whoknew
Footballguy
Again, burning a flag is a legitimate form of protest. How do you know from that that they don't want America? They want a new country that has no rules?
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
I think a large portion of them are not really protesting anything -- it is just an excuse for bad behavior. Just like a lot of the protesters in Ferguson -- what did setting a grocery store on fire have to do with police violence against blacks?
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
have you seen any of this footage? The "protestors" are in many cases holding signs while accosting these Trump people walking to their cars after the rally. There was no dispersal and delineation. And I'm not calling for an end to protesting, I would like to see some sort of comparable coverage to the narrative crafted about Trump supporters doing comparable (and frankly lesser) acts.
whoknew
Footballguy
I haven't seen the protest and I'm not defending their assaults (if there were some). What I'm objecting to is you lumping burning the american flag together with assault. Those aren't comparable actions.
sho nuff
Footballguy
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Who burns American flags in protest? Americans that love their country and want it to be great?
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
To middle America, its the same thing. Burning an American flag does not cost Trump one vote, but it likely garners him more than a handful of people.
And while its not assault proper, we generally don't burn things in the street.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
The violence outside Trump rallies last night was awful. It should be condemned by everyone, and I expect it will be. The two Democratic campaigns have already condemned it in no uncertain terms (contrast with the Trump camp's responses to violence in his name).
But as far as the bolded goes, Trump attacking a judge is a big big story. Frankly it should be a much bigger story than it already is. If you don't understand why may I humbly suggest some reading? Here's the conservative-leaning legal blog The Volokh Conspiracy on why it's so problematic. It's not something that the media or voters should be taking lightly.
3C's
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Widbil83
Footballguy
whoknew
Footballguy
People who are sick of how things are in the US and want it to be better, I reckon.
whoknew
Footballguy
1) I don't believe that's necessarily true. I grew up in middle America. There are intelligent people there.
2) And if they do believe its the same thing, that's their problem.
3C's
Footballguy
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I'm not disputing its a big story, but it was also covered for 14 hours during the day, and covered that evening in your coverage. You have YOUR REPORTER on the ground, you're not relying on a local feed, of a near riot outside of a Trump protest, and its a pretty ugly look, and you get out of that. It goes against any logical choice in news unless you're more concerned with narrative building.
Consider if we had Trump supporters, maybe some milita guys, punch people on camera, multiple, different times, burning Hilary signs, do you think there's any way that coverage gets dumped to talk about Hilary's emails?
3C's
Footballguy
whoknew
Footballguy
I said in the very post you quoted that I hadn't seen it. How is that defending them?If there were some?
Widbil83
Footballguy
I don't know how you do it General but your posts in this thread get consistently worse every day (hard work when you average 20).
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
1. Several months ago two Trump supporters beat up a homeless Hispanic man with a lead pipe and pissed on him while saying "Trump's right, people like you should be deported," Trump offered nothing to condemn it beyond saying "that's unfortunate but I have some very passionate supporters." The incident- which was certainly much more upsetting and dangerous than egg-throwing and a sucker-punch- and Trump's response was barely covered by national media. There's no bias one way or the other, they just go with whatever gets traction.
2. Hillary's emails are nothing like the story of Trump trashing the judge, but if there was a big new development in the Clinton email story last night I'm sure they would have covered it too.
3. Why were you watching CNN instead of the NBA Finals last night anyway? Get your priorities straight, man
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Smack Tripper
Footballguy
It creates an image of anarchy, and some of the protestors self identified as such. You have a candidate, promising and posturing for order, for whatever that means or is worth.
Burning a flag is your right, but no one has to like it or support it and you may even be considered to be a tremendous jagoff, particularly when you do it while waving a Mexican flag in the other hand, as happened last night.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
1. Several months ago two Trump supporters beat up a homeless Hispanic man with a lead pipe and pissed on him while saying "Trump's right, people like you should be deported," Trump offered nothing to condemn it beyond saying "that's unfortunate but I have some very passionate supporters." The incident- which was certainly much more upsetting and dangerous than egg-throwing and a sucker-punch- and Trump's response was barely covered by national media. There's no bias one way or the other, they just go with whatever gets traction.
2. Hillary's emails are nothing like the story of Trump trashing the judge, but if there was a big new development in the Clinton email story last night I'm sure they would have covered it too.
