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It's Christmas in July - Draft Dominator software available for your desktop

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17 hours ago, simsarge said:

Some questions...

Will this work on a Chromebook? Do I download the DD through the Google Play store or the FBG Website? Do I pay Google the $5? Will this work for In-Season Team Management (in other words, after the draft what good is it)?

I sent an email with this question and was told it does not work on a Chromebook. That made it useless for me but in fairness the classic DD doesn't install on a Chromebook either.  

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I did some quick searching in this thread, and didn't see anyone ask this, so apologies if it has been addressed already...

My local league does an in-person auction draft, for which I can't use the draft dominator, but I have used the DD's export feature in the past as a foundation for my hardcopy cheatsheet that I bring with me to the draft.  We have a big league with large rosters, and this year upon export, it cut off the player lists much earlier than it has in the past.  I don't have the exact numbers, but I feel like it cut off maybe around RB72, for example? My league probably drafts ~72 RBs, but the DD export is based on projections not rankings, so I value a guy who's projected for 0 points (but would jump dramatically if his situation/opportunity improved) vs. a guy like Kyle Jusczyk or John Kuhn or somebody who is projected for 20 carries and 2TDs, but has little chance of doing more than that, even if other RBs on their NFL teams were to get injured...

The DD itself obviously has huge player database, but is there a reason the export doesn't include the larger player list like it has in the past?   Thanks!

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7 hours ago, Tom Hagen said:

I sent an email with this question and was told it does not work on a Chromebook. That made it useless for me but in fairness the classic DD doesn't install on a Chromebook either.  

Bummer.:kicksrock: I had a free-be Surface that the classic didn't work on last year too. I was hoping to not have to use my boat anchor laptop, was psyched when I saw Dodds "All Platforms" and a bunch of people saying it worked in their Chrome browser. Glad i didn't spend the $5.

Will this new version work for in season management? I see it's still getting its sea legs for drafts, but I was thinking maybe for the during season. Even tho i'm not using the laptop in the draft, If i would be a good in season helper it would still be worth the money.

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Well I can tell I'm late to this party. This is what I get for not cracking this thread.

Do we still automatically get updates for DD if we did not get Pro? I just get the usual 1 year subscription every year.

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How old is the data in the DD? If I did not but the Pro can I rely on this? It seems like the player detail is from the early off season?

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23 hours ago, seamo said:

Well, I haven't read through this entire thread, but I have to say, so far I hate this new app on PC.  I've been using DD for several years, and thought it was the best tool available.

I'm trying to use the new version tonight it on my first auction draft of this year, and so far I have to say I don't like anything about it.

For instance, all of my old league's settings are in previous DD files, is there a way to import those files into this new version or do I have to re-enter everything manually?

I love the layout of the old DD, with multiple windows to see different aspects simultaneously, is that still possible?

Does the old DD still function?  I tried updating the projections and getting errors because of the STL Rams move to LA, so couldn't find the team.  So when I open it up, no Rams players are in the database.  Is there a way to solve this?

 

You can't use the old DD-2015 version. There is a new old DD-2016 version with the LA rams and everything. It's called "Draft Dominator Classic" on the downloads page.

 

If you used DD last year and don't want to use this new tablet-optimized cloud-sync version, download Draft Dominator Classic instead and use that.

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I've been using the DD for a few years but this newfangled version has me discombobulated.

Can someone give me the lodown on what is the best way to use it? I usually just export the rankings. Anything else I can or should be doing? Thanks.

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On 8/29/2016 at 7:07 PM, Walking Boot said:

If you used DD last year and don't want to use this new tablet-optimized cloud-sync version, download Draft Dominator Classic instead and use that.

I might do this.

 

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Just a request to help those of us downloading the desktop app...could you put the version number on the download page? That way we will know if we already have the current version and don't need to download it again.

Thanks,

RR

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I have been a faithful user of the Classic Dominator and have been fortunate to draft competitive teams every year.  Like others, I have tried the new DD version. First of all, I appreciate all the hard work Footballguys staff have devoted to the new version.  I am not sure if others have experienced the same problem, but with identical settings and projections the player rankings for the Classic and new DD version are not exact but off, sometimes 2 or more player rankings.  Has anyone else observed such discrepancies? What do you do in terms of trying to make sense out of the lack of consistency between the Classic and the New DD  in making selections?  I apologize if this is not the right place to ask this question. 

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Anyone ellse's DD go haywire tonight?  Was in the middle of preranking my players on nfl.com and all of the sudden 17 of the top 20 are WRs.

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8 minutes ago, Short Corner said:

Anyone ellse's DD go haywire tonight?  Was in the middle of preranking my players on nfl.com and all of the sudden 17 of the top 20 are WRs.

