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15 minutes ago, Raptors409 said:

Sometimes in life you don’t have to blow a chance if somebody better comes around.

 

Except Ballage came around, and he's not better.

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IIRC, he wasn't the every down back at Bama.  Gase didn't think he was best served as an every down back.  Sounds like Flores also thinks that.  

At some point, there's something to it.  

Even if he is announced as the full-time starter and Ballage tears his ACL tomorrow, it's still the Dolphins.  At some point, Josh Rosen is the Quarterback.  This isn't an offense I want to pay for pieces of.  I'll take Ballage at his ADP.  But when it starts to correct, I'm probably out on him too.

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“I know he was out there first, but I don’t really look at it that way,” Flores said Friday of Ballage working ahead of Drake, who led Miami with 1,225 all-purpose yards last season but has yet to reach 1,000 rushing yards in a season during his career.

“We’re just trying to get guys the amount of reps they need to evaluate them,” Flores continued. “So first team, second team, who goes first, who goes second, right now it’s about their improvement, getting better with their fundamentals and technique and really getting them enough reps so that we can evaluate it.”

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-training-camp-sat-20190727-34rdkyycgjab5mh4reiniaelle-story.html

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On 7/26/2019 at 11:07 PM, ConnSKINS26 said:

Of course.

But new coaching staff, he's the incumbent who impressed down the stretch, decent draft pedigree and passes the eye test...and Ballage is getting first shot at 1st team reps? 

It isn't a huge deal as guys are rotated around, but it's at least a small statement on Drake. Despite all the positives working in his favor that I listed above, he isn't getting the benefit of the doubt or even first crack necessarily. He's not impressing the people who matter more than his competition is, and that keeps happening. 

It's Miami everything is a crapshoot from here till 2021. :)

All jokes aside. New staff means really know one is going to really know what they are doing except Bill he knows what everyone is doing.

 

 

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Was intrigued by Drake's upside, but the more that comes out of camp, the more this seems - barring injury to either back -- likely to be a full-on RBBC.

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1 minute ago, Stompin' Tom Connors said:

Was intrigued by Drake's upside, but the more that comes out of camp, the more this seems - barring injury to either back -- likely to be a full-on RBBC.

...in what may be the worst offense in the league this year.

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2 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

...in what may be the worst offense in the league this year.

He should be a nice value in PPR leagues. Caught 53 passes for 477 yards last year.

That’s 100 points on the season right there. Good for 6.25 points a game and that’s excluding all things rushing and any touchdowns he might score.

He’s averaged 0.3125 touchdowns per game in his career so that puts him at about 5 touchdowns on the season.

Puts him at a floor of about 130 points or 8.125 points per game excluding rushing. Would only take about 30-40 rushing yards at about 9-10 rushes a game to crack 11-12 ppg in PPR.

 

His value has always been as a pass catcher, imo. Him losing carries to Ballage doesn’t really hurt that much as that’s never where he was scoring you points. He never eclipsed 640 rushing yards in a season.

If the offense struggles as you believe, should be a lot of garbage time checkdowns against prevent defense.

Think he’s a good buy low because people will overreact to him splitting carries even though his bread and butter pass catching role should be in-tact.

He’s not going to win you a championship but he’s a great RB3 / FLEX in PPR leagues. Should be able to hold down the fort until something better comes around.

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FWIW, NFL Network had him listed as the projected starter during their live look in to training camp.  Talked a lot about how dynamic he is and how he should be the centerpiece of the offense.  Barely mentioned Ballage.  At the end of the day, he finished RB15 last year with the same type of role.  Think poor man's James White.

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Everyone fawning over Ballage, but he hasn't even made anyone miss yet. Drake slipped 2 or 3 tackles in his limited work.

 

 

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On 8/1/2019 at 5:40 PM, Raptors409 said:

He should be a nice value in PPR leagues. Caught 53 passes for 477 yards last year.

That’s 100 points on the season right there. Good for 6.25 points a game and that’s excluding all things rushing and any touchdowns he might score.

He’s averaged 0.3125 touchdowns per game in his career so that puts him at about 5 touchdowns on the season.

Puts him at a floor of about 130 points or 8.125 points per game excluding rushing. Would only take about 30-40 rushing yards at about 9-10 rushes a game to crack 11-12 ppg in PPR.

 

His value has always been as a pass catcher, imo. Him losing carries to Ballage doesn’t really hurt that much as that’s never where he was scoring you points. He never eclipsed 640 rushing yards in a season.

If the offense struggles as you believe, should be a lot of garbage time checkdowns against prevent defense.

Think he’s a good buy low because people will overreact to him splitting carries even though his bread and butter pass catching role should be in-tact.

He’s not going to win you a championship but he’s a great RB3 / FLEX in PPR leagues. Should be able to hold down the fort until something better comes around.

Solid work here :thumbup:

His ADP is right it should be. You’re basically choosing between him, Cohen, Coleman or Murray for your Flex/RB3. I’m leaning towards the best offense (Saints) but his ADP is climbing so might not work out.

