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Harder now than ever to find replacement RB off FA / Waivers? Post the top 5 FA RB in your league. (1 Viewer)

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This came up in the ZRB topic, and I thought it would be an interesting exercise as a group. 

The comment was made that (paraphrasing) finding FA WRs is rare, whereas one can just pick up a plug and play RB. And for years, I think this was largely true - when owners didn't protect with handcuffs, and bench spots were considered too valuable to waste on speculative RB adds. 

But it seems to me that with the changing landscape of the NFL, and the use of RBBC, specialist RBs and the increase of fantasy managers taking up more roster spots than ever for "lottery ticket" or "handcuff" type backs, that it will be harder than it's ever been to just pick up a plug & play RB off waivers, the FA list, or using FA blind bidding (whichever your league does) simply because they aren't there to be picked up. 

With so much hype about ZRB, amid a sea of owners who already protect their high round RBs with handcuffs, what's left to add? 

So let's try this as a collective effort: List the top 5 FA RBs on your league's FA list. 

I have 2 main local $ leagues. Both have relatively short benches, one with 10 active, 7 bench, the other is IDP, so despite the 9 player bench, with 15 starters to cover BYEs (7 IDP/8 Offense), it's not particularly deep. 

League 1: 

1/2 PPR, .1/1, start 2 RBs, 1 O-FL (RB/WR/TE)

  1. Chris Thompson 
  2. Travaris Cadet
  3. Darren Sproles 
  4. Fozzy Whittaker 
  5. Shaun Draughn 
League 2: 

Full PPR, .1/1,  start 2 RB, 1 O-FL (RB/WR/TE)

  1. Fozzy Whittaker 
  2. Damien Williams 
  3. Benny Cunningham
  4. Dwayne Washington 
  5. Fitzgerald Toussaint 


League 1 has more potential with Sproles and Draughn looking like potential starters with injury risks ahead of them, but that's likely due to having shorter benches relative to roster size.  I'm not seeing any world beaters on either list - no "must add" feature backs should an injury befall a starter. 

Seems like as fantasy owners, we frequently buy into these "truths" without truly researching, based mostly on recency bias or "groupthink". I think it would be interesting to see what your FA pool is, or at least the top 5, so that we can determine how close reality is to the thought process that RBs pop up all the time, and thus are likely to in 2016.

 
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That FB on the Ravens might be available.  He scores pts sometimes. 

John Kuhn down in Houston now?  I know someone had him when he was on GB getting a few TDs a year, he might be available again. 

 
cockroach said:
That FB on the Ravens might be available.  He scores pts sometimes. 

John Kuhn down in Houston now?  I know someone had him when he was on GB getting a few TDs a year, he might be available again. 
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Dixon, Forsett & Allen all rostered in both my leagues. 

 
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Jalen Richard went for the most money in most leagues but not sure he fits the plug/play mode although I do think the Raider/Falcon game will be very high scoring so maybe

Droughn ($1 in FAAB), Cadet and Barner were added in FCFS waivers

Funny because after Week 1 they were more valuable WR than RB

1) Tyrell Williams $75

2) Nelson Agholor $44

3) Jeremy Kerley $9

4) Victor Cruz $1

were the pickups in the league I am looking at now

 
If this is related to you trying to debunk the validity of "Zero RB Theory" then it's pointless.  So many people are adopting that strategy that there are fewer options on the wire as everyone is shotgunning that position at the end of their draft instead of WR.   So if you're making this thread to say, "See!??!?!?  Haha! It can't work!!!!" you're spinning your wheels.  Chicken vs egg.

 
cockroach said:
If this is related to you trying to debunk the validity of "Zero RB Theory" then it's pointless.  So many people are adopting that strategy that there are fewer options on the wire as everyone is shotgunning that position at the end of their draft instead of WR.   So if you're making this thread to say, "See!??!?!?  Haha! It can't work!!!!" you're spinning your wheels.  Chicken vs egg.
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It's actually not related at all. Totally separate topics.

this is a topic unto itself - there seems to be a myth that you can just grab a FA RB every year who'll be a game-changer, and it seems to me that is an anachronism, and no longer holds true due to more and more managers rostering lottery tickets and handcuffs 

and I'm asking people to post their top 5 FA RBs to help prove or disprove that.

you could have saved me a lot of typing if you'd just read the 1st post in this topic. 

