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Should Armando Salguero be fired?! Phins' beat writer (1 Viewer)

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Miami Herald game summary and I will simply let you read thru it but if you don't take your time you might miss how the entire article after the first few lines is pretty much an attack on the 4 Miami Dolphins players who took a knee during the National Anthem. I sort of am hard pressed to post this in the SP vs the FFA but that's the rub. He is to report on the game and the play on the field, seemed like there was plenty to discuss but instead Salguero focused on the 4 players that took a knee.

-I also was under the impression that all Phins were in uniformity that there was no protest. 

-I agree with Salguero pointing out their hypocrisy but why not a separate article detailing it all?

I have a feeling this column will get discussed when it is passed around. The title is innocent compared to the opinion/report inside. 

I'm torn on this one. There is a large Cuban population down here and his opinion probably speaks for a lot of them, not all but certainly a good chunk. 

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Title reads...


Dolphins fail to finish in heartbreaking opener


BY ARMANDO SALGUERO
 
SEATTLE 



Why is it never easy with these Miami Dolphins?













 
 
 

 
Adam Beasley recaps Dolphins' last minute loss against the Seahawks 1:45




 


 




 



 




 









 
Adam Beasley talks about the Fins defeat to the Seattle Seahawks 12-10, in Seattle. Charles Trainor Jr. ctrainor@miamiherald.com



Why is it seemingly always a convoluted mess of great defense one half or one series and then a fallback to giving up a winning drive?

Why is it the quarterback can put the team on his shoulders as Ryan Tannehill did late Sunday in this thunder dome of a stadium and lead the team to an apparent winning score, only to have those heroics erased by poor complimentary football and the failure too stop Russell Wilson’s own heroics?

Why is it the Seattle Seahawks, a group about as socially active as any in the NFL, can agree they are a team and unless everyone consents to showing support for a protest about the killing of some African Americans by some police, then nobody is going to do it?

Why is it the Dolphins cannot reach such an agreement?

The Dolphins on Sunday had 49 or so players and dozens of coaches and other staff on the sideline standing at attention during the national anthem. But four others decided to act out their conscience, as is their right as Americans, and kneeled during the national anthem.

On one sideline a picture of the Seahawks team locking arms. On the other sideline individuals exercising their rights to be, well, individuals.

This is where I remind everyone football is a team sport.

Just sayin’.





Why is it even the group of four Dolphins — Arian Foster, Jelani Jenkins, Kenny Stills, and Michael Thomas -- who decided to make their political or moral stand didn’t seem feel comfortable enough with that stand to go all the way with it?

Thomas, for example, stood while President Obama spoke via video feed about the Sept. 11 anniversary and what it meant. Then he knelt when the national anthem began to play. But he put his hand over his heart and he says he sang the song.

“I do care about both,” Thomas said. “Just because I want to raise awareness it doesn’t mean I’m anti-flag or anti-whatever else.

“I want unity. I want everybody to listen and find solutions. Let’s not argue what’s patriotic and what’s not, who’s anti-this and who’s anti-that. Let’s just continue to find the solutions.”

What is it with this Dolphins team of half measures?

Guys, take a stand or don’t. But be a team.

You cannot have it both ways when things get uncomfortable. And spare me acting out a protest and then telling me it’s just a way to raise awareness and had nothing to do with the flag you were disrespecting.

There is contradiction in disrespecting the anthem and then calling oneself patriotic.

There is contradiction in saying you are part of a team, part of one heartbeat, and then doing something so completely different from the majority of your teammates that you seem separate and apart from your team.

The four players who kneeled for their cause would obviously disagree with me that what they did was a show of disrespect.

And, sure enough, it wasn’t an in-your-face black power clenched-fist-in-the-air demonstration that was visible on the New England Patriots and Kansas City Chiefs sideline Sunday.

But let’s call things as they are. It was a protest of the state of affairs in America over some police shootings of some black people. That protest came on the 15th anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorists attacks in New York, Shanksville, Pennsylvania and at the Pentagon.

And, regardless of how the participants would like to paint this — Foster for example compared his taking a knee during the national anthem to church goers throughout America taking a knee on Sunday — there is not going to be agreement on this.

There’s no agreement among Dolphins fans. There’s no agreement among Dolphins coaches. There’s no agreement among Dolphins players themselves because, again, 49 of 53 on that sideline stood during the anthem.

When I went into the Dolphins locker room on Sunday, I knew the organization and those who guide it weren’t thrilled with the protest but couldn’t say so publicly because they didn’t want seem to be suppressing free speech.

But the club did release a statement that said it “encourages all members” of the organization to stand for the anthem.

Except when I came out of that locker room, I didn’t know what to think anymore because I listened to club owner Stephen Ross on the topic and he was very supportive of the four players who protested.

