Point of this and reverse thread was basically when your opinion is stronger one way or another versus the masses.So I respect you providing your opinion and I do like Hooper, not as much as I like his landing spot but he's a solid talent.
Now that being said what I'm about to say is in the context of TE premium leagues, which is mainly what I play, and it's key to note that system generally favors high volume receiving TE's versus high TD TE's.
In this format the guy I believe is grossly undervalued is Hunter Henry, who is as pro ready as TE as I can recall entering the NFL and judging by constant rate I've been drafting him i think it's fair to say I'm way more down with him than maybe any other player in the NFL, at least with respect to this scoring system and talking dynasty. (1) Though I do think he's going to surprise people by how much he plays and contributes this year, as a few Charger beat writers have opined they think he might outsnap Gates and they are expected to run mostly two TE sets anyway.
Chargers have a great QB for at least a few more years and they target the (2) TE usually top 5 in the NFL. (3) Gates is only negative I can come up with and while I know he just signed a two year deal almost all the money was in year one, I'm dubious he sees year two and may not matter anyway.
I feel like I should thank the Ladarius Green backlash for people sleeping on Henry.
Disagree on Henry for this season, unless Gates gets hurt and misses several games. On the three bolded items:
(1) The Chargers are not expected to run mostly two TE sets. What is your source for that? They may run more two TE sets than last season, but I doubt it will be by a substantial amount. Here are some reasons I am skeptical:
- They have been an offense that plays mostly 3 WR sets under McCoy, including when Whisenhunt was OC in 2013. That was true when they had Ladarius Green to pair with Gates. Why would they run 2 TE sets substantially more with Henry and Gates than they did for Green and Gates?
- They have very rarely used a fullback under McCoy and didn't even have a true fullback on the roster last season. But there is a sense that Gordon may need that, since he played with a FB in college. The Chargers drafted one (his college FB Watt) this year and brought in another promising UDFA in Swain. So they are definitely planning to play with a fullback more often, and I seriously doubt they will also have two TEs on the field on such plays unless it is an extreme short yardage situation, which implies they would be run blocking anyway. So this will likely limit any uptick in 2 TE sets.
Aside from that, as long as Gates is healthy, he should be expected to run more routes than Henry and to be targeted more often. Last year, before the season, Gates stated that he expected to play fewer snaps but still expected to play all key downs, i.e., third downs and red zone snaps. And he did (in the games he played). He ran a lot more routes than Green and was targeted much more frequently on those routes. Even though Green played well in the games Gates missed and had shown promising flashes in previous seasons, Green was not a useful TE in games that Gates played. I don't see any reason to believe it will be different for Henry in his rookie season.
The team will also give snaps to its third TE, whether that ends up as Cumberland or McGrath.
(2) With regard to the Chargers typically being among the top 5 teams in targeting the TE, it is hard to separate that from Gates. That is, they have probably done that in large part because they have had a 1st ballot HOFer playing that position for the past decade. Once he retires or is sufficiently diminished, there is no way to know for sure if it will continue. Certainly if Henry lives up to his hype, that seems likely, but it's largely on him. It is also true that McCoy is probably coaching for his job this year, so there could be a new coaching staff in place as soon as next year, so the offense could be different.
(3) There is certainly a chance that Gates reaches his cliff this season and isn't back in 2017. But if he plays as well as he did in 2015 this year, I think it is likely he will be back. IMO he cares about trying to win a championship, which would be more likely in 2017 than this year. I also think he cares about his all-time rankings in various statistics, and 2017 could make a difference there, e.g., he could end up with more TDs than any TE in NFL history.
I do think Henry is a good long term dynasty prospect.