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100% agree with Raptors. All the talk of splitting carries is actually a good thing because it drops his ADP but doesn’t change his production much because the foundation of his numbers will come from receptions. And the receptions should be there because the Dolphins will likely be down near the end of most games and will look to move the ball quickly which usually means dump offs. 

In my league he finished as RB 13 with FIVE games where he had double digit carries. His highest was 14. With Ballage back there there’s no reason to believe he won’t have the same amount of carries - hell, he may even surpass his carries from last year. 

On average he is going in the 10th round on mocks via Draft Dominator. That’s top 15 production in the 10th round. I don’t know of any player that even sniffs the top 20 in the 10th round. He’s going around guys like Manny Sanders, Gallup, Sanu, et al. If you go WR/WR you can finish out the first 10 rounds with something like Fournette, Jones, Carson and Drake. RB4 with top 20 upside. Yes please. 

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3 hours ago, Elevencents said:

I’m talking my personal mocks, not the consensus. 

Might be some sample size issues there unless you’re a robot mocking a few hundred drafts a day. 

I agree with the consensus here. Let the Ballage hype build, then grab Drake later. He’ll catch a bunch of balls when the Phins are down 28-10 in the 4th. Should be a nice ppr addition.

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Things change depending on which site you use for your draft, different default rankings you know. In MFL10s, I've done a bunch of them, Drake's never gone later than the 7th; and that was right after Ballage got first team reps in TC. Usually he is gone by the 6th. 

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34 minutes ago, cloppbeast said:

Things change depending on which site you use for your draft, different default rankings you know. In MFL10s, I've done a bunch of them, Drake's never gone later than the 7th; and that was right after Ballage got first team reps in TC. Usually he is gone by the 6th. 

Consistent 5th-6th rounder across the three sites I’m using this summer. I’ve done about 150 mocks.

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I like him this year and think Ballage is a wasted pick. If I had to guess I think Drake gets 80/20 split.

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1 hour ago, Elevencents said:

I am in an IDP league so that skews things from the norm. 

Except those other guys you listed as going near Drake aren’t in IDP either. I’d abandon your expectations of getting Drake around Gallup, Sanu, Manny Sanders. 

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No K, no D, no IDP for either:

League 1 (1ppr): Drake (44), Gallup (150), Sanu (159), Sanders (142)

League 2 (0.5ppr): Drake (67), Gallup (160), Sanu (170), Sanders (127)

Not super high on Drake, but he has a decent amount of upside for a 6th round RB, tends to go around Cohen and White. Those players are ~8 rounds later. 

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49 minutes ago, Cobbler1 said:

Except those other guys you listed as going near Drake aren’t in IDP either. I’d abandon your expectations of getting Drake around Gallup, Sanu, Manny Sanders. 

I’m pulling names directly from the last mock I did. I don’t know why everyone thinks I’m lying. Didn’t think it was necessary to post screenshots. Again, this is my experience. My mocks. If it doesn’t align with yours that’s fine but don’t tell me I’m lying. 

But since few play in IDP leagues and everyone has similar mocks that are different from mine I’ll refrain from commenting further. 

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13 minutes ago, Elevencents said:

I’m pulling names directly from the last mock I did. I don’t know why everyone thinks I’m lying. Didn’t think it was necessary to post screenshots. Again, this is my experience. My mocks. If it doesn’t align with yours that’s fine but don’t tell me I’m lying. 

But since few play in IDP leagues and everyone has similar mocks that are different from mine I’ll refrain from commenting further. 

Not calling you a liar. Just looking out for you and possibly others who may think they can get Drake that late in a real draft.

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12 hours ago, Slider said:

I like him this year and think Ballage is a wasted pick. If I had to guess I think Drake gets 80/20 split.

While I think very little of Ballage myself, I'd bet my house that Drake doesn't see 80% of Dolphins RB touches. He isn't that type of RB, and frankly, there are probably only 3-4 RB's in the NFL who will see that type of workload. McCaffrey, Barkley, Elliott if he shows, and maybe Bell. I'm not super confident in those last 2 either.

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On 8/10/2019 at 12:08 PM, Elevencents said:

I’m pulling names directly from the last mock I did. I don’t know why everyone thinks I’m lying. Didn’t think it was necessary to post screenshots. Again, this is my experience. My mocks. If it doesn’t align with yours that’s fine but don’t tell me I’m lying. 

But since few play in IDP leagues and everyone has similar mocks that are different from mine I’ll refrain from commenting further. 

I've always found mocks useless. People make weird picks they would never make in a real draft just to try and look smart.

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I have a really tough time discerning how this is going to shake out between Drake and Ballage given reports out of camp. Drake seemed to be in a prime position but looks like the team is committed to an RBBC and Ballage has been playing hard in camp and even been cited to be in a position to be the lead back with Drake picking up later downs.

Too much risk to think that Drake could have RB1 upside IMHO, which is where the hype around Drake's potential was before camp opened.

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4 hours ago, Iceman03 said:

Apparently Drake got hurt today in joint practice with the Bucs. Not sure about the severity. 

I guess it was nothing serious then?

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3 minutes ago, cloppbeast said:

I guess it was nothing serious then?

