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A-List Celebrity To Be Outed As A Sexual Predator (1 Viewer)
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pantherclub
Footballguy
So even if she lies about 30% we are still cool with trashing him and ruining his career? Keep posting dude you are looking completely ridiculous.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Witz
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Hardwick appears to be a controlling #####, but not a sexual predator, so why is he being talked about in this thread?
Northern Voice
Footballguy
The 'starfishing' sounds terrible on her end. I'm not really here to argue about whether it would meet the legal definitions, I'm just here to say the man who expects/enjoys it is an #######.
matuski
Footballguy
You keep saying you "know".
When you find yourself falling back on twitter and instagram posts, perhaps it is time to reconsider the strength of your position/knowledge?
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comfortably numb
Footballguy
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Im too lazy to google this starfish. Can it be explained here without Joe banning any words with star in it?
Witz
Footballguy
But that’s what we are talking about here - she made the claim it was sexual abuse and that’s what is causing his employment opportunities to reconsider things with him.
Nothing she posted indicates sexual abuse occurred at all.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Northern Voice
Footballguy
I actually agree with this.
I believe the victim. I posted one corroboration of her account from twitter, everything else is just her account of the relationship not Twitter or Instagram. I'm not sure why you're focusing so much on the Twitter stuff, unless I missed something.
matuski
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Isn't it right in there that she said many times that she didn't want the sex or wasn't in the mood for it, but he demanded it anyway?
pantherclub
Footballguy
Witz
Footballguy
Honest question - why do you think she is a victim?
Also - the one corroboration is her current boyfriend. Unfortunately that’s not really an unbiased source.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Huh? It says by one study (which I linked to) it's at 4%. The second link shows A further US and European have found 2 and 6%. The second one also gets into the ramifications of it which you are a prime example of here. You're not even attempting to add to this conversation
Witz
Footballguy
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Because every thing in her long, detailed account is consistent with victims of abuse and false reports of abuse are very low. It is extremely difficult for victims of abuse to speak out and they usually have more to lose than to gain, which to be honest based on the response in here is probably the case with Chloe Dykstra as well.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I do feel like I stumbled into an opposite thread of sorts. I have 0 clue who these people are, and maybe just put aside this specific case. Are there posters in here that are arguing that people who are abused don't go back to their abusers, and if they do that the responsibility is solely on them?
ETA: or that somebody that maybe has little self worth might enter into a sketchy relationship not thinking about how bad it really might get?
Is this a negative push back from dudes on the metoo movement or something, like the pendulum has swung too far the other way and we are coming to the side of the guys because we are seeing them lose their jobs and status?
ETA: or that somebody that maybe has little self worth might enter into a sketchy relationship not thinking about how bad it really might get?
Is this a negative push back from dudes on the metoo movement or something, like the pendulum has swung too far the other way and we are coming to the side of the guys because we are seeing them lose their jobs and status?
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pantherclub
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Yes. Why do you think there is a time frame on this cycle? I have known people that have done just that. Even a year or two later.
The damaging things about these relationships is the toll it takes on the abusers self worth, and how it isolates them from family and friends. If somebody doesn't have a strong support base, the abuser comes back into their lives, says they have changed, etc, etc.. You get the point.
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Northern Voice
Footballguy
This is so much more common than you think and the fact you are so dumb-struck by it is why you probably shouldn't be participating in this discussion. You have absolutely no clue about how messed up abusive relationships can become.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Ummm.... okay.....Northern Voice said:
....and that belongs in a "sexual predator" thread because....?
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Yep, that's fair, we can take it to the emotional abuse thread. This doesn't meet the thread title, it falls under C-List Celebrity is an #######.
Kraft...
Footballguy
Watch this documentary Behind Closed Doors, is crazy what some people will go back to even after years of abuse. I watched it a while back, very sad.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Kraft...
Footballguy
It's abuse, you said someone wouldn't go back to someone 7 months later after being emotionally abused. I'm showing you that people go back years later after a pattern of much worse physical abuse.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
One person just lays there (think arms and legs spread out so they are in the shape of a starfish). The other person does all the work. This could be because they aren’t in to it or because they are inebriated.
