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20 minutes ago, Chaka said:

Not doing it but tempted all the same.

:sigh:

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7 hours ago, tombonneau said:

Love it. You're doing god's work. I'm justing waiting for him to start showing consistency so I can trade Amari in dynasty. 

In ppr, ended up being a wash - 0.20 point increase.  While I don't regret the move today, I was disappointed he didn't get more targets.

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Yeah, the target numbers are disappointing but explainable due to game script but the target is really frustrating and can't be explained away.

I'm holding but my optimism is waning a bit.

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23 minutes ago, LawFitz said:

Chargers need to trade Tyrell Williams to the Cards and then it's go time.

I duno about that. Having a speedy WR3 to top the top of the defense off always helps a WR1. I think the real loser in this situation is Keenan Allen. Much of his value was him being a target monster but I think Mike Williams eats into those mostly, particularly in the RZ

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2 hours ago, Wise Old Owl said:

I duno about that. Having a speedy WR3 to top the top of the defense off always helps a WR1. I think the real loser in this situation is Keenan Allen. Much of his value was him being a target monster but I think Mike Williams eats into those mostly, particularly in the RZ

1. A speedy WR to take the top of the defense works best if the defense is afraid he is going to catch the ball. That is a problem for both Tyrell and Benjamin.

2. Allen is not going to lose targets to Mike Williams. Tyrell and Benjamin combined for 131 targets last season, and Mike Williams had 23. I expect a lot of Benjamin targets and a smaller number of Tyrell targets to shift to Mike this season. That trio might total around 150-160 targets again, but Mike should be the target leader.

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This dude is looking beastly. I didn't know he was going to be a speed guy but his first TD was a beaut. 2nd one he just outmuscled and stretched past the GL.

 

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4 minutes ago, tigerz said:

Dropped him right before kickoffs for Wilkins... ####### right here. Also dropped gio last week. 

Where did you draft him? I mean what WR was he on your team 3? 4? 5?

Overall how many WRs were drafted before him?

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2 minutes ago, Chaka said:

Where did you draft him? I mean what WR was he on your team 3? 4? 5?

Overall how many WRs were drafted before him?

15th round. actually dropped him and picked him up again last Sunday. he was like wr6. But had guys like Shepard Lockett Davis ahead of him.

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13 minutes ago, tigerz said:

Dropped him right before kickoffs for Wilkins... ####### right here. Also dropped gio last week. 

Wtf

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Took him at 10.12 as my WR4, he was the #42 WR/TE (37th WR) off the board.

I don't cut bait after two weeks anymore, which has bitten me in the ### in the past but, IMO, pays off more often than not.

With the seeming emergence of Williams (which I think is legit) the injury to AJ, Josh Gordon moving teams and the disappointment of predicting when to start Jimmy Graham I think Williams is my WR1/2 for the next few weeks (Golladay, a week 1 WW pickup is my #1 now with AJ's injury).

I think Williams will be a viable WR2 RoS with a WR3/flex downside (and maybe, just maybe, a WR1 upside). Kid looked like a player with limited opportunities, imagine if the Chargers (i.e. Rivers) commit to him as their #2? 8-10 targets per game and this guy is a monster.

 

IMO

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Tied with Allen for most targets this week (seven).  His second touchdown was a catch on fourth and two.  The team's confidence in him is growing exponentially.

 

ESPN Article

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7 minutes ago, bumpman said:

Tied with Allen for most targets this week (seven).  His second touchdown was a catch on fourth and two.  The team's confidence in him is growing exponentially.

 

ESPN Article

Rivers isn’t afraid to keep throwing it to his guy. His praise is definitely encouraging.

All aboard!

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Top 7 pick in NFL draft.  Injured all rookie season.  Everyone hates him.  

Then an interesting thing happened...he got healthy.  He is who SD thought he was when they invested a top 10 draft pick in him.

The lesson, don't give up on high draft picks who have injuries year 1.  He wasn't on the field his rookie season.  

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He looks good which is not  surprise.  Should have plenty of opportunities. 

Im liking himself over Boyd , Allison and brown in that range for ROS

hes a dominant talent. 

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18 minutes ago, ILUVBEER99 said:

Top 7 pick in NFL draft.  Injured all rookie season.  Everyone hates him.  

Then an interesting thing happened...he got healthy.  He is who SD thought he was when they invested a top 10 draft pick in him.

The lesson, don't give up on high draft picks who have injuries year 1.  He wasn't on the field his rookie season.  

I'm as big a fan as anyone but let's not call anything settled about Williams yet. The season is young.

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Not loving the matchup this week. The Chargers should be up early and by a lot.  Could be a heavy dose of rushing and time killing by the Chargers.

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6 minutes ago, Chaka said:

I'm as big a fan as anyone but let's not call anything settled about Williams yet. The season is young.

Of course it's not settled.  Many had him buried after his rookie season when he wasn't even healthy enough to play.  That's all i'm saying.

So far when we've seen him healthy he's been very good.  Throw in that he was considered an elite talent coming into the league and most signs are pointing up.  No guarantees yet either way but he's definitely not dead like many were proclaiming.  