 
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Vereen

Hightower

C Thompson 

Cadet

Powell

We have very short benches so there is usually someone at least decent available 

 
the rover said:
Vereen

Hightower

C Thompson 

Cadet

Powell

We have very short benches so there is usually someone at least decent available 
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Interesting - Seems like in your league there is significant potential  due to the short bench.

 One thing I considered as Commissioner of my IDP league was to shorten the benches by one or two spots as a response to how deep people are reaching for running backs.

 
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League 1 (.5 ppr), start 2 rb, no flex

Cadet

Hightower

Dion Lewis

Starks

McKinnon

League 2 (1 ppr), start 2 rb, 1 flex could be rb

Matt Jones

Terrance West

Chris Thompson

Kadeem Carey

Shaun Draughn

Currently looking who to drop for Matt Jones.

 
Mr. Know-It-All said:
League 1 (.5 ppr), start 2 rb, no flex

Cadet

Hightower

Dion Lewis

Starks

McKinnon

League 2 (1 ppr), start 2 rb, 1 flex could be rb

Matt Jones

Terrance West

Chris Thompson

Kadeem Carey

Shaun Draughn

Currently looking who to drop for Matt Jones.
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Yeah - shocked to see him on the wire.

if nothing else maybe this topic helped you notice that.  :hifive:

I'd consider grabbing Starks in the other league too - if Lacy goes down he's a jackpot. Also a little surprised to see him available. 

Maybe im way off on my theory if these guys are out there. 

 
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LawFitz said:
It's week 2. The injuries haven't happened yet.
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I understand that - but even though it's week 2, we still should kinda know who the upside replacements are, so we can see if it's really that easy to add someone. There are depth charts and stuff. 

So far it's been about 50-50, and more favorable odds in leagues with a short bench.

As a league commish I've already found this discussion valuable. 

 
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top 5 by YTD points

Julian Howshare, Keith Smith, Malcolm Johnson, Jay Prosch, and Montee Ball :oldunsure:   actually only 4 RB FAs have scored points.

 
 This topic is always interesting to me...........for one reason.

 In one specific league I am in, there is a broad mix of fantasy owners.  There are a few who definitely believe in handcuffs, and often go overboard (sometimes I do) and then there are a few very casual owners that don't even have a clue about it. (1-2 guys sometimes auto draft and they only get 3 RBs anyway)

 It leads to some weird waiver wire candidates.

 One team has Chris Johnson and Bilal Powell on the bench, but yet you see other "big handcuffs" like James Starks and even Jerick McKinnon on the wire for everyone to snag.

 It still baffles me that the AP owner doesn't have Jerick McKinnon on his roster.  If there ever was a year to handcuff Peterson, this is it.

 TZM

 
TZMarkie said:
 It still baffles me that the AP owner doesn't have Jerick McKinnon on his roster.  If there ever was a year to handcuff Peterson, this is it.

 TZM
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I agree - drafting a 1st or 2nd round player where the handcuff is basically free and not having the handcuff seems crazy.  I picked up McKinnon because I had a marginal DB hurt and figured it was a lottery ticket or trade bait with the AP owner. 

For guys like Forte/Powell or Lacy/Starks I get it - Powell & Starks both had mid-round ADP based on several factors (ability or past performance of HC/Age of starters), so the cost of acquiring those guys was steep - there are top targets at TE and QB in those mid-rounds, and even a few RBs who fall (Jennings was crazy cheap) so spending that much on a handcuff is costly. 

But if I'm spending high on a RB, especially a 30 year old with that much mileage, I want to protect him. I had Ahman Green and Deuce McAllister one year...Google reminds me that it was 2005, or as I like to call it, "my worst FFB season ever". I didn't handcuff either of them. I had a bad time.  From 2006 to present I'm the most OCD handcuffing SOB around. 

Both my local leagues are a mixed bag - half are handcuffers, half are speculators. Either way, every team has between 4-7 RBs. That's 66 RBs rostered at any given time. Back to the point of the topic, back in 2005 when that disaster hit both the backups for Green & McAllister were FAs, (and I got neither).  But if two players of that magnitude went down today, it's hard to imagine their HC's wouldn't already be owned. 

 
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Hot Sauce Guy said:
But if I'm spending high on a RB, especially a 30 year old with that much mileage, I want to protect him. I had Ahman Green and Deuce McAllister one year...Google reminds me that it was 2005, or as I like to call it, "my worst FFB season ever". I didn't handcuff either of them. I had a bad time.  From 2006 to present I'm the most OCD handcuffing SOB around. 
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 I am fairly diligent about handcuffing my big names, but then again, I rarely if ever draft RBs early. I draft WR-WR early in our leagues.

