The Z Machine
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No confidence vote + snap referendum to confirm / halt Brexit.
Get some stones and make it happen, you fools.
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So Brexit is really going to happen on June 23rd? (1 Viewer)
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Get some stones and make it happen, you fools.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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LAUNCH
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SaintsInDome2006
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This Twitter thread does the best job I've seen explaining the situation, and how uniquely f##ked the UK is right now.
msommer
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It's a bit without nuance, but a decent read. It is spot on how the UK has pissed away any chance of pushing for reforming the EU in the future should they leave and return (or even remain)
LAUNCH
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I thought it was an interesting movie. Not knowing all the players makes it a bit tougher, but the role analytics and their manipulation of social media was interesting. I am not sure how different what is going on in Washington and Russia’s meddeling in our elections as Robert Mercer’s was in both Brexit and US votes. Mercer is a billionaire hedge fund guy who supplied his data analytics services to Nigel Farage. Cambridge Analytics and Canadian firm AggregateIQ were also major players in mining the never had voted block and used data to cause social engineering to change the outcome of the vote and democracy forever.
msommer
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BobbyLayne
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What a mess.
OK, Brexit is complicated and Parliment only knows what it does not want (but can’t come to a consensus on what it does want.)
Now explain how Man City can score inside 25 seconds of the start and go on to lose to NUFC.
SaintsInDome2006
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Phil Elliott
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According to exit polls just released ( and we all know how reliable they can be) conservatives are looking to win significant majority in election today. Labour party looking to lose highest number of seats in decades.
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caustic
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When your party leader has a net favorability rating 3x worse than Trump's, these things tend to happen.
HellToupee
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Henry Ford
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Corbyn absolutely doomed Labour. Johnson vs. Corbyn is their Trump vs. Clinton, and it's got the potential to change the U.K. landscape economically and politically for a long time.
I remember hearing Scotland and Northern Ireland are unhappy with Brexit, particularly the latter since they share a border on the island, and I believe I heard that if Brexit goes into effect, the border would become a lot harder to cross.
If that is true, I wonder if both nations step up independence/reunification talks?
If that is true, I wonder if both nations step up independence/reunification talks?
Henry Ford
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Scotland already has. In fact, anticipates that its independence party won enough seats today that the party is claiming that they're entitled to another vote.
I knew their vote a few years ago failed by not a lot, I wonder if it'll turn out differently now.
Northern Ireland would probably seek unification if anything, since that would be the most effective way to avoid any issues with Brexit.
Phil Elliott
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The contest within the contest was two “precincts” being the first to release actual results. Line of workers at each location waiting for boxes of ballots so they can literally run them over to the table to be counted/scanned.
shader
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Judging by my British twitter feed (for premier league), the conservatives were doomed. It was 9-1 in favor of the Labour Party.
Of course I follow a team in Liverpool so that’s likely it. But like the Democrats in this country, one party owns social media and celebrities and the other party won.
msommer
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The protestants (the majority) in Northern Ireland will take up arms again to ensure no union with the South
I know there's still some tension(I can't understand why, both sides worship Jesus, and it's going to be super awkward at the Pearly Gates when you see each other), but I could see them at least putting it aside if it means avoiding the worst issues in Brexit.
msommer
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timschochet
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SaintsInDome2006
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The sense I'm getting from reading round the pages is that this was an anti-Corbyn vote. The Brits seriously confuse me, I thought he was ousted or something and yet he hung around as leader nonetheless.
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IvanKaramazov
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I don't claim anything resembling expertise on UK politics, but it's baffling to me why Labor kept Corbyn as their leader. That made very little sense.
The Z Machine
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Why the party let Corbyn lead again is beyond stupid. Even if I agreed with Labour, I don't think I could vote for that guy. I would have voted for a rock covered in moss.