Short, I did notice some strange things with DD this evening. I am not sure, but Jason Wood's projections for RB are not available.  I have no idea if this is the reason but I also noticed the same thing as  you. I should have mentioned this in my earlier message. I changed Woods' projections to 0 and that seemed to correct the issue somewhat. 

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Setting this up, I can't figure out how to import my projections in my VBD spreadsheet into the new DD. Where do I find the import button?

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1 hour ago, nysfl2 said:

Setting this up, I can't figure out how to import my projections in my VBD spreadsheet into the new DD. Where do I find the import button?

You can't.  The new DD doesn't support this.  

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46 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

You can't.  The new DD doesn't support this.  

 

It's comical how badly they underestimated the features that heavy users like.

 

"Sharks" indeed.

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7 hours ago, dkp993 said:

You can't.  The new DD doesn't support this.  

:wall:

Nice

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So this year, two of my leagues drafted at the exact same time.

This was not an issue with DD Classic, as I just opened up two different windows and Alt+Tab'ed between them. I was even able to use two different ADP lists and could have used different sets of projections for each league.

I just assumed that the New DD would not have handled this as easily, but I could have been wrong. Would it have been possible? Didn't even try because I import ADP_User.

If New DD wouldn't support this easily, it's definitely something that I would think should be handled for next year.

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Is there any way to import a completed draft from the mobile draft dominator to DD Classic?  I ask because I like to look at how it has all the teams ranked according to team strengths which you can't do in the mobile version.

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Just an FYI for those of you who use Draft Dominator Classic: As you know, since there's no Lineup Dominator in week 1 (which makes no sense, but whatever), you could use Draft Dominator for your week 1 lineup decisions using the weekly points window.

DON'T. Projections are not importing for week 1. My league has Gronkowski scoring 12 points, for example, even though on the webpage he has no stats projected. I'm sure there are more errors, I just stopped looking after that (I'm using Gronk as my canary in the coal mine).

You'll have to manually check your projections in myfbg, if you can get it to work. I have no idea what to do for plan C if it doesn't.

 

Good luck!

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On 8/16/2016 at 7:47 AM, Simon Shepherd said:

That's not my call to make. I will only reiterate what I've said previously, that the plan is to achieve parity for 2017.

I understand your role in all this. So do not take my comments as being directed at you personally. I hope you can see our frustration and pass that along to the powers-that-be.

If Classic isn't available next year and the new DD doesn't have a way to simultaneously access all the various information contained in the multiple windows I could access in Classic (as I described in my previous post on 8/9/16) and it cannot import league settings and rosters from MFL, I will not be a subscriber or purchaser of FBG's products.  That isn't a punitive decision primarily based on anger, it's primarily motivated by inadequate product specifications versus my needs as the end user.  I only ever subscribed to FBG's because of DDC.  Despite my frustration over the lack of refinement in DDC over the years, DDC is/ was still the best program out there for how I like to run my main league auction.  I have struggled with the decision to stay with FBG's over the years over the lack of refinement in DDC, primarily over the positional break-out issue, but have stayed because DDC was still better than the competition.

I say "primarily motivated" because if DDC is dropped then the current FBG offering is no better for my uses than competitors' products. And at that point anger would be the tie-breaker against FBG's.  Because if I'm going to shell out money on an app that is inadequate for my purposes, I might as well purchase from someone new for the next few years and see if they will appreciate my brand loyalty and incorporate my feedback.  The worst that they could do is continually ignore annually repeated consumer feedback ... as FBG's has done to DDC users since I have been a subscriber.  At some point you know the Devil You Know well enough to realize things aren't going to get better.  At that point, you're better off rolling the dice on the Devil You Don't for the mere chance that things could be better.

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What are the future plans for the VBD spreadsheet?  

The way I do projections it really should be no problem for me to continue using older versions of DD Classic in conjunction with the VBD spreadsheet (I could even use an old one of those I guess).

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All comments above fully heard and jotted down and will make sure to share with Joe and David. They are already aware of the love that you guys have for the classic DD. Even if we were to ever replace it, the way in which that would need to be done would have to involve a) a huge amount of input from the biggest fans of classic DD to make sure the new system lives up to it and b) much better guides, communication, video, instructions, FAQs to help you guys figure out how to use the new app and how to achieve classic DD workflows in it. It's still early here for 2017 but I just wanted to post quickly here so you guys don't think your comments are unheard or ignored.

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48 minutes ago, Simon Shepherd said:

All comments above fully heard and jotted down and will make sure to share with Joe and David. They are already aware of the love that you guys have for the classic DD. Even if we were to ever replace it, the way in which that would need to be done would have to involve a) a huge amount of input from the biggest fans of classic DD to make sure the new system lives up to it and b) much better guides, communication, video, instructions, FAQs to help you guys figure out how to use the new app and how to achieve classic DD workflows in it. It's still early here for 2017 but I just wanted to post quickly here so you guys don't think your comments are unheard or ignored.