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17 hours ago, Chaka said:

Not loving the matchup this week. The Chargers should be up early and by a lot.  Could be a heavy dose of rushing and time killing by the Chargers.

you would think this, but its the chargers they do nothing easy, the D is a sieve right now....

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4 hours ago, Shawnky said:

Flip flopping between him and Boyd at flex this week.  Very tough decision.

Damn. I'm starting both of them. 

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14 hours ago, Shawnky said:

Flip flopping between him and Boyd at flex this week.  Very tough decision.

Yeah, my flex decision is Williams or Lindsay with Callaway and Godwin also considerations.

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On 9/27/2018 at 0:12 AM, ILUVBEER99 said:

The lesson, don't give up on high draft picks who have injuries year 1.  He wasn't on the field his rookie season.  

See also Laquon Treadwell, John Ross, Corey Coleman, Josh Doctson...

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4 minutes ago, tangfoot said:

See also Laquon Treadwell, John Ross, Corey Coleman, Josh Doctson...

Did any of them ever look as good at the NFL level as MW does this season? I’m pretty sure the answer is no. 

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2 minutes ago, Just Win Baby said:

Did any of them ever look as good at the NFL level as MW does this season? I’m pretty sure the answer is no. 

We just haven't waited long enough, right?

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1 minute ago, Just Win Baby said:

Your snark is failing here.

It's not snark, JWB.  @ILUVBEER99 made an asinine blanket statement. You know that kind of cheap analysis is bull####.  Every situation is unique and requires specific data points to determine whether or not it is relevant.  To just blurt out that highly drafted rookies who get injured simply need to get healthy is useless.

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10 minutes ago, tangfoot said:

See also Laquon Treadwell, John Ross, Corey Coleman, Josh Doctson...

I get what you're saying, but BMW has shown in 3 weeks more than those guys have together combined in three years.

I just had to add him to a dynasty trade that objectively favored me, and I hated doing it. I think if he can stay healthy he is gonna be a TD monster for the next 3-4 years with Rivers.

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19 minutes ago, tombonneau said:

I get what you're saying, but BMW has shown in 3 weeks more than those guys have together combined in three years.

I just had to add him to a dynasty trade that objectively favored me, and I hated doing it. I think if he can stay healthy he is gonna be a TD monster for the next 3-4 years with Rivers.

Has he, really?  Don't get me wrong, Williams had an amazing game last week and was very good in Week 2 as well.  But are his highlights demonstrably better than the ones I've linked below?  All these guys have a ton of talent, and by looking at these highlights you could reasonably assume that they're all budding NFL stars.

https://youtu.be/9Y-bJC2fxcI

https://youtu.be/tGE_I3LMuhg

https://youtu.be/HqL3vFTtQQk

https://youtu.be/UON4VWToA30

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@Just Win Baby

If Allen sits, does Tyrell move into the slot? I think Allen technically has/had the best match-up this week against K'Wuan Williams and I would want to exploit it. Of course I'd start Mike too. 

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12 minutes ago, tangfoot said:

Has he, really?  Don't get me wrong, Williams had an amazing game last week and was very good in Week 2 as well.  But are his highlights demonstrably better than the ones I've linked below?  All these guys have a ton of talent, and by looking at these highlights you could reasonably assume that they're all budding NFL stars.

https://youtu.be/9Y-bJC2fxcI

https://youtu.be/tGE_I3LMuhg

https://youtu.be/HqL3vFTtQQk

https://youtu.be/UON4VWToA30

I'm pretty heavily invested in BMW in dynasty, but I can't shake the feeling that early this year is a sell-high point. I think I am just gunshy from my recent poor experience with young WRs, but my concern is he's more flashy highlight plays (granted a lot of them in 3 weeks) without the target or snap share to keep it up when everyone is healthy. 

I'd really love to see him finally out snap Tyrell this week. 

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47 minutes ago, tangfoot said:

Has he, really?  Don't get me wrong, Williams had an amazing game last week and was very good in Week 2 as well.  But are his highlights demonstrably better than the ones I've linked below?  All these guys have a ton of talent, and by looking at these highlights you could reasonably assume that they're all budding NFL stars.

https://youtu.be/9Y-bJC2fxcI

https://youtu.be/tGE_I3LMuhg

https://youtu.be/HqL3vFTtQQk

https://youtu.be/UON4VWToA30

Aw man... Corey... maybe one day?

That ball totally went through Doctson's hands but the defender stopped it: https://youtu.be/tGE_I3LMuhg?t=34

 

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1 hour ago, tangfoot said:

Has he, really?  Don't get me wrong, Williams had an amazing game last week and was very good in Week 2 as well.  But are his highlights demonstrably better than the ones I've linked below?  All these guys have a ton of talent, and by looking at these highlights you could reasonably assume that they're all budding NFL stars.

https://youtu.be/9Y-bJC2fxcI

https://youtu.be/tGE_I3LMuhg

https://youtu.be/HqL3vFTtQQk

https://youtu.be/UON4VWToA30

Ok so sue me for hyperbole. Point is after his first full off-season BMW is on the verge of stringing together a full month of consistent good football. 

THAT is something none of the above can say. ;)

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