 (let's be fair, there are plenty of times where I won't handcuff........it boils down to workload and what can be expected. But thats for another thread)

 Now, I do want to go on record right now and say I actually ended up with pick #3 overall in one league I have been in for years. (I actually won it the last two years, but whatever)

 Last year I took Julio at #1 overall, I mentioned it here on this board, and even said in advance "if I draw #1 there I am getting Julio."

 I actually drew #1 in two leagues, and acquired Julio in both. Yes, I'm that guy that sticks to my guns. If I say I am going to take a shot on someone, then I do.

 They all laughed at me when I took Julio #1 overall.  After week three, there were no more laughs.   Of course, Julio led the league in yards last year....so I was a little lucky I suppose.

 Anyway, the point is, so this year I get David Johnson at #3 overall, and I of course draft Chris Johnson later, I may have even reached/round 10 or so.

 Anyway, he is not now currently on my roster.   Thats an uneasy feeling, but follow me. I actually dropped him for Legarrette Blount.  He was dropped Sunday before the game, so I definitely wanted to acquire him, as there are 1-2 other very RB needy owners.

 It enabled me to later trade Demaryius Thomas + Blount for Allen Robinson. So I essentially got Allen Robinson for DT (currently not 100%) + a "free" L. Blount. (the other owner still has Julio and Dez, so DT as his 3rd is fine in my opinion)

 The trade clears tomorrow, and I will promptly pick up Chris Johnson immediately when the trade clears.

 TZM

 
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TZMarkie said:
 The trade clears tomorrow, and I will promptly pick up Chris Johnson immediately when the trade clears.
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If I were in your league I'd be tempted to claim Chris Johnson, because yes, I'm that guy. lol. I have DJohnson, and unfortunately got beaten to the punch on Chris Johnson by a full round. Hoping he remains somewhat irrelevant for a couple of weeks so he'll get dropped. 

Whomever dropped Blount before week 1 shouldn't be allowed to play FFB. That's just terrible. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Yeah - shocked to see him on the wire.

if nothing else maybe this topic helped you notice that.  :hifive:

I'd consider grabbing Starks in the other league too - if Lacy goes down he's a jackpot. Also a little surprised to see him available. 

Maybe im way off on my theory if these guys are out there. 
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Yeah guy dropped him on waivers Wed night...waited until today and got him for free.  No FAAB for FA, just for waiver runs.  So even if he sucks, he costs me nothing other than dropping James White - we have short benches.

 
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Yeah - shocked to see him on the wire.

if nothing else maybe this topic helped you notice that.  :hifive:

I'd consider grabbing Starks in the other league too - if Lacy goes down he's a jackpot. Also a little surprised to see him available. 

Maybe im way off on my theory if these guys are out there. 
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Yeah Starks is a decent look in other league - only allowed two moves per week and had to shore up WR with DT and Maclin dinged - so landed Chris Thompson and Phillip Dorsett.  Next week will make a play for Starks and/or McKinnon if available.  Big league with 12 teams with 24 man rosters (10 bench - and almost no one carries IDP on the bench - so not much out there for offense).

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
It's actually not related at all. Totally separate topics.

this is a topic unto itself - there seems to be a myth that you can just grab a FA RB every year who'll be a game-changer, and it seems to me that is an anachronism, and no longer holds true due to more and more managers rostering lottery tickets and handcuffs 

and I'm asking people to post their top 5 FA RBs to help prove or disprove that.

you could have saved me a lot of typing if you'd just read the 1st post in this topic. 
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When that league-winning rb finally pops up on the waiver wire, it won't be someone atop the week 2 waiver lst, though.  It will be either:

1) Someone currently rostered that was hurt or underperformed and therefore gets cut during bye-week season

or

2) Someone buried on an NFL depth chart that gets a late-season shot due to multiple injuries in quick succession.

Last season examples could be 1) Freeman, CJA and 2) Hightower, Andrews.  Possible 2016 versions?  Who knows yet.  

 
16 team, 20-man rosters: Tolbert, Blue, Fozzy, Bush, and Rob Kelley

12 team, 22-man rosters: Powell, James White, Draughn, Ellington, Cadet

All using Lineup Dominator with standard FBG projections

 
Arodin said:
When that league-winning rb finally pops up on the waiver wire, it won't be someone atop the week 2 waiver lst, though.  It will be either:

1) Someone currently rostered that was hurt or underperformed and therefore gets cut during bye-week season

or

2) Someone buried on an NFL depth chart that gets a late-season shot due to multiple injuries in quick succession.

