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Yeah, but they were never $17 million apart on how much should be paid in 2016 (now plus December) versus early March. They were about $10 million apart at the outset, but that shrunk to about $1.5 million by the time things got really heated. Two percent of $1.5 million is ... well, it would be a big deal to me, but should be small potatoes to Bosa and the Chargers in the context of getting him into camp.Hankmoody said:
True, that reputation has absolutely KILLED the Patriots.massraider said:
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Not sure what you are expecting. I have made it clear umpteen times that I blame the Chargers for this fiasco. I also think Bosa was stupid, and those things are not mutually exclusive. Maybe for some reason you think I have been defending the Chargers because I have been posting more about Bosa lately, but that is incorrect. I hold the Chargers much more to blame for this whole fiasco.
Yeah, in the grand scheme it seems to me that while the offset language COULD be real money, the payout schedule is pretty much peanuts compared to the overall compensation. I think that's why most teams cave on that pretty easily on that and stick harder to the offset language.
Teams have reputations which can harm them, whether you want to believe it or not. AL Davis Latter Year Raiders ring a bell?
The amount they were fighting over was a trifle to both sides. It was basically just short-term interest on a few million.
Short term interest on a few million to a college kid getting his first job, in an industry where the career expectancy is 4 years, and they make documentaries about how broke all the former players are, is NOT a trifle. Are you kidding me?
Well the Chargers have held the entire $17M this whole time, so they now have 3 free months of earnings already.
You're right.
Just a college kid getting his first job? This isn't Little Joey delivering newspapers. He has a $26MM contract with $17MM guaranteed. It's less than one hundredth of a percent of his total contract.
I think it's a $26 million contract with $26 million guaranteed. The bonus is $17 million, but the salary is guaranteed as well. (And the training camp bonuses from here on out should be givens ... although I guess maybe nothing is really a given when it comes to Bosa and training camp?)
I don't think Bosa will take a hit to his reputation directly because of the holdout at all. Once the games start, his reputation will be based on his on-field play, his (perceived) attitude, his ability to stay out of trouble off the field ... nobody will care about the holdout. Guys like Rivers and Tomlinson and Seau held out all of training camp while Ryan Leaf played his whole rookie preseason (and played very well -- definitely outplayed Peyton Manning). Nobody cares about any of that.
Producing is going to be harder with the missed time. This isn't a veteran missing some time, this is a guy who has had no adjustment to the speed and size of the league. It's going to set him back.
There's very little to discuss, salaries are slotted, it takes a truly cheap organization to screw up signing a rookie now.
Heard this same song and dance with regard to Antonio Gates. "Nobody will sign with them the way they treated Gates!!!!". Gates himself didn't care. Exact same BS take, different year.
... but you think the reason he wasn't signed was because of the Chargers "reputation" or because of the contract that was sitting in front of Bosa and his agent?
The dicussion of teams' reputation was in general terms, I have no idea why you are trying to say that anyone is suggesting that Bosa's contract problem was because of the Chargers 'reputation'.
Ah, well let me tell ya there are some confused people that post on this board that think "reputation" matters more than the actual letters and numbers on the contract in front of them. Glad to hear you aren't one of them.
I still don't understand the heat the Charger's took. Every single article I read said the offer was very, very in line with every other contract offer over the past several years if not a bit better. Yet everyone seems to blame SD and let Bosa off the hook. I don't get it.
That's true of the offer made around the time of the third preseason game (which was rejected and then eventually accepted with a few meaningless changes), but the offers made before that were not really in line with what other top five picks had received (in terms of the timing of the payment of the signing bonus).
OUT for 3 weeks already, OUT again this week. He pulled a hammy early on after he signed or pulled something. I'm not razzing you JWB, when you posted this I probably deserved some laughs. I just thought it was interesting as SD killed at least the first 1/4 of his rookie season. I wonder what the mind set is like for Bosa right now in the locker room. Is he the savior or is he a leader? Has he been named a team captain? I'm just curious how his journey is going.
I posted
in response to your post that you wouldn't let him play until week 6. It wasn't you saying he would be hurt, as he is, it was you saying you wouldn't let him play the first 5 games. You were wrong then and wrong now to bring it back up like you were right.
That's exactly what happened. They let him out there and he injured himself just practicing...or they held him back which is exactly what I said I would do.I posted
