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College Republicans always struck me as a little bit batty, frankly. Because Milo, once you heard him, wasn't taken seriously anywhere else. College Republicans and the YAF in its modern iterations have given us some interesting "lecturers." D'Souza, O'Keefe, and Milo all come to mind.  

Well, that's hyperbole -- that only College Republicans and the University pocketbooks took them seriously -- but people knew or should have known the drill with these provocateurs. They're in it for the money. Some people are, it's just that the non-profit academic speaking circuit can't wrap their heads around that.  

 
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Well, that's hyperbole -- that only College Republicans and the University pocketbooks took them seriously -- but people knew or should have known the drill with these provocateurs. They're in it for the money. Some people are, it's just that the non-profit academic speaking circuit can't wrap their heads around that.
What I took away from that article is the dollar amounts thrown at this hatemonger. He's got his book advance already. Now he's suing the publisher, presumably for at least as much as the reaminder of the deal --- $10 million. Somebody's also funding his lawsuit; he's certainly not, so there's that money being thrown at him.  Additionally somebody put up $12 million for his new media company.

That money didn't come from small contribtions. Hatemongers like him have some deep support from people with deep pockets.

 
What I took away from that article is the dollar amounts thrown at this hatemonger. He's got his book advance already. Now he's suing the publisher, presumably for at least as much as the reaminder of the deal --- $10 million. Somebody's also funding his lawsuit; he's certainly not, so there's that money being thrown at him.  Additionally somebody put up $12 million for his new media company.

That money didn't come from small contribtions. Hatemongers like him have some deep support from people with deep pockets.
That's a good point. I know somebody I used to respect was sort of enthralled by him during GamerGate and his role in all of that. I can see people like O'Keefe and D'Souza -- they were never alt-right -- but I can't wrap my own head (that phrase again) about some of the stuff coming out of the right these days. Now, the left will say it was always that way, but I had skin in the game and you'd have been drummed out of town for the #### they do. 

Breitbart and some of the nationalistic magazines (think the American Conservative) probably are still funding him. Lawyers could be working for contingency fees. What is even more troubling than the money thrown at him? Simon and Schuster had to be thinking profits on that book deal. 

i don't know, I'm glad I'm a conservative/libertarian and don't have to really sit around apologizing for the mainstream of that party, because from the alt-right to the populism to the sort of anti-intellectual vibe you get from some, it's a mess, fatness.  

The worst is that Breitbart, before he died, wasn't a hate-monger and while no saint, was more of an obnoxious gadfly to the left than a guy whose followers routinely harassed people, up to and including interrupting phone calls by tapping into them and yelling anti-Semitic remarks to Jewish people. Anyway, off my high horse. 

I just don't like it.  

 
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White nationalist Richard Spencer leads torch-bearing protesters defending Lee statue

Self-proclaimed white nationalist Richard Spencer led a large group of demonstrators carrying torches and chanting “You will not replace us” Saturday in Charlottesville, protesting plans to remove a Confederate monument that has played an outsize role in this year’s race for Virginia governor.

“What brings us together is that we are white, we are a people, we will not be replaced,” Spencer said at an afternoon protest, the first of two rallies he led in the college town where he once attended the University of Virginia.

At the second rally, dozens of torch-bearing protesters gathered in a city park Saturday evening and chanted “You will not replace us” and “Russia is our friend,” local television footage shows. Spencer was not shown addressing that gathering, but he tweeted a photo of himself standing in the crowd carrying what appeared to be a bamboo tiki torch.

The evening protest was short-lived. About 10 minutes in, an altercation between Spencer’s group and counterprotesters drew police to the scene, and the crowd quickly dispersed, the Charlottesville Daily Progress reported.

Once an obscure Internet figure promoting white identity, Spencer coined the term “alt-right” — referring to a small, far-right movement that seeks a whites-only state — and rose to prominence during Donald Trump’s presidential campaign. Although Trump denounced the alt-right, Spencer’s followers counted his victory as a win for the movement as Trump espoused hard-right stances on undocumented immigrants, Muslims and political correctness.