 

What is the explanation behind Woods projections the Friday before Labor Day weekend?  Superb timing.  Biggest draft weekend of the season and the slow/non response from support forced me to punt on the app  for both of my drafts.  

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4 minutes ago, Short Corner said:

What is the explanation behind Woods projections the Friday before Labor Day weekend?  Superb timing.  Biggest draft weekend of the season and the slow/non response from support forced me to punt on the app  for both of my drafts. 

I agree this was horrible timing. For the one time the projections got messed up to be that Friday evening was not good. Simply the games played column was missing from the projections that were uploaded to the site.

The solution will need to be that we implement more rigorous checking when people upload projections to check for this kind of error.

We will be doing more automated testing like this moving forward. One of the things that really frustrated me personally was that the Sencha testing tool we were planning on using was not up to scratch in time for when we needed it. It looks like it is now; so I'll be programming in as many tests as I can, teaching the testing platform as many different league permutations as I can think of, and then having every test run for every league.

We know we need to do better here, and we will.

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4 minutes ago, Simon Shepherd said:

I agree this was horrible timing. For the one time the projections got messed up to be that Friday evening was not good. Simply the games played column was missing from the projections that were uploaded to the site.

The solution will need to be that we implement more rigorous checking when people upload projections to check for this kind of error.

We will be doing more automated testing like this moving forward. One of the things that really frustrated me personally was that the Sencha testing tool we were planning on using was not up to scratch in time for when we needed it. It looks like it is now; so I'll be programming in as many tests as I can, teaching the testing platform as many different league permutations as I can think of, and then having every test run for every league.

We know we need to do better here, and we will.

Maybe just look at the draft list after uploading?  The fact that it was done so haphazardly shows that at least one person there doesn't give two ##### about what they are doing.  Pretty close to zero confidence going forward.  How hard is it to make a single click to check your draft list after uploading?  If people are too lazy to do that I don't know how you can count on them performing a more rigorous check.  Nobody at the wheel support wise didn't help either.  And again, on that weekend.  SMH.

I should expect as much though.  Have the rest of the perfect draft articles been published yet? [/sarcasm]

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7 minutes ago, Short Corner said:

Maybe just look at the draft list after uploading?  The fact that it was done so haphazardly shows that at least one person there doesn't give two ##### about what they are doing.  Pretty close to zero confidence going forward.  How hard is it to make a single click to check your draft list after uploading?  If people are too lazy to do that I don't know how you can count on them performing a more rigorous check.  Nobody at the wheel support wise didn't help either.  And again, on that weekend.  SMH.

I should expect as much though.  Have the rest of the perfect draft articles been published yet? [/sarcasm]

Ok, I'm sorry that in this case a sincere explanation and apology is not enough. I do understand. We'll just do what we can here to make sure that never happens again.

It's really not from lack of care. I think key staff are overloaded through August and early September and we have to make some changes there to have more eyes on this and more checking procedures that are automated too. I can assure you from the inside perspective it's certainly not down to laziness.

We had 3 people including myself on support at the time. I'm sorry we didn't get to you in what was an acceptable response time to you. All queries at that time were answered within 24 hours (our average first response time from June through August was 9 hours) but again, the best solution here is that we work hard on making sure this doesn't happen again.

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2 hours ago, Simon Shepherd said:

All comments above fully heard and jotted down and will make sure to share with Joe and David. They are already aware of the love that you guys have for the classic DD. Even if we were to ever replace it, the way in which that would need to be done would have to involve a) a huge amount of input from the biggest fans of classic DD to make sure the new system lives up to it and b) much better guides, communication, video, instructions, FAQs to help you guys figure out how to use the new app and how to achieve classic DD workflows in it. It's still early here for 2017 but I just wanted to post quickly here so you guys don't think your comments are unheard or ignored.

I don't "love" the classic DD. In fact I think it's a really bad piece of software. But it brings unique functionality, which is why I continued to use it until this year. This year I gave up and did my own spreadsheet in Google Docs. 

The things that are bad about the classic DD (UI and UX) are just as bad or worse in the new DD. And the new DD doesn't deliver any unique functionality; it's the same as every other draft tool, only not as good. 

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48 minutes ago, CalBear said:

And the new DD doesn't deliver any unique functionality; it's the same as every other draft tool, only not as good. 

What this tells me is that the new DD is doing a poor job at letting you know what it's doing under the hood. But it is so much more advanced in what it's doing there and the features it has. There isn't a single other draft tool that has half the advanced options, settings and algorithms. But we'll do better with transparency of what it's going, for sure.