“I don’t think it was any lack of respect,” Ross said. “I think everybody here, our team and our whole organization respects the flag and what it stands for and the soldiers and everything. But these guys are making a conversation about something that’s very important a subject that’s very important in this country and I’m 100 percent supportive of them.”

So again, not standing for the national anthem shows no lack of respect according to Ross.

Is this real life?

At some point, folks, this football organization will come out of the fog of contradictions and deliver with exclamation marks at the end of their statements. I’m talking both on and off the field.

On the field the Dolphins did this game what they did off it: They delivered a mixed message.

For three quarters I thought the offense couldn’t do anything against a defense as fast and aggressive as Seattle’s. I believed they couldn’t run the football because 57 rushing yards on 15 attempts (a 3.8 yard per carry average). And I didn’t see much production through the air either because Tannehill had 77 passing yards through three periods.

And then the fourth quarter came and Tannehill came alive. He led that 75-yard, go-ahead drive. You had to be encouraged by this.

Similarly, anyone watching that defense the first 55 minutes had to be certain the Miami defense is going to be stellar this year. The Seahawks had no run game to speak of, playmaking quarterback Russell Wilson was contained and that Miami pass rush we were told would be great was, well, great.

The Dolphins had three sacks.

And then it seemed the Seahawks reached for something the Dolphins do not have. They found that intangible ability to simply find a way to win.

“We’ve been there before and he’s been there before,” cornerback Richard Sherman said.

“We found a way to win,” Wilson added. “We made plays when we needed to. That’s what good teams do.”

No ambiguity there. It’s direct. Clear. That’s what the Seahawks seem to be.

The Dolphins could learn this from the Seahawks.

 
Of course not.

...and this thread should be in the free-for-all forum.

 
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Of course not.
OK but it's not fair that he masks a CK attack/protest or Nat Anthem protest in the middle of what is supposed to be a detailed game summary and he did very little of that. 

I'm kind of shocked, that's not what people waking up want to read in the middle of their news. It says basically that Miami is a disorganized mess...maybe he's right...kinda sounds like me from Jan 1st -Aug 31st...

 
OK but it's not fair that he masks a CK attack/protest or Nat Anthem protest in the middle of what is supposed to be a detailed game summary...
It's not "fair" that these ####### players perpetuate a false victim narrative in the middle of what is supposed to be my afternoon enjoyment of football games either...

...but they do it anyway.

 
Miami Herald game summary and I will simply let you read thru it but if you don't take your time you might miss how the entire article after the first few lines is pretty much an attack on the 4 Miami Dolphins players who took a knee during the National Anthem. I sort of am hard pressed to post this in the SP vs the FFA but that's the rub. He is to report on the game and the play on the field, seemed like there was plenty to discuss but instead Salguero focused on the 4 players that took a knee.

-I also was under the impression that all Phins were in uniformity that there was no protest. 

-I agree with Salguero pointing out their hypocrisy but why not a separate article detailing it all?

I have a feeling this column will get discussed when it is passed around. The title is innocent compared to the opinion/report inside. 

I'm torn on this one. There is a large Cuban population down here and his opinion probably speaks for a lot of them, not all but certainly a good chunk. 

If this needs moved I understand. 
Why would you think a sports writer decides whether text goes into one or two articles? 

No sports writer speaks for any population. We are not in the early 1900s discussing Babe Ruth and Fidel Castro isn't telling him what to write.

In summary, he wrote that 57 yard rushing stinks 77 yards passing stinks, and their D was impressive. I do not get a different vibe from other Dolphins writers about the very same game. Why are you singling him out?

Were you looking for Danny boy threw for 400 yards and 4 TDs? I know I know but you watched the game and were probably let down, so I don't get what the surprise is here.

Is it just the percents of the whole? Like 60% about the four people that should be deported and 40% about the game? According to twitter and FB, these dopes not standing was more interesting than the game

 
Why would you think a sports writer decides whether text goes into one or two articles? 

No sports writer speaks for any population. We are not in the early 1900s discussing Babe Ruth and Fidel Castro isn't telling him what to write.

In summary, he wrote that 57 yard rushing stinks 77 yards passing stinks, and their D was impressive. I do not get a different vibe from other Dolphins writers about the very same game. Why are you singling him out?

Were you looking for Danny boy threw for 400 yards and 4 TDs? I know I know but you watched the game and were probably let down, so I don't get what the surprise is here.

Is it just the percents of the whole? Like 60% about the four people that should be deported and 40% about the game? According to twitter and FB, these dopes not standing was more interesting than the game
I think it's pretty ballsy to assume everyone wants to read all that when they are looking for some analysis on the game which is in fact that we don't have the right type of WRs to run Adam Gase offense, that was on full display Sunday. Stephen Ross hired Adam Gase personally. 