 
In a statement, Charlottesville Mayor Mike Signer called the event “either profoundly ignorant or was designed to instill fear in our minority populations in a way that hearkens back to the days of the KKK. Either way, as mayor of this city, I want everyone to know this: we reject this intimidation. We are a welcoming city, but such intolerance is not welcome here.”
On Twitter, Del. David J. Toscano, D-Charlottesville, called the “outrageous protests in Charlottesville this evening by apparent white supremacists” unacceptable.
“Whoever these people were, the intolerance and hatred they seek to promote is utterly disgusting and disturbing beyond words,” Erich Reimer, chairman of the Charlottesville Republican Party, said in a statement. “This is a time for our community to come together on our common values of liberty, equality and justice for all, in stark contrast to them.”
http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/torch-wielding-protesters-gather-at-lee-park/article_201dc390-384d-11e7-bf16-fb43de0f5d38.html

The Monument Fund, to which some plaintiffs in the case have ties, disavowed the demonstration and said it was not involved in it.

Elliott Harding, an attorney who is involved with the group and the litigants in the case against the city, confirmed in a text message that a statement posted from the Facebook page Save the Robert E. Lee Statue was issued by associates of The Monument Fund.

“Neither Save the Robert E. Lee Statue nor The Monument Fund were in any way involved in these events and only learned of them though media reports,” the statement said.
With picture.

 
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The mayor of the Virginia college town of Charlottesville was the target of anti-Semitic tweets on Sunday after speaking out against white nationalists who converged on a local park carrying blazing torches the night before.

Mayor Mike Signer said two protests led on Saturday by Richard Spencer, a leader of the “alt-right” movement, came on the same day the city held its annual Festival of Cultures event, which celebrates diversity in the home of the University of Virginia. “You’re seeing anti-Semitism in these crazy tweets I’m getting and you’re seeing a display of torches at night, which is reminiscent of the KKK,” Signer, who is Jewish, said in a phone interview. “They’re sort of a last gasp of the bigotry that this country has systematically overcome.” Signer issued a statement on Saturday criticizing the torch-carrying marchers as either “profoundly ignorant” or aiming to instill fear.

“I smell Jew,” posted an anonymous Twitter user with the handle “Great Patriot Trump.” “If so, you are going back to Israel. But you will not stay in power here. Not for long.”
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Wayne Allyn Root Tells Men Never To Date A Liberal Woman Who Hates Trump Because ‘She’ll Cut Your Pee-Pee Off’

“Find me a woman who is a feminist and a liberal and likes cats and I will find you someone who ought to be in an insane asylum every single time,” Root bellowed. “Hey guys, if any of you out there are single and you ever meet a woman who admits to being a liberal and hating Trump and when you get to her house, she’s got cats, run for your life. Run, run, run. Like those ads in Britain, run and hide and tell other men to run and hide.”

“No man can ever live with a liberal woman with cats,” he continued. “She’ll cut your pee-pee off, I promise you. Liberals are mentally unstable and mentally insane. They’re unhinged.”

 
Clinton Foundation Investigator Has Investigation Interrupted By Kiddie Porn Charges

A year before Democrats were hacked by Russia, a self-styled “investigator” in Florida attempted to hack the Clinton Foundation, searching for evidence that the Clintons were secretly funding jihad. When authorities seized his computers, they found pictures of the hacker sexually abusing a baby.

Timothy Sedlak, 44, was sentenced on Monday to 18 months in prison for the hacking attack, to which he pleaded guilty. He will serve the year-and-a-half sentence concurrently with a 42-year sentence for production and possession of child pornography. The child pornography case, in which Sedlak was found guilty in May 2016, may have never been discovered had Sedlak not attempted to confirm nebulous right-wing rumors that the Clinton Foundation funded terrorism.

In June and July 2015, months after Hillary Clinton announced her presidential campaign, staffers at the Clinton Foundation began experiencing trouble logging into their work email, according to a criminal complaint in Sedlak’s case. Employees found themselves locked out of their accounts, or unexpectedly redirected after logging in. Stymied, the foundation asked employees to change their passwords.

Investigators soon discovered that two IP addresses had attempted to log into Clinton Foundation accounts nearly 400,000 times over those two months. Both IP addresses traced back to Sedlak’s home in Ocoee, Florida.

