Because trump is so far right AND inept AND corrupt that it forces our (independents) hand. Ignoring the constitution, pretending climate change is a hoax, claiming he'd fix the national debt but instead increasing the deficit, unhinged tirades on twitter, asking for election interference... I literally could go on for pages... but these things would turn off a true independent. At this point it's not about priorities. It's clear this man does not belong in office. A true independent would find it unconscionable to put him in power again. I'm sure a few independents voted for him in 2016, but it's clear that experiment has failed.
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Really had to dig through the sands of time for that one, didn't you? If something like that were to happen in this era, I think the results would be totally different.
Mystery Achiever
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I could be wrong, but I feel like people just laugh about trump's embellishments. I mean, he's got far more serious crimes for us (all Americans) to be concerned about. Personally, I hate all lies and hope all politicians are held accountable for them. But at the moment, priority #1 is getting that inept crook out of the office so we can stop the damage, so I don't really like to hear a lot of time spent discussing embellishments. Distracts from the fact that so many atrocities are going down right now (trump essentially calling the constitution unconstitutional, trump asking for foreign election assistance, trump running up the deficit, trump screwing over our allies, etc.).
I'm not. Common sense dictates that if someone says "Warren, lying about trivial things shows that she has serious mental issues. It's blowing up in her face. Who's next to step to the plate cause she has struck out." but is open to voting for trump in 2020 then they are not independent. If lying about trivial things is a nonstarter for you and disqualifies Warren from your vote, then you simply can't vote for trump in 2020. The man has been proven to lie about ALL manner of things, ranging from trivial to serious. You don't need to be an arbiter to call out blatant hypocrisy.
toshiba
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IvanKaramazov
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Bill Clinton wasn't that long ago.
Trump is terrible, as is the modern GOP. No doubt about that. But tribalism does still exist (in less dramatic fashion) on the other side.
It was quite a while ago (at least for me since I wasn't even eligible to vote for or against Clinton), the tribalism (on the D side, at least) wasn't nearly as bad, and it was over a single, much smaller issue than the plethora of issues facing the president today.
But I do think it's pretty funny (and messed up) that we've got quotes about the Clinton impeachment from Republicans still in office today directly contradicting themselves in the present.
knowledge dropper
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Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter)
10/9/19, 7:34 PM
I'm not saying the @Braves are getting blown out, but Elizabeth Warren has just denied she has ANY Indian blood.
10/9/19, 7:34 PM
I'm not saying the @Braves are getting blown out, but Elizabeth Warren has just denied she has ANY Indian blood.
Philo Beddoe
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He died in 2009 while still serving in the senate after 47 years. Maybe i'm just old but that wasn't that long ago.
The Chappaquiddick incident literally occurred half a century ago. I wasn't alive, but I wouldn't have voted for him.
badmojo1006
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Jayrod
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Saw a clip of Warren getting asked a question from a 9-year old transgender boy.
The crowd erupted in applause and the proud mom was beaming with pride while Warren clapped in approval herself.
This is closer to child abuse than a celebratory event. That kind of platform has zero chance in the general.
The crowd erupted in applause and the proud mom was beaming with pride while Warren clapped in approval herself.
This is closer to child abuse than a celebratory event. That kind of platform has zero chance in the general.
parasaurolophus
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fatguyinalittlecoat
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Let me guess, you'd rather vote for someone who basically just handed our allies a death sentence? The guy that raped a teenager among others? The guy that brazenly asks for election interference on national TV? That kind of platform has zero chance against informed voters.
the moops
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The platform of "I want to have a secretary of education that who both believes in public education and believes in the value of every one of our kids and is willing to enforce our civil rights laws"?
That kind of platform?
Max Power
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There is an age on the spectrum where I think a discussion should be had. Same with how far parents are willing to go with a transition at young ages. Abuse... maybe...
fatguyinalittlecoat
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Facebook official gives zero ####s about fake news on its platform:
Facebook Newsroom @fbnewsroom
@ewarren looks like broadcast stations across the country have aired this ad nearly 1,000 times, as required by law. FCC doesn’t want broadcast companies censoring candidates’ speech. We agree it’s better to let voters—not companies—decide. #FCC #candidateuse
*talking about the original Trump ad - but staking their position here pretty clearly.
Facebook Newsroom @fbnewsroom
@ewarren looks like broadcast stations across the country have aired this ad nearly 1,000 times, as required by law. FCC doesn’t want broadcast companies censoring candidates’ speech. We agree it’s better to let voters—not companies—decide. #FCC #candidateuse
*talking about the original Trump ad - but staking their position here pretty clearly.
Alex P Keaton
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Ted never had success on a national level. He was rejected for national office multiple times. This was frankly just a bad example. Clinton is a much better example.Philo Beddoe said:
Elizabeth Warren @ewarren · 23m
You’re making my point here. It’s up to you whether you take money to promote lies. You can be in the disinformation-for-profit business, or you can hold yourself to some standards. In fact, those standards were in your policy. Why the change?
Book of Faces not looking so good with this exchange...
