "Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights."

Kenobi only said that Vader "helped" the Empire; he never said that Vader actually wiped out the Jedi. (Also keep in mind that this was the same speech where Ben lied about Vader murdering Anakin Skywalker, so it's certainly possible that Ben was also exaggerating about Vader's involvement with the Jedi extermination.)

Lucas re-wrote Vader as a mass-murderer for the prequels, but he was NOT written that way all along.
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Okay, parse words however you want.

I still don't know who these people are that you think want to see Vader flipping around like Yoda in the prequels.

If you noticed, nobody with the force moved around like that in TFA, and Vader didn't do anything like that in Rogue One. In fact it was a pretty natural and restrained (considering the tech and choreography differences now) evolution of Vader from ESB and RoTJ. Just a steady walk forward while using the force and his lightsaber effectively, but not really flashy. Brutal efficiency.

Where are you getting this "ninja" thing from with Vader. 

Especially since almost everyone discounts the decisions Lucas made in the prequels, and even if they didn't, Vader wasn't shown in those, Anakin pre-transformation was.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
It was the last 30 seconds of the movie and was obviously designed to solicit an OMG LEIA!!1! reaction.  Had it been a more mundane inclusion like Tarkin -- like if Leia had been a participant in the rebel council all along, it would have been different.
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Well it worked.  My wife and I loved it and my 12 year old son was figuratively beside himself.

Man, the :nerd:   and miserable ******* quotient in this thread is off the friggin charts.  (Not so much you Ivan...just in general.)

 
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I really don't like CGI actors in general but I REALLY didn't like the no scroll to start this one.  That's my biggest beef.

I was also caught off guard by the space death.  It was the freakin Star Wars holocaust at the end.  Schindler's list thought it was too dark.  Wow!  And a Disney Film too.

I still liked it alot better then ROTJ.

 
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PIK95 said:
I really don't like CGI actors in general but I REALLY didn't like the no scroll to start this one.  That's my biggest beef.

I was also caught off guard by the space death.  It was the freakin Star Wars holocaust at the end.  Schindler's list thought it was too dark.  Wow!  And a Disney Film too.

I still liked it alot better then ROTJ.
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Well it's a star wars story not a true star wars.  It doesn't deserve a scroll.

 
PIK95 said:
I really don't like CGI actors in general but I REALLY didn't like the no scroll to start this one.  That's my biggest beef.

I was also caught off guard by the space death.  It was the freakin Star Wars holocaust at the end.  Schindler's list thought it was too dark.  Wow!  And a Disney Film too.

I still liked it alot better then ROTJ.
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Wow, that is saying a lot.  ROTJ is my favorite movie of all.  

 
PIK95 said:
I was also caught off guard by the space death.  It was the freakin Star Wars holocaust at the end.  Schindler's list thought it was too dark.  Wow!  And a Disney Film too.

I still liked it alot better then ROTJ.
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They had to kill them all otherwise it wouldn't have made sense that they weren't involved in the rebellion afterwards.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
They had to kill them all otherwise it wouldn't have made sense that they weren't involved in the rebellion afterwards.
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Right. I went in expecting they'd find a way to kill them all and hoping it wasn't too tidy and too obvious. But they did a good job and made it as "realistic" as possible. 

But its clear the main characters all had to die. Otherwise they'd have been heroes of the rebellion and it would make no sense that they were absent for the original trilogy.

 
Just watched it for the first time and thought it was a good movie.  Liked how they tied it together with New Hope and really answered a lot of the questions I as a casual fan (never read books) had about the source of the data and what led to the Leia.  And people need to relax about the whole CGI.  

 
rascal said:
Just watched it for the first time and thought it was a good movie.  Liked how they tied it together with New Hope and really answered a lot of the questions I as a casual fan (never read books) had about the source of the data and what led to the Leia.  And people need to relax about the whole CGI.  
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:lol:

 
Just got back.

LOVED it.

Dislikes VERY minor gripes.

- A bit difficult to follow early on with the characters and story setup about who is who, and why.  Then again, they probably assume people will watch it many times (I will) and catch on in subsequent viewings.

- A bit too much Tarkin, at least close-up wise.  They did a great job, but it was just a bit off.  They could have had more far shots or back/side views.

- Besides the 5 main rebels who snuck out and attacked the beach, the dozen or so volunteers should have been Bothans.  Maybe have a Bothan leader in the council voicing his pro-attack stance?  You know, "Many Bothans died", and all of that.

- Forest Whitaker - I like my Star Wars characters as relative unknowns.  Obviously they all have had parts before, but he stuck out for some reason.  He was the only one I saw as Forest Whitaker, not ___ _____ (whatever his name was).

Likes:

- The good guy droid.  Someone earlier said the anti-Jar Jar.  Right on.

- Leia at the end.  Maybe it was worse than Tarkin, maybe better, but is seemed better because she was on just short enough not to focus on the imperfections.

- Evizan & Walrus Man was nice, but how did they not make Evizan a 1-trick pony with a "YOU'LL BE DEAD!!!" ?

- Death Star being used at less than "Total Destruction" setting.

- Bail Organa... I'm heading back to Alderaan.  Like a horror movie - No!  Don't go there!

- Y-Wings finally shown as a bit useful.

- AT-ATs.

- ...and the X-Wings smoking them.