The attacks prompted the Secret Service to raid the home, where they found a den of 30 computers and notes on the Clintons, including on the servers Sedlak hoped to hack. Sedlak was attempting to enter email servers, using email combinations that included the word “jihad,” the complaint said.

After his arrest, Sedlak told investigators he attempted the hacks while “conducting ‘research’ of charitable organizations to try to determine if such organizations are unintentionally financing jihadist groups by sending, to charitable organizations in the Middle East, funds which are then seized by jihadist groups,” according to the criminal complaint.

Sedlak’s claims mirror those made against the Clinton family by the far right for years. Conservative critics have repeatedly attempted to tie the Clinton Foundation to terrorism, with limited success and increasing degrees of panic as the allegations trickled from more mainstream websites like the Free Beacon, which published “Clinton Foundation, Hamas Share Major Donor” (the donor was the nation of Qatar), to further-right publications like Front Page Magazine, which ran the headline “WILL HILLARY RETURN MONEY FROM LOBBYIST FOR RAPE JIHAD REGIME?”

On his resume, Sedlak presented himself as a private investigator. His LinkedIn page lists him as an “investigator” at “Surveillance Associates, LLC.” Florida business records show Sedlak registered the company in 2005, although he is the only person associated with the company in any of its filings. But Sedlak’s investigator credential was fabricated, prosecutors say.

“In order to work as a private investigator, one must be licensed,” a criminal complaint against Sedlak reads. “The defendant currently does not have a license to work as a private investigator in the state of Florida.”

His attempted hacking tactics were also illegal. When investigators seized approximately 30 computers from his home, they found a brute force password cracking tool in some of the computers. The tool is used to launch “a relentless barrage of passwords at a log in to guess the password utilizing a password list compiled by the hacker,” the criminal complaint reads.

But investigators soon discovered far worse than a hacking tool. During a search on Sedlak’s home on Sept. 11, 2015, investigators noticed a number of children’s toys, unusual for a man who lived alone with no children. Then, while conducting a forensic investigation on one of the 30 computers seized from Sedlak’s home, researchers discovered a trove of child pornography.

Nearly 400 images appeared to have been downloaded from the internet, or obtained through a third party, researchers concluded. But some images appeared to show Sedlak sexually abusing a 1-year-old and a 3-year-old child.

A jury found Sedlak guilty of producing and possessing child pornography in May 2016. During the trial, the jury learned that Sedlak had also attempted to hack a Manhattan-based charity, but the jurors did not learn that the charity was the Clinton Foundation.

In a statement during his sentencing Monday, Sedlak apologized to some of his victims: the Clinton Foundation staffers he had attempted to hack.

“I’ve hurt many people in different ways with what I’ve done, including everyone who uses electronic mail by making them feel insecure,” Sedlak said in a prepared statement, according to Courthouse News. “I know I caused them to be afraid for their privacy and to feel violated.”
He can continue his investigation after his 42 year sentence is completed.  

 
Sarah E. Bond, a historian of Rome who works as an assistant professor in the classics department at the University of Iowa, has received death threats and is being targeted by the alt-right for publishing an article on polychromy in the ancient world. “They viewed the piece as ‘liberal professor says that all white statues are racist,’” Bond told Lauren Cavalli of artforum.com. “And that is clearly not what the piece is about.”

Titled “Why We Need to Start Seeing the Classical World in Color,” the piece discusses race and whiteness as a social construct. According to Bond, the Greeks and Romans of antiquity did not classify people as “white,” and many of the classical marble sculptures, sarcophagi, and steles from the Mediterranean were originally painted—frequently in gold, red, green, black, white, and brown. As the pigments deteriorated over time, art historians, including Johann Joachim Winckelmann—an eighteenth-century scholar considered by many to be the father of the art historical discipline—perpetuated the idea that the white marble statues of ancient peoples represent an ideal beauty, a notion that still fuels white supremacists today.
Bond said that shortly after the essay went live last week, conservative media platforms including Campus Watch, The Blaze, and the National Review published articles that included quotes from her piece, taken out of context, under headlines such as “College Professor Says White Marble Statue Promotes Racism.”

“What they want to believe is that there is a liberal professor that is so sensitive to race issues that she will make race issues out of anything,” Bond said. “They want to make me an example of the hyper-liberalization of the academy.”