Mystery Achiever
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The Trump ad ran on Facebook, Youtube and Twitter, All three refused to stop running it. If she is so genuinely outraged about this issue, why is she singling out Facebook?
toshiba
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Henry Ford
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Now that we found out in the past couple of days that Facebook was lying about its video views and reach of content, she may reassess.
Mystery Achiever
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There's something new on inflated views? The only thing I'm finding is from Oct 2018.
As far as comparative audience size, I'd have guessed you'd reach more people on Twitter, but really don't know.
They all have broad reach, though.
As far as comparative audience size, I'd have guessed you'd reach more people on Twitter, but really don't know.
They all have broad reach, though.
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fatguyinalittlecoat
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Mystery Achiever
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All have mass audiences. All did exactly the same thing. But this makes for a more potent, focused campaign stunt, so the other two transgressions get a pass?
Well, I suspect the interest in curbing false news is real. And, if you can make your point against 1, and then create standards for all, then its a winning move.
All have mass audiences. All did exactly the same thing. But this makes for a more potent, focused campaign stunt, so the other two transgressions get a pass?
Mystery Achiever
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I assume it is, also, but the approach serves her political needs. They're all giants, not guys with blogs. Failure to mention them seems calculated.
Mystery Achiever
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The Urban Institute, a center-left think tank highly respected among Democrats, is projecting that a plan similar to what Warren and Senator Bernie Sanders are pushing would require $34 trillion in additional federal spending over its first decade in operation. That’s more than the federal government’s total cost over the coming decade for Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid combined, according to the most recent Congressional Budget Office projections.
No wonder she won't give details. She's simply pining for votes from suckers that buy into this financially impossible plan.
No wonder she won't give details. She's simply pining for votes from suckers that buy into this financially impossible plan.
BigSteelThrill
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History shows us that Right-wingers don't care about debt and deficit.The Urban Institute, a center-left think tank highly respected among Democrats, is projecting that a plan similar to what Warren and Senator Bernie Sanders are pushing would require $34 trillion in additional federal spending over its first decade in operation. That’s more than the federal government’s total cost over the coming decade for Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid combined, according to the most recent Congressional Budget Office projections.
No wonder she won't give details. She's simply pining for votes from suckers that buy into this financially impossible plan.
*Except to use it to complain about the other side with.
10 times her wealth tax. That fellas is a biiiiiiiig socialist tax on everyone so the government can control your health care. Best part though is Dems are going to be the ones to expose her like they started to in the last debate.lod001 said:The Urban Institute, a center-left think tank highly respected among Democrats, is projecting that a plan similar to what Warren and Senator Bernie Sanders are pushing would require $34 trillion in additional federal spending over its first decade in operation. That’s more than the federal government’s total cost over the coming decade for Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid combined, according to the most recent Congressional Budget Office projections.
No wonder she won't give details. She's simply pining for votes from suckers that buy into this financially impossible plan.
BigSteelThrill
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Talking about who would use the projections hypocritically -- like here on the forums.
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saintfool
Dead sexy
As I understand it, the plan would increase taxes on the middle class and those incomes exceeding that threshold. while taxes might go up for some - the higher tax brackets - the overall cost for healthcare would be lower, the quality of care improved, and/or the satisfaction higher. we don't have specifics from her yet. claims about "gov't control of healthcare" seems overblown given the polls consistently show higher satisfaction rates with Medicare, Medicaid, and ACA.
Max Power
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I just semi asked this in bumping the wealth tax thread. Wish I saw this one first. At least we see the problem. I just dont think the dems will go far enough to expose it.
Max Power
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I'll give you my take on private vs govt. I'm a disabled military veteran who has FREE VA health benefits. I also currently work a job with private health insurance. When I have an issue with one of my disabilities I have a choice... I can schedule an appointment with the VA and wait (6 F***ing months has been my longest wait) and I get that for free. Or I can go through my insurance, wait less and pay more. I can also pick my doctor with my private insurance.
Imo the public option has no motivation to bring a patient back with its customer service and will look to cut corners at every chance. Private will price gauge you a bit, but they are expedient and will give you plenty of options (that they can keep milking you)
It all boils down to preference, but one option is not hands down better than the other.
the moops
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They really need to hammer this point. If my taxes went up 30% but I no longer had to pay health insurance premiums, I would be coming out on top.
Workhorse
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Warren just released her M4A plan. Yikes. Probably too bold and attacking too many different constituencies to pay for it (in order to keep her promise not to raise middle class taxes) to ever be a viable solution. Plus, paying Hospitals at the Medicare rate will be disastrous. I like a lot of Warren's policy ideas but this is a bridge too far and will cost her a TON of moderate supporters IMO.
HellToupee
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And it will only eliminate about 2 million jobsWorkhorse said:
Steve Tasker
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Awful plan.Workhorse said:
Gopher State
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Will cost her the nominationWorkhorse said:
Widbil83
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Pelosi now calling her out.
https://news.yahoo.com/nancy-pelosi-worried-2020-candidates-100000963.html
Move to the center, win the presidency. Stay way out in left field, see 4 more years of Trump.Pelosi now calling her out.
https://news.yahoo.com/nancy-pelosi-worried-2020-candidates-100000963.html
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