Zow
Footballguy
While I’d probably like my odds defending him at a trial for rape versus prosecuting him, certainly some things she wrote indicates sexual abuse may have occurred.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
Hey, I'd be OK with having separate threads for "Celebrity Convicted Rapists" (Bill Cosby, maybe soon to be Harvey Weinstein), "Celebrity Sexual Harassers" (Charlie Rose), "Celebrity Pervs" (Louis CK), and "Celebrity Relationship Abusers" (Hardwick), but I'm perfectly fine with lumping them all together in one thread.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Your list reminds me of "which one of these things is not like the others" questions.
[scooter]
Footballguy
Each one of these guys is the answer to the question "which one is not like the others" --
Cosby is different because he drugged his victims and, in theory, did not threaten them or force them to have sex.
Weinstein is different because he's the only one on the list who actually blackmailed and threatened women into sex-for-employment.
Rose is different because he never actually engaged in a sex act with any of the women he harassed.
CK is different because he "only" masturbated.
Hardwick is different because his girlfriend gave consent.
But every one of them is on the sexual predator spectrum.
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shadyridr
Footballguy
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Marital relations between man and woman, only one of whom is truly interested. The other party just lies there like said aquatic life form and allows the act to proceed without being truly engaged. Trying to describe the other probably won't fly.
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
Can we all agree that there are ####ed up, manipulative human beings? Can we then also agree that sometimes two of them can end up in a relationship together? If we can agree on those two very general statements, can we then come to an agreement that sometimes both sides did ####ty things? Rape and abuse are terrible crimes, however, there are often two sides of a story and this appears to be an accusation of abuse with little substantiation. I hope both parties receive the assistance that they may need, but don't think this should be tried in the court of public opinion. This is a dangerous trend of mob justice.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Have there been times when my wife and I have had sex and she wasn’t into it? Yep! Have there been times when my wife wanted to have sex with me and I wasn’t into it but did so anyways? Yep! How is this Hardwick story any different? They were in a 3 year relationship, basically marriage. This seems nothing like sexual abuse.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
The sex is just a minor part of the story, the emotional abuse over the term of the relationship is the bigger issue. It's being discussed in here because it's at least adjacent to the similar celebrity ####### stories not because anyone is calling Hardwick a sexual predator.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Everyone has flaws in their personalities. We as humans manipulate situations all the time to get outcomes we desire. Sometimes the manipulation is very conscious sometimes not. No relationship is perfect. There will always be situations or entire relationships that are unhealthy and it can go both ways. You can’t police the world towards perfect behavior. This is getting out of control imo. Rant to your friends and family and lean on them for support... that’s how you deal with a relationship like she described. You don’t post an article and make news of it. God forbid my ex wife were to do that and I was famous. Bottom line is we all have personality flaws and each of our relationships with other individuals can bring out any combination of outcomes. Human brain is complex and personalities just as complex.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
[scooter]
Footballguy
The difference is that there were no real consequences if you or your wife said "Not tonight honey."
But if Hardwick's ex had said "Not tonight", then she knew it would lead to a 5-hour argument where he berated her and gaslighted her and emotionally manipulated her.
When you say "Yes" to avoid being abused, then you're not really saying "Yes".
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
She was in a 3 year consensual relationship. I am failing to see the abuse that occurred. Having sex with your spouse/SO when you’re not into it does not equate to being abused.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Again, a big part of the cycle of abuse is that these things are taken away.
Just curious why you are so quick to put this #######'s behavior under the umbrella of "flaws in his personality" like this is a fairly natural and normal thing.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
You are focusing solely on the sexual and less on the emotional side of the abuse, and scooter described above exactly how your idea of "not tonight" and her's might have been different and gets into the sexual abuse side.
Are you also saying that abuse can't happen in a consensual relationship?
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Jayrok
Footballguy
Yeah, and I thought the thread was about A listers. Is Hardwick an A-lister? A weekly late night talk show [host] that has its fate tied to the success of a couple of cable shows.
pantherclub
Footballguy
if she has been caught lying and cheating then i dont know how can take that seriously.
by her own words she knew the deal 2 weeks in. she is to blame for any alleged "abuse"