3. Why were you watching CNN instead of the NBA Finals last night anyway? Get your priorities straight, man
one California beating too many last night
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Hillary or Trump should do a great job uniting the country.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
The General
Footballguy
Contest any of the parts you didn't quote? Would love to hear your opinions.
Constant Lies - Check
Chicken - Check
Money Problems - Just threw that one in there
he supposedly is going to self-finance and he says he has lots of money.Flip-Flops every day - Check
whoknew
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whoknew
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I'm no fan of flag-burners, but the dominant theme of Trump's campaign is that America is ####ed. It's right on their hats for chrissakes- after all you can't make America great again unless it's not currently great. Trump pushes the "something is wrong with this country" message non-stop. There's more than a little
going on if Trump supporters are suddenly shocked and outraged at outsized expressions of anger towards the state of things in the country. They're doing the same damn thing you're doing, they're just doing it with fire instead of tacky trucker hats and dumb bumper stickers.
The General
Footballguy
This is all Trumpettes have to talk about. If you focus on Trump it is too embarrassing.
apalmer
Footballguy
So, you think that burning a flag to show you are sick of how things are in the US and want it to be better is crazier than supporting an unqualified, ridiculously uninformed, bigoted candidate for president to show you are sick of how things are in the US and want it to be better?
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
apalmer
Footballguy
Seriously. Do you have the same reaction to people who want to burn down the country by electing Trump just because they're sick of how things are in the US and want it to be better (numerous posters here and numerous supporters elsewhere have avowed this reason for supporting him) as you do to the idea that burning a flag can deliver that message? Are the people who support Trump for that reason bat#### nuts?
Boston
Footballguy
Thanks for having me...tell your friends to have fun burning flags and sucker-punching people they don't disagree with today...
timschochet
Footballguy
Now imagine Donald Trump sitting in the Situation Room, making life-or-death decisions on behalf of the United States. Imagine him deciding whether to send your spouses or children into battle. Imagine if he had not just his Twitter account at his disposal when he’s angry, but America’s entire arsenal.
Do we want him making those calls – someone thin-skinned and quick to anger, who lashes out at the smallest criticism? Do we want his finger anywhere near the button?
- Hillary Clinton, June 2, 2016
Do we want him making those calls – someone thin-skinned and quick to anger, who lashes out at the smallest criticism? Do we want his finger anywhere near the button?
- Hillary Clinton, June 2, 2016
timschochet
Footballguy
Donald Trump’s ideas aren’t just different – they are dangerously incoherent. They’re not even really ideas – just a series of bizarre rants, personal feuds, and outright lies.
He is not just unprepared – he is temperamentally unfit to hold an office that requires knowledge, stability and immense responsibility.
This is not someone who should ever have the nuclear codes – because it’s not hard to imagine Donald Trump leading us into a war just because somebody got under his very thin skin.
We cannot put the security of our children and grandchildren in Donald Trump’s hands. We cannot let him roll the dice with America.
This is a man who said that more countries should have nuclear weapons, including Saudi Arabia.
This is someone who has threatened to abandon our allies in NATO – the countries that work with us to root out terrorists abroad before they strike us at home.
He believes we can treat the U.S. economy like one of his casinos and default on our debts to the rest of the world, which would cause an economic catastrophe far worse than anything we experienced in 2008.
He has said that he would order our military to carry out torture and the murder of civilians who are related to suspected terrorists – even though those are war crimes.
He says he doesn’t have to listen to our generals or our admirals, our ambassadors and other high officials, because he has – quote – “a very good brain.”
He also said, “I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me.” You know what? I don’t believe him.
He says climate change is a hoax invented by the Chinese, and he has the gall to say that prisoners of war like John McCain aren’t heroes.
He praises dictators like Vladimir Putin and picks fights with our friends – including the British prime minister, the mayor of London, the German chancellor, the president of Mexico and the Pope.
He says he has foreign policy experience because he ran the Miss Universe pageant in Russia.
- Hillary Clinton, June 2, 2016
He is not just unprepared – he is temperamentally unfit to hold an office that requires knowledge, stability and immense responsibility.
This is not someone who should ever have the nuclear codes – because it’s not hard to imagine Donald Trump leading us into a war just because somebody got under his very thin skin.
We cannot put the security of our children and grandchildren in Donald Trump’s hands. We cannot let him roll the dice with America.
