Where did you get that?So he baited a bear, killed it and then just left the body to rot?
A distance at which one is highly confident they can kill the animal rather than wound it and allow it to run or wander off to slowly die without being tracked and harvested by the hunter. For me we are talking 200 yards with open sights or under 400 with optics. There was a time when those distances were further out. Depending on wind, weather, and cover the distances may be much closer. On the rare occasions when I hunt with a shotgun the distances are substantially shorter.Wtf is an ethical killing range?
I'm not sure for a fact he was baiting the bear from the video, but it sure seemed that the bear was attracted to that bear can.I don't see the fun in baiting an animal and then killing it with a spear.
Yes it doesn't explicitly state that he was baiting but the fact that the "hunter" had multiple attempts with his spear and the bear kept coming back to the same spot sure makes it seem like it.I'm not sure for a fact he was baiting the bear from the video, but it sure seemed that the bear was attracted to that bear can.
Maybe I missed it but I didn't see the bear threaten the guy. In fact it ran away after his first attempt with the spear.Either way the bear was going to die....If the bear had got the better of the hunter....The authorities would hunt him down and kill him for mauling a human...
I'm fairly confident most bear hunters use big drums for their bait sites.I'm not sure for a fact he was baiting the bear from the video, but it sure seemed that the bear was attracted to that bear can.
So he baited a bear, killed it and then just left the body to rot?
"But the footage was recently republished by the Daily Mirror and Wildlife Planet, among others, and went viral, drawing outrage from critics — in part because Bowmar let the bear die on its own, leaving the area after he speared it, according to the Edmonton Journal."Where did you get that?
He was definitely baiting....and its legal in Alberta.Yes it doesn't explicitly state that he was baiting but the fact that the "hunter" had multiple attempts with his spear and the bear kept coming back to the same spot sure makes it seem like it.
Yes. In Canada baiting for bear is the method used at least 95% of the time. That was bait in the drum.I'm fairly confident most bear hunters use big drums for their bait sites.
I wasn't saying he did anything illegal. But I wouldn't call someone that baits a hunter -- they're more like fishermen.He was definitely baiting....and its legal in Alberta.
Yea I don't know, I'm just saying in general, if the bear would have defended himself and mauled the hunter....they would have killed him...Maybe I missed it but I didn't see the bear threaten the guy. In fact it ran away after his first attempt with the spear.
AgreedYea I don't know, I'm just saying in general, if the bear would have defended himself and mauled the hunter....they would have killed him...
There's a pic of him with the bear recovered in the article. So no, he didn't leave it to rot.So he baited a bear, killed it and then just left the body to rot?
"But the footage was recently republished by the Daily Mirror and Wildlife Planet, among others, and went viral, drawing outrage from critics — in part because Bowmar let the bear die on its own, leaving the area after he speared it, according to the Edmonton Journal."Where did you get that?
They left because it was dark. They came back in the morning and got the bear."But the footage was recently republished by the Daily Mirror and Wildlife Planet, among others, and went viral, drawing outrage from critics — in part because Bowmar let the bear die on its own, leaving the area after he speared it, according to the Edmonton Journal."
This article is more of the same slanted bs put out by the media to get these reactions out of folks. As a deer hunter, am I a fan of this sort of hunting? No, I don't agree with baiting (or using dogs for that matter). But he (apparently) did everything within the law. Leave him alone.They left because it was dark. They came back in the morning and got the bear."But the footage was recently republished by the Daily Mirror and Wildlife Planet, among others, and went viral, drawing outrage from critics — in part because Bowmar let the bear die on its own, leaving the area after he speared it, according to the Edmonton Journal."
thanks..that is why I phrased my initial post as a question and not a statement.There's a pic of him with the bear recovered in the article. So no, he didn't leave it to rot.
It's typical of hunters that aren't 100% sure of their shot to leave the animal over night (on evening hunts) to ensure the animal is expired before pursuing recovery. If you pursue an animal too soon that hasn't expired, you're going to push it into the next county and likely never recover it.
I'm not a bear hunter, but I can see this being even more of common practice when hunting a bear with a spear, given the safety aspect of it.
just because something is within the law doesn't make it morally right. If he wanted people to "leave him alone" he shouldn't have posted it onlineThis article is more of the same slanted bs put out by the media to get these reactions out of folks. As a deer hunter, am I a fan of this sort of hunting? No, I don't agree with baiting (or using dogs for that matter). But he (apparently) did everything within the law. Leave him alone.
thanks..that is why I phrased my initial post as a question and not a statement.They left because it was dark. They came back in the morning and got the bear.