Phil Elliott
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Looks like Labour may end up with the fewest number of seats since 1936. SNP also having a very good night. UK may get Brexit but lose Scotland. Lot of talk in Scotland of independence from UK. Doubt Boris allows that referendum to happen. Interesting watching the media coverage. All the candidates together on a small stage at local precinct when they announce the results. Winner makes some brief comments and other candidates can make some comments if they wish. Some "Loony" parties over there. Looks like characters from the Holy Grail.
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SaintsInDome2006
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timschochet
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Which is why hopefully we won’t be dumb enough to put up a lunatic Dem as our candidate.flapgreen said:
msommer
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It would be monumentally stupid for Boris (same as David Cameron for calling the Brexit referendum in the first place) to allow a second referendum on Scotland's independence. But not doing so leaves him with a problem, the unhappiness of the Scots. Whether he can weather that remains to be seen. Obviously, the longer they are out of the EU (and this becomes the norm) the larger the chance that the independence movement runs out of steam.
Mind you, the EU doesn't want Scotland to become independent and seek admittance - because that would cause problems for a few other countries in the EU with minorities that want to break free but still be in the EU. Catalunia is only the most glaring example (but since the Spanish constitution doesn't allow separation at all it would take a changed constitution for independence to happen)
msommer
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Boris election win again raises the spectre of a No Deal Brexit. He can probably ramrod the required changes to UK law through Parliament to enable a 31st Jan Brexit. BUT he'a also stated that a fully fledged trade agreement with the EU can be done before the end of 2020, which seems optimistic to say the least. These things take a lot of time, oh and he needs to make agreements with the rest of the world at the same time or trade with them on WTO terms....
Trump has already threatened Boris that the US/UK trade agreement will be Yuuuge
Trump has already threatened Boris that the US/UK trade agreement will be Yuuuge
Punxsutawney Phil
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They voted on brexit years ago. I think the majority of people just want it to happen. Labor could have had the British Obama, that doesn't change the will of the people.
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msommer
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Don't completely agree. Corbyn is a throwback to the 70'ies socialism and he's completely to blame for the disasterous election result that Labour had.
If the leader of Labour had
1) been likable
2) not waffled on what to do with Brexit
3) stood for policies that would not pull the UK four or more decades backwards
Labour would not have been bombed back to prewar size.
Where I do agree is that for Labour to have won the election they would have had to embrace Brexit in some way
Sheriff Bart
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Putin must be so happy.
shader
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I think it’s significant to point out that it appears the Conservative party flocked to the polls. Since dems in the us don’t really appear to have a strong candidate, it seems likely to me that the upcoming election will be much closer than many think and DT might just be the front-runner.
Redwes25
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Agree completely, those districts that went Tory voted for Brexit. Labour wanted to revote on Brexit and those places wanted out and an end to the never ending gridlock on it. Corbyn was not a good leader but the real issue is Labour was divided on Brexit and not where it needed to be to one those districts and also districts they hold in very liberal urban areas.
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Redwes25
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I think Dems will flock to the polls as they hate Trump. The man is a motivator on both sides.
SaintsInDome2006
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proteus126
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I agree. Running a carping old red against Trump would be beyond stupid (if you actually care about winning). Things are pretty decent in this country overall, so selling "blowing up the system" won't fly. Run a status-quo-small-tweaks candidate (a.k.a. corporate Dem) who will behave better than Trump at home and abroad and you are in the correct lane.flapgreen said:
Yes, I am aware there are some mild and some serious issues, asymmetries, and unfairnesses in our land. But citizens appear comfortable with their ability to get on with life under the current system. The devil you know...
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If it's anything like Trump's "deal" with China, it's going to be bad for someone.
Maybe, except for the whole parts about Trump being bad at trade deals/wars, as well as it probably being his successor in 2021 actually working on the deal.
The Z Machine
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Shoulda done it 2+ years ago. He was a cancer for Labour, and they are chumps for letting him "lead". I don't think I've ever seen a premier candidate so devoid of leadership qualities.
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