Maybe ask him about that. He questioned Ross as to how the fan base is going to react. 

 
I think it's pretty ballsy to assume everyone wants to read all that when they are looking for some analysis on the game which is in fact that we don't have the right type of WRs to run Adam Gase offense, that was on full display Sunday. Stephen Ross hired Adam Gase personally. 

Maybe ask him about that. He questioned Ross as to how the fan base is going to react. 
But you read it and, in fact, shared it

 
:thumbup:

I'm pretty sure the Constitution allows for deportation of vegans. :D
I think they should with these non-standing types. Just ask em' where do you want to go? and take them. They don't have to stay or be banned or anything but...they'll miss America

 
But you read it and, in fact, shared it
That's true, I thought about that, maybe I'm doing exactly what he wants. 

I didn't say I had the right answers and wasn't calling for his head, just asking.

I would be fired for something similar where I am paid to teach one thing but then go and teach something different. 

 
I just hope and pray that none of my fantasy players does this dumb ####.

I cannot root for any of those idiots.  lol.

 
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Miami 4 players who took a knee including Arian Foster and Kenny Stills

-Christian Yelich, Marlins OF...Tweets out Stills drop with #Karma attached to it

-Preston Wilson tweeted to Yelich, "careful now"

:lmao:

 
I hate all of the Miami beat writers and I feel sorry for fans or anyone who has to read their drek. I am glad I am no longer interested in this team or their players because the work these writers do is worse than what you get from almost all other teams, which is already a pretty low bar. The negativity, sarcasm and indifference towards the Dolphins just isn't worth reading imo.

American citizens have the right to freedom of expression and if players want to use the national anthem as a means to protest injustice or draw attention to issues important to them, it is their constitutional right to do so. I really do not care what some sports journalist on their high horse thinks about it. Seems strange that some one in journalism lacks understanding of the first amendment. If this were being used as a platform to discuss that I still wouldn't be interested but that would be more agreeable than trying to paint these players as villains or whatever the author is trying to do. 

 
Biabreakable, the writer clearly recognizes that kneeling is the players' Constitutional right.

The right to kneel does not equal the right to not be ridiculed.

 
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I'm the one that responds to customer questions and concerns.
Oh, my bad. Didn't know you were on staff. Carry on.

Eta: Do you by any chance know why the forum is limited to 25 topics per page?

 
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Oh, my bad. Didn't know you were on staff. Carry on.
Lol.  I'm not on staff.  It was a reference to personal experience with Joe being "above" responding to customer issues.

...and my avatar was a pretty lady, but I guess Joe finds those offensive.

 
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I hate all of the Miami beat writers and I feel sorry for fans or anyone who has to read their drek. I am glad I am no longer interested in this team or their players because the work these writers do is worse than what you get from almost all other teams, which is already a pretty low bar. The negativity, sarcasm and indifference towards the Dolphins just isn't worth reading imo.

American citizens have the right to freedom of expression and if players want to use the national anthem as a means to protest injustice or draw attention to issues important to them, it is their constitutional right to do so. I really do not care what some sports journalist on their high horse thinks about it. Seems strange that some one in journalism lacks understanding of the first amendment. If this were being used as a platform to discuss that I still wouldn't be interested but that would be more agreeable than trying to paint these players as villains or whatever the author is trying to do. 
I felt the same exact way when I moved from Los Ang back to Miami in '07, had not lived in South Florida since 1992.  I felt the media here were mighty soft post Shula and JJ.  Almost came to fists with Hank Goldberg at one of his radio shows from the casino in '07, he got mad because I called him just a Phins Mouthpiece or extension of the front office, he was livid. 

I'm with you and I don't care for Omar Kelly either, that guy likes to post about his lifestyle on his Twitter, any Caucasian would be fired for some of the stuff he promotes. 

SO I ask the question, should Salguero be fired? He should not have reported the way he did IMHO. Where has he been on a lot of Front Office decisions?

 
SO I ask the question, should Salguero be fired? He should not have reported the way he did IMHO. Where has he been on a lot of Front Office decisions?
That is up to the Herald or whatever publication these guys work for to decide.

I have felt similarly about Vikings beat writers in the past. Part of it may be just how well the team is doing. Hard to be positive about a team that has no positive direction. I think Gase could turn this team around, but it is a work in progress.

I have been looking for a writer or blogger who covers the Dolphins that is enjoyable to read. I am still looking. Any suggestions welcome.

 
That is up to the Herald or whatever publication these guys work for to decide.

I have felt similarly about Vikings beat writers in the past. Part of it may be just how well the team is doing. Hard to be positive about a team that has no positive direction. I think Gase could turn this team around, but it is a work in progress.