- Tarkin ordering the destruction of the entire Imperial base.  And the view of the Death Star aimed right at it.

As much as it was billed a "Star Wars story", it seemed like a prequel, to me.  And, easily, the best one, by far.

 
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Capella said:
At the 96 minute mark we see a droid roll by and they say it's an RU-28 unit when it's clearly a R2-24. Really took me out of the movie. 
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Not sure if you grasped the full extent of the atrocity, though.  That R2-24 died 25 years ago.  IT WAS DONE BY CGI.   :shock:    I was thoroughly distracted

 
facook said:
Well it worked.  My wife and I loved it and my 12 year old son was figuratively beside himself.

Man, the :nerd:   and miserable ******* quotient in this thread is off the friggin charts.  (Not so much you Ivan...just in general.)
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How can I agree with you so much here, but want you banned from a thread for your Breaking Bad opinion?  Or was it The Wire.  Either way.  You're wrong.  Not here.  There.

 
I read that the rights to the likeness of deceased actors reverts to the immediate family for 75 years.  After that, they go into the public domain.  So any actor who died in before 1941 is free game to make CGI and stick in a film.  

Big name actors whose likeness enters the public domain in the coming years:

2021: WC Fields

2027: Curly of the 3 stooges

2030: James Dean, Shemp of the 3 stooges

2031: Bela Lugosi

2032: Humphrey Bogart, Oliver Hardy

2034:  Alfalfa, Errol Flynn, George Reeves, Lou Costello

2035: Clark Gable

2036: Gary Cooper, Chico Marx

2037: Marilyn Monroe

2038: John F. Kennedy 

2039: Harpo Marx

2040: Stan Laurel, 

In 2037, there's going to be so many porn films starring CGI Marilyn Monroe and no one can stop it because she will be public domain.

 
No matter how much this thread tries to convince me otherwise, I enjoyed it very much.  It's hard to reconcile with all they hype but it was a fun ride with awesome action, huge sets, and great effects.  Pretty sure the writers expected us to know enough to be able to fill in the blanks of the story pieces that weren't spelled out.  

 
James Daulton said:
No matter how much this thread tries to convince me otherwise, I enjoyed it very much.  It's hard to reconcile with all they hype but it was a fun ride with awesome action, huge sets, and great effects.  Pretty sure the writers expected us to know enough to be able to fill in the blanks of the story pieces that weren't spelled out.  
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Yes.  It exceeded my expectations.  Good point in the sets.  The beach planet was really cool to have the final battle on

 
James Daulton said:
No matter how much this thread tries to convince me otherwise, I enjoyed it very much.  It's hard to reconcile with all they hype but it was a fun ride with awesome action, huge sets, and great effects.  Pretty sure the writers expected us to know enough to be able to fill in the blanks of the story pieces that weren't spelled out.  
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Is anyone really trying to do that?

Saw it again last night. I now love the things I liked before and dislike the same thing I disliked before.

The last 30 minutes of the film is pretty close to perfect.

The Leia and Tarkin characters don't work because their mouth movements look like they have Planet of the Apes masks on (same issue all humanesque CGI characters have).

But (and I'll use one syllable words so it should be clear) that does not mean the show is no good or that I did not like it or I think it should not be liked by "you". It is just the ONE thing I did not like.

You guys are overstating the "negative" opinions. Whether it's just to get someone's goat or because of reading comprehension issues, I can't tell.

 
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James Daulton said:
No matter how much this thread tries to convince me otherwise, I enjoyed it very much.  It's hard to reconcile with all they hype but it was a fun ride with awesome action, huge sets, and great effects.  Pretty sure the writers expected us to know enough to be able to fill in the blanks of the story pieces that weren't spelled out.  
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You guys are weird.  Who is doing this?

 
I just listened to a podcast with Jim Hill who is an overall Disney historian and prognosticator. 

Take it with a grain of salt, but he said that he heard though some LucasFlim people that in February, for the Oscars push, they will be rereleasing Rouge One with A New Hope playing right after as a double feature.  :eek:

 
glvsav37 said:
I just listened to a podcast with Jim Hill who is an overall Disney historian and prognosticator. 

Take it with a grain of salt, but he said that he heard though some LucasFlim people that in February, for the Oscars push, they will be rereleasing Rouge One with A New Hope playing right after as a double feature.  :eek:
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That'd be kind of awesome.  Everyone could then complain about the CGI in Rouge One, the spotty special effects in A New Hope, and whether Han or Greedo shot first.  This thread will be 1B pages long.

 
James Daulton said:
That'd be kind of awesome.  Everyone could then complain about the CGI in Rouge One, the spotty special effects in A New Hope, and whether Han or Greedo shot first.  This thread will be 1B pages long.
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Everyone would be happy.  Then the people who come in to complain about the people complaining about the movie will have something to do as well. 

Only if they show the versions with all of Lucas' stupid additions like CGI Jabba, then we will have a thread! 

 
Politician Spock said:
This thread flew past "normal" at least 10 pages ago. 
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I disagree Spock, this thread is exactly what I'd expect to see in the weeks following this movie release. You were probably not around back in '77 when EricDickersonFan26 and UltimatePatsGuy had that 5 page flame war about the size of an adult Tatoinian Womp Rat as compared to a standard Imperial thermal exhaust port.

 
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