Bond began receiving dozens of hateful emails threatening violence, calling her derogatory names, and saying she ought to be fired. Some assailants made anti-Semitic remarks after learning that she partially identifies as ethnically Jewish. She became a target for internet trolls almost overnight. Joe Pags Pagliarulo, a conservative radio talk show host, even mentioned the article while on air, inciting people to harass the professor even more.
https://www.artforum.com/news/id=68963

 
Jesse Lee Peterson Says Democrats At Congressional Baseball Game Were Praying To Satan

Right-wing commentator Jesse Lee Peterson kicked off his radio show on Friday by again insisting that Democrats who prayed for Rep. Steve Scalise and others who were shot last week are a bunch of frauds because all Democrats really worship Satan.

Peterson was outraged by photos of Democrats and Republicans kneeling together in prayer ahead of the annual congressional baseball game, declaring that “it’s so pitiful to hear people think that the Democrats are united with the Republicans.”

“It was a phony prayer,” Peterson said. “Democrats, liberals do not believe in God. They were praying to their father, the devil.”

 
It's fascinating to me how reviled Satanism is by the right wing folk considering their beliefs really aren't too dissimilar from Ayn Rand type beliefs they're often touting. 

 
1967 interview of UK fascist leader Oswald Mosley on the Robert Frost Show on BBC.

- Note the constant denials of antisemitism, and the constant claims of denial of free speech.

- The counter march that is raised by members of the audience was the beginning of the original "antifa" ie antifascist movement.
The problem is that modern antifa is essentially a mashup of anarchists, communists, and have adopted many fascist tactics of their own. They're no better than the alt-right/neo-Nazis.

 
The problem is that modern antifa is essentially a mashup of anarchists, communists, and have adopted many fascist tactics of their own. They're no better than the alt-right/neo-Nazis.
One thing I noticed in that Mosely interview was the account by the guy in the audience who said that the people opposing the Blackshirts on the street were shopkeepers and ordinary folks who turned out. That was great but it was different than the organization which exists today.

 
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The problem is that modern antifa is essentially a mashup of anarchists, communists, and have adopted many fascist tactics of their own. They're no better than the alt-right/neo-Nazis.
All true.

But only one of the two has been coddled by a major political party for the better part of a decade lifetime.

 
Coddled.  :lmao:

It's like the far left in academia hasn't existed since the late sixties. The Democrats never had to coddle the new left and the new new left because they took the party over. 

For God's sakes, one of The Weather Underground was chosen to blurb a presidential candidate's book. Can you imagine if the Rs pulled this with Nazis? 

 
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Consider that the democrats employed a specific set of tactics over the course of the last 50 years to defeat the republicans.  These tactics have resulted in the destruction of the democrats party.  These tactics are now being used against the alt-right. The democrats now control the west coast and the northeast, and the current political alignment will keep them irrelevant in national politics.  The republicans seem to be starting to move left the DREAM act comes to mind) to capture the low hanging fruit of the democrat party to marginalize the democrats even further.  

The democrat party has no future in US politics.  By embracing the DREAM act, the republicans should be able to pick off enough latino democrats to permanently destroy the democrats.  The future is the republicans vs the alt right.  

Republicans:  right wing, embraces immigrant concerns

alt-right:  right wing, tough on immigration

the democrats:  control a few states, have no power.

 
Current US policy is the democrats are a left wing fringe group that will never be taken seriously again, the republicans are trying to convert latino democrats into republicans by support of the DREAM act (Many latinos are democrats only for the immigration issue anyway), the alt-right is converting anti-immigration republicans into alt-right nazis.  

 
 The democrat party has no future in US politics.  By embracing the DREAM act, the republicans should be able to pick off enough latino democrats to permanently destroy the democrats.  The future is the republicans vs the alt right.  
Once again, it is The Democratic Party, not The Democrat Party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet)

Democrat Party is an epithet for the Democratic Party in the United States, used in a disparaging fashion by the party's opponents.

 
Consider that the democrats employed a specific set of tactics over the course of the last 50 years to defeat the republicans.  These tactics have resulted in the destruction of the democrats party.  These tactics are now being used against the alt-right. The democrats now control the west coast and the northeast, and the current political alignment will keep them irrelevant in national politics.  The republicans seem to be starting to move left the DREAM act comes to mind) to capture the low hanging fruit of the democrat party to marginalize the democrats even further.  