Flores said he hopes he’s back tomorrow. Nothing definitive.

https://twitter.com/schadjoe/status/1161312756127195137?s=21

Read another tweet he limped off slowly.

Desperate for info, I went to rotowire. I apologize in advance & promise not to quote them again this year.

Could practice Wednesday

August 13, 2019

Coach Brian Flores hopes to see Drake (lower body) back at practice Wednesday, Joe Schad of The Palm Beach Post reports.

ANALYSIS
Drake sustained what appeared to be alower-body injury at Tuesday's practice, but it seems as though the issue is not a major concern. That notion would be reinforced by a quick return to practice on his part, come Wednesday.

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2 hours ago, zed2283 said:

Looks kind of serious.

He might have got a bruise on his thigh, or worse somebody might have stepped on in his foot. Hopefully he avoids IR. 

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Kenyan Drake was seen in a walking boot on Wednesday.

Per beat reporter Cameron Wolfe of ESPN.com, Drake suffered the injury at Tuesday's practice. It's too early to speculate on the exact nature of his injury or how long it will sideline him, though any missed time could cost Drake in his competition with backfield-mate Kalen Ballage. The two have reportedly been splitting carries throughout training camp. Mark Walton and Myles Gaskin could also benefit from Drake's absence.

SOURCE: Cameron Wolfe on Twitter

Aug 14, 2019, 9:58 AM ET

 

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Joe Schad‏Verified account @schadjoe 2m2 minutes ago

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The good news regarding Miami Dolphins Kenyan Drake is, despite being in a walking boot, his injury is not considered structural. So it could be worse. #pbpost #pbpostsports #miamidolphins

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37 minutes ago, TripleThreat said:

That's a fan account. 

Thanks, don’t see it reported anywhere else.

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Cross post from the Ballage thread:

Looking like 2019 roles might be the same. Plodder (Ballage inheriting the Gore usage) on the early downs, Drake on third downs and when they’re behind. 

Drake had a slight edge last year inside the 20.

Dolphins 2018 RZ Looks (target + rush att)

 

Ballage is an athletic guy. Doesn’t make people miss but give him enough runway he is really fast (something I’ve posted a few times in the Kalen thread.) 

For all that he does not use his size to his advantage and goes down easily. Last year he averaged 3.3 YPC when you remove his 75 yarder versus the Vikings (opening play of the second half.) Does not have good vision or recognize lanes.

On the field he def looks like a plodder to me. Just leave a lot of yards out there by not leveraging his blockers angles. He just does not have that crisp one cut and go decisiveness in his tool belt. But he should get 120 carries this year.

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1 minute ago, BobbyLayne said:

Cross post from the Ballage thread:

Looking like 2019 roles might be the same. Plodder (Ballage inheriting the Gore usage) on the early downs, Drake on third downs and when they’re behind. 

Drake had a slight edge last year inside the 20.

Dolphins 2018 RZ Looks (target + rush att)

 

Ballage is an athletic guy. Doesn’t make people miss but give him enough runway he is really fast (something I’ve posted a few times in the Kalen thread.) 

For all that he does not use his size to his advantage and goes down easily. Last year he averaged 3.3 YPC when you remove his 75 yarder versus the Vikings (opening play of the second half.) Does not have good vision or recognize lanes.

On the field he def looks like a plodder to me. Just leave a lot of yards out there by not leveraging his blockers angles. He just have that crisp one cut and go in his tool belt. But he should get 120 carries this year.

This is essentially my take on Ballage as well.  Out of curiosity what do you expect in terms of carries for Drake?   

 

I really don't know what to make of this situation.  Don't expect Drake to be a bellcow but the range of possibilities is wide.  I could see Drake taking the James White role in this offense (100 carries with most of the RB targets), but considering Drake is imo the more elusive runner, I can also see up to 180 carries + most of the RB targets.   

Unfortunately with Drakes recent injury it looks like we won't get much more clarity before the season starts.

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2 minutes ago, Modog814 said:

This is essentially my take on Ballage as well.  Out of curiosity what do you expect in terms of carries for Drake?   

 

I really don't know what to make of this situation.  Don't expect Drake to be a bellcow but the range of possibilities is wide.  I could see Drake taking the James White role in this offense (100 carries with most of the RB targets), but considering Drake is imo the more elusive runner, I can also see up to 180 carries + most of the RB targets.   

Unfortunately with Drakes recent injury it looks like we won't get much more clarity before the season starts.

When I wrote out projections last month I think I had him down for 1100 and 6. 750-4 + 45-350-2, so 181 in full PPR. I put Ballage down for 600 & 3 with 15-20 catches. 120-480-3 / 15-120-0 would be 93 points.

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As far as clarity, we expected a time share, righ? Even amongst first/second round picks, Kamara, Conner, Chubb late in season, Gurley due to knee, and Williams are all in time shares. Dominant and clear cut, for sure, but still not true bell cows. Even Carolina would prefer lightening CMC’s load.

IDC where they end up on the depth chart, I think Drake will get the bulk of the touches. He’s more efficient and has more to offer.

But coaches & usage, man... :lol: 

Who knows.

:shrug:

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