Last season examples could be 1) Freeman, CJA and 2) Hightower, Andrews.  Possible 2016 versions?  Who knows yet.  
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Good take here - especially the 1st part.  I'm hoping the Chris Johnson owner in my league gets bored, or needs the roster spot for something more important so I can get my handcuff. 

But I could see players like that getting dropped - Powell owners probably getting itchy if they don't have Forte, for example. 

:goodposting:

 
As bye weeks, injuries and 1 werk wonders happen rosters will churn. Some of the players getting cut will end up being very valuable later. Timing is big when it comes to some of these guys. I drafted and then owned David Johnson 2 or 3 times last year in 1 league. I didn't have him at the end when it mattered though.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
This came up in the ZRB topic, and I thought it would be an interesting exercise as a group. 

The comment was made that finding FA WRs is rare, whereas one can just pick up a plug and play RB. And for years, I think this was largely true - when owners didn't protect with handcuffs, and bench spots were considered too valuable to waste on speculative RB adds. 

But it seems to me that with the changing landscape of the NFL, and the use of RBBC, specialist RBs and the increase of fantasy managers taking up more roster spots than ever for "lottery ticket" or "handcuff" type backs, that it will be harder than it's ever been to just pick up a plug & play RB off waivers, the FA list, or using FA blind bidding (whichever your league does) simply because they aren't there to be picked up. 
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Strawman.  Using the quotes around the term is a nice touch.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
 I'm hoping the Chris Johnson owner in my league gets bored, or needs the roster spot for something more important so I can get my handcuff.
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 Be proactive sir, not reactive.   :excited:

 Offer the Chris Johnson owner something for him. Think "end of bench garbage". Don't be afraid to give up a Theo Riddick "type" ,though not necessarily that good. As much as you might say one of those end of bench/ "bench trash" guys might be an "overpay" for Chris Johnson, what is that bench trash(tm)....(I am hereby trademarking bench trash) What is that bench trash going to do for you if David Johnson gets hurt?  Maybe you have a 4th or 5th WR (God knows why people have these deep wrs on their rosters, they are never going to start anyway)  GTFO and get a flier RB.  :yes:

 Anyway, I am "all for" handcuffing a guy and protecting myself. I look at it as "guaranteeing" myself some points in the event of injury.

 So what if you have 2 AZ backs, then 4 or 5 others. You can always mix and match your others in your own personal fantasy RBBC right?  Thats what I do.

 I think the real question we should be discussing, is exactly where Andre Ellington fits into the AZ backfield. I mean, I'm not deathly afraid of him, but he certainly looks like he will be used more than he was last year.  Chris Johnson got a grand total of 1 carry last week.   ONE CARRY.    Thats a slight concern.

 But then again, I have 13 spots (not titles kicker or defense) and I have seven RBs.  So depth isn't a problem I traditionally have, anymore that is.

 Enough of my ranting about the AZ backfield.   :P

 TZM

 
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Strawman.  Using the quotes around the term is a nice touch.
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I didn't put quotes around it. I wasn't quoting anyone. It was mentioned and it inspired this topic. Are you seriously questioning why I asked my question? The premise for what inspired this topic is a "straw man"? Jeez this place gets weird in Fiday night. 

You also seem confused by the straw man fallacy. With a straw man, I'd draw/assert a conclusion based on a loaded premise.

Rather than drawing a conclusion, I'm instead asking for data that will either support or reject the question I asked.  

That's hardly a "straw man", so perhaps you need a few more logic classss, Mr Ad Hominem. 

Happy Friday  :)  

 
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TZMarkie said:
 Be proactive sir, not reactive.   :excited:

 Offer the Chris Johnson owner something for him. Think "end of bench garbage". Don't be afraid to give up a Theo Riddick "type" ,though not necessarily that good. As much as you might say one of those end of bench/ "bench trash" guys might be an "overpay" for Chris Johnson, what is that bench trash(tm)....(I am hereby trademarking bench trash) What is that bench trash going to do for you if David Johnson gets hurt?  Maybe you have a 4th or 5th WR (God knows why people have these deep wrs on their rosters, they are never going to start anyway)  GTFO and get a flier RB.  :yes:

 Anyway, I am "all for" handcuffing a guy and protecting myself. I look at it as "guaranteeing" myself some points in the event of injury.