This is a man who said that more countries should have nuclear weapons, including Saudi Arabia.
This is someone who has threatened to abandon our allies in NATO – the countries that work with us to root out terrorists abroad before they strike us at home.
He believes we can treat the U.S. economy like one of his casinos and default on our debts to the rest of the world, which would cause an economic catastrophe far worse than anything we experienced in 2008.
He has said that he would order our military to carry out torture and the murder of civilians who are related to suspected terrorists – even though those are war crimes.
He says he doesn’t have to listen to our generals or our admirals, our ambassadors and other high officials, because he has – quote – “a very good brain.”
He also said, “I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me.” You know what? I don’t believe him.
He says climate change is a hoax invented by the Chinese, and he has the gall to say that prisoners of war like John McCain aren’t heroes.
He praises dictators like Vladimir Putin and picks fights with our friends – including the British prime minister, the mayor of London, the German chancellor, the president of Mexico and the Pope.
He says he has foreign policy experience because he ran the Miss Universe pageant in Russia.
- Hillary Clinton, June 2, 2016
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Same day these things happen:
- San Jose melee
- Ryan "endorsement" of Trump, later when asked about it by a reporter he refused to talk about it
- Full on foreign policy broadside from Hillary, Trump responds wearing a hat
- Trump attacks Curiel claiming ethnicity is a validation of legal legitimacy
And that was Thursday.
- San Jose melee
- Ryan "endorsement" of Trump, later when asked about it by a reporter he refused to talk about it
- Full on foreign policy broadside from Hillary, Trump responds wearing a hat
- Trump attacks Curiel claiming ethnicity is a validation of legal legitimacy
And that was Thursday.
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lod01
Footballguy
Trump really needs to win so we can go out and crush these losers burning American flags. I'm talking clubbing these rioters right over the head, throwing them in a bus and driving them to the US-Mex border. These low IQ sub-humans used to burn American Flags outside the US. Now we have allowed it inside.
timschochet
Footballguy
Trump really needs to lose so that we can crush anti-American ideas like the ones you've just stated.
And please don't call anyone a subhuman.
3C's
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
welcome back? get a TO recently? Have not seen this over the top rhetoric (at least from you) recently.
You all should be happy with the rioters...they took the focus off of Trump saying stupid things, his flip flopping, the beating Hillary gave him yesterday, and his idiotic attack of the federal judge.
Skoo
Footballguy
Trump is going to make peaceful protest illegal?
Doesn't sound very American to me. Sounds more like some kind of dictatorship.
sporthenry
Footballguy
Doesn't him saying this, imply that he is being racist with his proposals? I know its fairly obvious but seems like if you are going after someone for being prejudiced for something you said, it would be an acknowledgment that you said something that crossed the line.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I love how none of the Trumpkins have poked their heads up in here to actually address the substance of Hillary's speech. Raise your hands if you think Saudi Arabia as a nuclear power is a good idea. How about Trump knowing more about ISIS than the folks in the Pentagon? Torture, deliberately targeting familes? Nuking Syria?
Anyone?
Anyone?
timschochet
Footballguy
There is an unpleasant and racist element to the term "subhuman" that dates back to the Nazi era. That's why I'd prefer you didn't use it.
I have no idea how many of the anti-Trump protestors are illegal immigrants. I suspect most are not.
Hillary will not lose the White House as a result of violent protests but they certainly don't help her. I believe most women, like most voters, will support Hillary in Novelber because if for no other reason the alternative is just too awful to contemplate.
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sporthenry
Footballguy
It is funny b/c they argue both sides of the coin. First, the left can't handle free speech, but then Trump wants to turn around and limit protests and open Libel laws. The real thing under attack is freedom of speech by both parties and it is seemingly controlled by whoever wins.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Nobody is arguing both sides.
Nobody in here has defended violence that curtails free speech. People in here can handle free speech (other than Trump supporters who tell people not to post in their threads and hate every bit of criticism thrown his way...and support a man who wants to cut off much of the 1st amendment when people are mean to him).
whoknew
Footballguy
lod01
Footballguy
As we get closer and more of these losers riot, it will suck votes from your old bag and send more votes to Trump. They are actually helping his numbers....which is great because you love them.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Maybe...though, seemed he was only advocating clubbing people in the head who are already violent.
whoknew
Footballguy
Maybe. I thought he was referring to people burning American flags, but I could be wrong.
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