What aspect is immoral in your opinion? Hunting? Baiting while hunting? Hunting with spear? Being excited and happy when hunting?just because something is within the law doesn't make it morally right. If he wanted people to "leave him alone" he shouldn't have posted it online
The hunting for sport is what most who find it objectionable are responding to. And certainly doing so where the animal doesn't stand a chance and the strutting after the fact, as though they have done something more impressive than say taking a dump on a homeless person.What aspect is immoral in your opinion? Hunting? Baiting while hunting? Hunting with spear? Being excited and happy when hunting?
Usually when these stories come out the outrage ends up being people who simply don't like hunting, period. It makes them uneasy and they'd rather not see or think about it.
I don't have a problem with hunting in general but have never done it and wouldn't unless it meant my survival.What aspect is immoral in your opinion? Hunting? Baiting while hunting? Hunting with spear? Being excited and happy when hunting?
Usually when these stories come out the outrage ends up being people who simply don't like hunting, period. It makes them uneasy and they'd rather not see or think about it.
Yeah I get that perspective, but then there's no hunting story other than true subsistence hunting that this crowd would accept. Like, they are flatly against sport hunting, period. Regardless of how ethical, how environmentally responsible etc it may be.The hunting for sport is what most who find it objectionable are responding to. And certainly doing so where the animal doesn't stand a chance and the strutting after the fact, as though they have done something more impressive than say taking a dump on a homeless person.
Not being in the bear baiting demographic I do not know one way or the other. I do know that when camping, fishing, or hunting in bear country that many folks transport and store items in bear-proof cans, so I can see a can such as that being at a camp site without it being a baiting station. That said, the set up sure looked to me like baiting, but again, what would I know.I'm fairly confident most bear hunters use big drums for their bait sites.
Legal or not I disapprove of the practice of baiting. That means I do not do so. If others are hunting inside the bounds of the law I leave them be without condemnation. I'm not one of those who feels that all others must share my views or comport themselves to my views.He was definitely baiting....and its legal in Alberta.
I don't see how people think it is a sport to bait an animal, kill it with a superior weapon and then gloat/post/celebrate about it. What would this DB have done if the bear was wounded and ran off?Yeah I get that perspective, but then there's no hunting story other than true subsistence hunting that this crowd would accept. Like, they are flatly against sport hunting, period. Regardless of how ethical, how environmentally responsible etc it may be.
I would be shocked to learn that his buddy who was filming this was not carrying a rifle. Seems only prudent.There's a pic of him with the bear recovered in the article. So no, he didn't leave it to rot.
It's typical of hunters that aren't 100% sure of their shot to leave the animal over night (on evening hunts) to ensure the animal is expired before pursuing recovery. If you pursue an animal too soon that hasn't expired, you're going to push it into the next county and likely never recover it.
I'm not a bear hunter, but I can see this being even more of common practice when hunting a bear with a spear, given the safety aspect of it.
Culver's baits me with their delicious Butter Burger deluxe and its slowly killing me. Probably the same thing.Legal or not I disapprove of the practice of baiting. That means I do not do so. If others are hunting inside the bounds of the law I leave them be without condemnation. I'm not one of those who feels that all others must share my views or comport themselves to my views.
I'm not saying all, but many shoppers believe steak magically appears in those packages in stores and does not actually come from a steer.I'm not saying all, but many hunters hunt for the same reason they drive a big ol' truck..
this was in Canada. Was within the law from what I understand.It's legal to bait bears. As long as he was abiding by the laws in Ohio, and I didn't read anywhere that he wasn't, good for him.
Lots of those homeless people are pretty wily. Often you have to bait them with a 40 to get them to hold still for a dumping.The hunting for sport is what most who find it objectionable are responding to. And certainly doing so where the animal doesn't stand a chance and the strutting after the fact, as though they have done something more impressive than say taking a dump on a homeless person.
Yep, my bad. I was in a hurry, didn't read closely.this was in Canada. Was within the law from what I understand.
Folks eat bear. I do not find it to my palate, but some bear hunters are doing so for more than the trophy. that said, if I had to guess, I would guess that the majority of bear hunters are trophy hunters, something which is not for me.I don't see how people think it is a sport to bait an animal, kill it with a superior weapon and then gloat/post/celebrate about it. What would this DB have done if the bear was wounded and ran off?
I know people that hunt (deer mostly) and keep the meat to feed themselves...I have no problem with that at all. Just to kill a bear (or lion or Giraffe or whatever) so you can say you did it and gloat/post online about it means nothing to me.
Yeah, well, some people don't see the fun in aiming your piss stream at an insect, but, trust me, that #### is fun.I don't see the fun in baiting an animal and then killing it with a spear.