 So what if you have 2 AZ backs, then 4 or 5 others. You can always mix and match your others in your own personal fantasy RBBC right?  Thats what I do.

 I think the real question we should be discussing, is exactly where Andre Ellington fits into the AZ backfield. I mean, I'm not deathly afraid of him, but he certainly looks like he will be used more than he was last year.  Chris Johnson got a grand total of 1 carry last week.   ONE CARRY.    Thats a slight concern.

 But then again, I have 13 spots (not titles kicker or defense) and I have seven RBs.  So depth isn't a problem I traditionally have, anymore that is.

 Enough of my ranting about the AZ backfield.   :P

 TZM
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I enjoyed your post - all good.

I know this dude well. If I offer something for CJ, he'll see it as a position of weakness and look to fleece me knowing I have DJohnson. He'd look to do a 2:2 and ask for players im not prepared to part with. 

I love my friends but I sometimes hate my friends ;)  

itll have to be week 3-4 for me to chase and float an offer. 

 
Like many strategies in fantasy football, this one is very league specific, particularly with regards to number of teams and roster composition. The fewer teams, starting RB spots (incl. Flex) and bench spots, the more viable the plug and play RB approach is (for obvious reasons).

I play in 10 team leagues, with two starting RB slots, six bench and no flex. Every single year viable RBs come around in this set up. Here are the names on the wire right now...

League 1: Forsett, Ajayi, James White, Sproles, Hightower, Buck Allen, Deandre Washington, Dion Lewis, Kenny Dixon, Terrence West, Chris Johnson, Vereen, Al Morris, Charc West, Ellington...

This league is a start 2 QB setup so that frees up even more RBs as several teams are carrying multiple backup QBs.

Granted this is one extreme end of the spectrum where this approach is probably most viable. Work your way inward with more teams, more bench, more starting RB slots as all those factors deplete the free agent pool.

Bottom line is that this is not a one size fits all strategy, but on my end of the spectrum it's extremely viable.

 
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Like many strategies in fantasy football, this one is very league specific, particularly with regards to number of teams and roster composition. The fewer teams, starting RB spots (incl. Flex) and bench spots, the more viable the plug and play RB approach is (for obvious reasons).

I play in 10 team leagues, with two starting RB slots, six bench and no flex. Every single year viable RBs come around in this set up. Here are the names on the wire right now...

League 1: Forsett, Ajayi, James White, Sproles, Hightower, Buck Allen, Deandre Washington, Dion Lewis, Kenny Dixon, Terrence West, Chris Johnson, Vereen, Al Morris, Charc West, Ellington...

This league is a start 2 QB setup so that frees up even more RBs as several teams are carrying multiple backup QBs.

Granted this is one extreme end of the spectrum where this approach is probably most viable. Work your way inward with more teams, more bench, more starting RB slots as all those factors deplete the free agent pool.

Bottom line is that this is not a one size fits all strategy, but on my end of the spectrum it's extremely viable.
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Totally understand where you're coming from. 

I honestly don't think this is applicable to a 10 team (or less) league. There's inherently greater depth, so even if you had a 7 or 8 man bench, there would be more value on the FA list. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
I didn't put quotes around it.
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Take a look at the title thread.

Hot Sauce Guy said:
Jeez this lace gets weird in Fiday night. 
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It's not Friday night here

Hot Sauce Guy said:
You also seem confused by the straw man fallacy. With a straw man, I'd draw/assert a conclusion based on a loaded premise.

Rather than drawing a conclusion, I'm instead asking for data that will either support or reject the question I asked.  
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A strawman has nothing to do with drawing a conclusion, rather, it is attempting to refute an argument that was never made.

Go ahead and bump the post in the other thread where someone made the 'plug and "play" assertion.  Since the assertion was never made, you are indeed attempting to build a strawman.

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That's hardly a "straw man", so perhaps you need a few more logic classss, Mr Ad Hominem. 
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It would seem that one of us does.  Want to go ahead unwrap the Ad Hominem declaration?

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Happy Friday  :)  
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It's still not Friday here.

 
Short Corner said:
Take a look at the title thread.
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Uh, yeah - it's a term that I used to mean "a RB who will have value if a starter goes down" - I put it in quotes because it was just a generic term to make for a shorter topic title. It was not intended to sound like it was from any specific person. And it sure as heck isn't a straw man. Funny how you're the only one who read it that way.  :rolleyes:

i cant believe you're that hung up on the phrase "plug and play" - I spent 10 years working in IT, so it comes easily to mind. sorry you don't like it.  Doesn't make it a straw man. That's ridiculous.