The democrat party has no future in US politics.  By embracing the DREAM act, the republicans should be able to pick off enough latino democrats to permanently destroy the democrats.  The future is the republicans vs the alt right.  
I think the future is dips!itz vs. people with brains in their heads.

 
alt-right isn't a political movement to amount to anything, nether is alt-left even with all the antifa and BLM

radical movements don't work in the USA very often do they ?

 
On a related note, Trump tweeted today:

 "Ralph Northam,who is running for Governor of Virginia,is fighting for the violent MS-13 killer gangs & sanctuary cities. Vote Ed Gillespie!"

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Nice way to rile up the racists.

 
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Somehow totally insane and not remotely surprising at the same time.
The part I found most amazing was the part that described liberal journalists who were secretly helping Milo out behind the scenes.  Not a crack on liberal journalists, just that it's weird to think about somebody maintaining one public/professional persona while also having an entirely different identity when nobody is looking.  We're all used to seeing this kind of thing when it comes to sexual mores, but I can't recall seeing such blatant ideological double-dealing before.

 
The part I found most amazing was the part that described liberal journalists who were secretly helping Milo out behind the scenes.  Not a crack on liberal journalists, just that it's weird to think about somebody maintaining one public/professional persona while also having an entirely different identity when nobody is looking.  We're all used to seeing this kind of thing when it comes to sexual mores, but I can't recall seeing such blatant ideological double-dealing before.
Yes, that was weird and troubling, as is this whole movement. But the group I'm most disappointed in is the techies, who seem to be drawn to the alt-right movement disproportionately to their numbers. My techie son-in-law has a portrait of Trump in his home office.

 
Yes, that was weird and troubling, as is this whole movement. But the group I'm most disappointed in is the techies, who seem to be drawn to the alt-right movement disproportionately to their numbers. My techie son-in-law has a portrait of Trump in his home office.
Yikes.  How's that go over?  How well do you two interact?

 
Yes, that was weird and troubling, as is this whole movement. But the group I'm most disappointed in is the techies, who seem to be drawn to the alt-right movement disproportionately to their numbers. My techie son-in-law has a portrait of Trump in his home office.
Both groups draw heavily from the "guys who couldn't get laid in high school and college" demographic.

 
I think the racists are a small minority.
I love my blackness. 

I love your blackness. 

Allowed in a World where America is white supremacy and the Moors didn’t defeat the kings and queens of England. 

Obama was not always wrong.

Take for example his words about racism written in the DNA of Americans. 

I had a thread around here that always seems to get deleted. 

59 million Americans are not here because they were deleted.

Is it racist to ask why did you think Mexicans could replace the future of America you aborted?

Yes the alt right movement you saidgave us the Charlottesville narrative of 

Im sorry you all seem to think 

AMERICA

was white supremacy. 

America was just America. 

Mexicans will not replace it.

You do know who you all are right?

Every single one of us. 

 
On a related note, Trump tweeted today:

 "Ralph Northam,who is running for Governor of Virginia,is fighting for the violent MS-13 killer gangs & sanctuary cities. Vote Ed Gillespie!"

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Nice way to rile up the racists.
The real problem is you have tens of millions of people in the rust belt, the great lakes, and the south that trudge thru a pointless life and are faced with either working 30 years at mcdonalds while being told by the democrats that america is fine OR listening to radical ideas about revolt from people like the nazis.   Its just a matter of time before revolt happens.  Getting rid of Trump fixes nothing.  

The media sees this as growing racism among white people and doesn't seem to grasp the fundamental and deep loss of faith in everything that is driving all of this.  We cannot continue on our current course as a nation. 

If you are expecting people to go "oh i would be ashamed to be called a racist by the rich and powerful so i better keep flipping these big macs for 30 years in my pointless life while the elites flood my country with illegals and take everything from me" you are in for a rude awakening. For too many white males, society makes them feel ashamed, neglected and forgotten.  Then here comes a group like the nazis who offer them something to be proud of, its not hard to see what is going to happen.

 
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