As a quick example - there is no other draft tool that considers player upside as well as expected outcome. Let alone slowly increase the relevance of that automatically for you as the draft progresses. I could go on and on and on but feel like I took the bait already there so....

Ok, I'm going to get back to work here on these tools. Thanks again for everyone's input.

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59 minutes ago, CalBear said:

I don't "love" the classic DD. In fact I think it's a really bad piece of software. But it brings unique functionality, which is why I continued to use it until this year. This year I gave up and did my own spreadsheet in Google Docs. 

The things that are bad about the classic DD (UI and UX) are just as bad or worse in the new DD. And the new DD doesn't deliver any unique functionality; it's the same as every other draft tool, only not as good. 

I'd really be interested in seeing that Google spreadsheet,if you don't mind sharing. 

I did some poking around and found a really interesting excel spreadsheet on reddit. CSG's spreadsheet. Really has some amazing features. And it's not protected so you can go into the formulas and add and change as much as you'd like.

Really considering tweaking up my own for next season as what I've been using for so long has become increasingly unreliable. 

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8 minutes ago, Simon Shepherd said:

What this tells me is that the new DD is doing a poor job at letting you know what it's doing under the hood. But it is so much more advanced in what it's doing there and the features it has. There isn't a single other draft tool that has half the advanced options, settings and algorithms. But we'll do better with transparency of what it's going, for sure.

As a quick example - there is no other draft tool that considers player upside as well as expected outcome. Let alone slowly increase the relevance of that automatically for you as the draft progresses. I could go on and on and on but feel like I took the bait already there so....

Ok, I'm going to get back to work here on these tools. Thanks again for everyone's input.

See, I don't view this kind of magic as helpful; it's actually counter-productive. I'm already considering upside myself as I'm using the tool; I don't want its rankings changing based on someone else's idea of how important upside is at a given point in the auction. I'd rather have better and more display of information I can use myself, which is functionality that classic DD does have (although the UI/UX is quite poor). For example, I can see at a glance how much each team has spent, what their max bid is, and how many players they've taken at each position. I review that on the fly in every competitive auction. 

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Exactly. The focus to babysitting the user, instead of giving the shark the tool to sculpt into the shape he wants, is disheartening. It's exactly the problem with the new software. The way DD Classic could be crafted into exactly what you need was what set it apart. The way NewDD is the cookie-cutter guppy program, with all the attention on looks over functionality, and it's one-size-fits-all approach, is what makes it exactly like every other useless program out there.

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I used it for all three of my drafts (1 Auction).

I got used to it, but no way do I know how to use it. I watched the videos twice each. You guys go so fast, there's no way to really get it down. (Maybe I'm too old to get it).

1 - Didn't like that there is no look ahead and suggestions for your team as the auction or draft is going on. There is a "hunch" for other teams before they pick, but once it gets to your turn, it's "OK, your turn to dominate" Thanks. I rely on that on along with my gut feel, to form a pick.

2- Setup. I set it up for 17 players. We have keepers. The auction "Amount Left" were off all the way through. I finally had to go in on the fly and set it to 16 rounds and then it corrected itself. Big time flaw there. I would have thought Keepers would be counted among player roster size. Some had oe keeper, some had two. DD didn't have it right.

3- I want to embrace change, nut there is just so much there to learn. You would really need to take a 2-3 day course (16+ hours) to get it all. Yea in the videos you explained a lot, but you also work with it every day, so going as fast as you and Joe went was absurd.

I pay for this because I don't have the time to go through my own projections. I didn't get what I paid for, I got something I had to learn on the fly and I'm just not happy. I loved DD Classic, just enough info at your fingertips and very intuitive. This new one probably is better, but without dual monitors and MAJOR trianing, it just isn't what i was expecting.

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On 8/2/2016 at 7:31 AM, Just Win Baby said:

Simon,

IMO it would be helpful to provide us with a matrix of all total combined capabilities of DDC and the app, which would show which capabilities are implemented in 2016 DDC and 2016 app, which ones will be implemented in 2017 app, and which ones from DDC are not assigned to any future app release. Some of the frustration being expressed in this thread has to do with users having to experiment to discover for themselves what DDC capabilities are not supported in the 2016 app. Perhaps a roadmap/table would better set expectations and you would hear less frustration. I mean, surely you guys have enough intrinsic knowledge of DDC to accurately list all of its capabilities and which ones are supported vs. planned in the app, right?

@Simon Shepherd, @David Dodds, and @Joe Bryant:

More than 6 months later and early in the offseason. Can we get a matrix of features in Classic compared to what will be in the new version in 2017? Can we get insight into your backlog and what features/bugs you plan to address this year? Etc.

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