Maybe this place would be better if more people participated in topics, or ignored the ones they don't like. 

Have a nice day.  :)  

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Uh, yeah - it's a term that I used to mean "a RB who will have value if a starter goes down" - I put it in quotes because it was just a generic term to make for a shorter topic title. It was not intended to sound like it was from any specific person. And it sure as heck isn't a straw man. Funny how you're the only one who read it that way.  :rolleyes:

i cant believe you're that hung up on the phrase "plug and play" - I spent 10 years working in IT, so it comes easily to mind. sorry you don't like it.  Doesn't make it a straw man. That's ridiculous.

Maybe this place would be better if more people participated in topics, or ignored the ones they don't like. 

Have a nice day.  :)  
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Go on then.  Bump the post in that thread where someone said you can plug and play someone off the WW.

I may have missed it and if I did, I apologize, but you are clearly attempting to refute an argument that was never made if that is not the case, making the argument a Strawman.

 
Short Corner said:
Go on then.  Bump the post in that thread where someone said you can plug and play someone off the WW.

I may have missed it and if I did, I apologize, but you are clearly attempting to refute an argument that was never made if that is not the case, making the argument a Strawman.
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No, I am most certainly not. I'd suggest reading the original post.  I asked a specific question and state clearly why. I supposed that the changing landscape of FFB may make it more difficult to find replacement RBs than in the past and asked for help determining how that was.

as for what inspired this question,  go read the last few posts in that topic. In one of them, someone suggested it was easy to Find RBs every year. Go bump it for yourself. 

welcome to my ignore list. And again, have a nice day. 

 
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Go on then.  Bump the post in that thread where someone said you can plug and play someone off the WW.

I may have missed it and if I did, I apologize, but you are clearly attempting to refute an argument that was never made if that is not the case, making the argument a Strawman.
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Here ya go

massraider said "I like 0-RB in PPR.  In theory, because you can always get RBs that help off the waiver wire."
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That's the statement that inspired this topic, and it was not a straw man by any definition. 

Apology accepted, thanks so much. 

Now off to ignore you go. Thanks for derailing the topic with this nonsense. 

 
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No, I am most certainly not. I'd suggest reading the original post.  I asked a specific question and state clearly why. I supposed that the changing landscape of FFB may make it more difficult to find replacement RBs in the last and asked for help determining how that was.

as for what inspired this question,  go read the last few posts in that topic. In one of them, someone suggested it was easy to Find RBs every year. Go bump it for yourself. 

welcome to my ignore list. And again, have a nice day. 
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:lmao:

Finding RBs on the WW every year is not the same as finding someone on the WW you can plug and play.  For most of us that is intuitively obvious.  For others, who can manage building an alleged career in IT with little grasp of logic/critical thinking, not so much.  I can only conclude, that since you refuse to bump the posts, around which you are framing your argument, that they do not exist.

 
Short Corner said:
Take a look at the title thread.

It's not Friday night here

A strawman has nothing to do with drawing a conclusion, rather, it is attempting to refute an argument that was never made.

Go ahead and bump the post in the other thread where someone made the 'plug and "play" assertion.  Since the assertion was never made, you are indeed attempting to build a strawman.

It would seem that one of us does.  Want to go ahead unwrap the Ad Hominem declaration?

It's still not Friday here.
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Good Gawd.

 
Short Corner said:
:lmao:

Finding RBs on the WW every year is not the same as finding someone on the WW you can plug and play.  For most of us that is intuitively obvious.  For others, who can manage building an alleged career in IT with little grasp of logic/critical thinking, not so much.  I can only conclude, that since you refuse to bump the posts, around which you are framing your argument, that they do not exist.
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Another personal attack. Shocking. 

I just put up the quote. And you're seriously reaching for ways to interpret things to suit you.  It was a post title - get the F over it and stop trolling already. 

 
I edited my topic title so that Short Corner doesn't short circuit. :rolleyes:

Jesus,  what an absolute train wreck - this could have been such a useful topic.   

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Another personal attack. Shocking. 

I just put up the quote. And you're seriously reaching for ways to interpret things to suit you.  It was a post title - get the F over it and stop trolling already. 
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You brought your career into it.  I assume to establish your expertise in logic.  Your posts have shown otherwise.

Not trolling.  I was active in that thread and nowhere saw the arggument that you are attempting to refute.  Still haven't seen the quote.

 
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