I have been looking for a writer or blogger who covers the Dolphins that is enjoyable to read. I am still looking. Any suggestions welcome.
I got your guy

Barry Jackson is about a 180 from those guys. He writes about things you wish others would explore more. I think he is pretty good. 

I hate Chris Perkins as well. He feels like someone dropped him off the back of a truck into his media gig for the Phins. 

 
I don't think a sports beat writer should fill 3/4 of his game recap with a political statement even if it happened at the game.  Your main job is to report the details of the actual game itself first.  A small blurb documenting the protest would be acceptable.

I don't think Michael Thomas or Kenny Stills have a clue why or what they are even protesting.  Kneel down with hand over heart, kind of an oxymoron isn't it?  

I don't mind if Kate Upton were to kneel if you know what I mean....(ok, uncalled for.  But I'm not erasing it)

 
I am not familiar with the Miami herald but the URL makes it seem like he is a columnist, not a beat writer.  If you go out to their site, it looks like they have an actual game recap by somebody named adam Beasley.

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article101268917.html

So, no, I don't think he should be fired if he is writing that as a columnist anymore that I think the Dolphins should release any of the 4 players voicing their opinion.

 
I am not familiar with the Miami herald but the URL makes it seem like he is a columnist, not a beat writer.  If you go out to their site, it looks like they have an actual game recap by somebody named adam Beasley.

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article101268917.html

So, no, I don't think he should be fired if he is writing that as a columnist anymore that I think the Dolphins should release any of the 4 players voicing their opinion.
No matter AS title, he's at Dolphin Camp everyday and his observations are put out on local radio all day long here. He is a voice for the Phins fans here, like him or not. I don't really see the difference, he acts like a beat writer and is introduced like it on the radio all the time. 

 
No matter AS title, he's at Dolphin Camp everyday and his observations are put out on local radio all day long here. He is a voice for the Phins fans here, like him or not. I don't really see the difference, he acts like a beat writer and is introduced like it on the radio all the time. 
But he writes a column. Columnists voice opinions. The article you linked as the game recap was never intended to be the game recap.

 
I am not familiar with the Miami herald but the URL makes it seem like he is a columnist, not a beat writer.  If you go out to their site, it looks like they have an actual game recap by somebody named adam Beasley.

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article101268917.html

So, no, I don't think he should be fired if he is writing that as a columnist anymore that I think the Dolphins should release any of the 4 players voicing their opinion.
I read this and just assumed he was a beat writer: 


@ArmandoSalguero 


Armando Salguero has covered South Florida sports since 1982. He's covered the Dolphins since 1990. He is a Pro Football Hall of Fame selector and annually votes on the Associated Press All-Pro team. He has worked nationally for ESPN and also writes general sports columns for the Miami Herald.

You may be right though for all I know.  On second glance it does appear more like he was asked to write an article based on team unity as opposed to a game recap.



 

 
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SO I ask the question, should Salguero be fired? He should not have reported the way he did IMHO.
Papers have editors and an approval process, the guy just doesn't post it to their website without anyone else at the Herald reading it. So why would they fire him now for the content of an article that they approved? I think you're getting confused with other scenarios where people have been fired for un-censored live comments on air, or Facebook/Twitter posts.

 
But he writes a column. Columnists voice opinions. The article you linked as the game recap was never intended to be the game recap.
Let me put it a different way my friend. People read his column to seek his opinion on the details within the game, that's why they fly him to the stadium, he tweets the pics out, he didn't write that from Miami. 

His reasons for Miami losing and they could be legit, is that 4 guys kneel during the Nat Ant and I guess they weren't focused?

 
Papers have editors and an approval process, the guy just doesn't post it to their website without anyone else at the Herald reading it. So why would they fire him now for the content of an article that they approved? I think you're getting confused with other scenarios where people have been fired for un-censored live comments on air, or Facebook/Twitter posts.
How many columns on MMQB which is what it is, how many look like what you see from Salguero this morning?

 
Let me put it a different way my friend. People read his column to seek his opinion on the details within the game, that's why they fly him to the stadium, he tweets the pics out, he didn't write that from Miami. 

His reasons for Miami losing and they could be legit, is that 4 guys kneel during the Nat Ant and I guess they weren't focused?
And that's how you get to ESPN. Right or wrong doesn't matter, but page hits do.

 
Title reads...


Dolphins fail to finish in heartbreaking opener


BY ARMANDO SALGUERO
 
And then he sandbags you into reading his views on folks taking a knee during the National Anthem. 

Armando is convinced it is the #1 reason Miami didn't win or the team in a nutshell if you will...did you all even read what I posted? Tisk Tisk

 

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