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The NE defense has finished top 10 in points allowed in 11 of Brady's 14 seasons as their QB (2001-2007, 2008-2015). Of course, in a few of those seasons, they ranked poorly in yards allowed, but Belichick's D often is often of the "bend but don't break" variety, meaning they will give up yards, but force turnovers and/or find ways to not give up a lot of points.
I give BB LOTS of credit, what he has done with the NE franchise is very impressive. However, the eye test says that many of those D's were not very good despite the Top 10 in points per game you referenced. Stats often lie.
... I would like to know which "years" you feel the NE defense was terrible under Belichick.
You can pick out a half season stretch like that for anyone.
... those pesky stats always getting in the way. Everyone knows the Canadian eye test is much more accurate (sorry, don't hate me).
Okay, but if we look at the losses in the Belichick/Brady era, there is only one you can put solely on the defense, the 2006 loss to the Colts in the AFCCG.
Pesky stats do indeed get in the way, it happens all the time. It screws up most conversations, especially on a message board.
Typically, this is what happens in post season games.
Right, and in 2013 people said what if brady is done. Others said give him a pass because he lost his top 3 targets. We said the same thing about rodgers - it's probably just that jordy is out, cobb is hurt and adams sucks. Now two games into the next year, jordy and cobb are ostensibly healthy and rodgers mechanics are off. We know that brady rebounded and had another mvp consideration season. Will rodgers do the same? What if rodgers is done as an elite option?
Rodgers hasn't performed at this level for some time now.
I don't know how this argument is happening without Peyton Manning. guy has one bad season, and suddenly he was nothing special? I'd take Manning's career over Brady or Rodgers pretty easily. 2 Rings, and every major passing record, both career and single season.
He eventually rebounded. Two games into the next season for Brady he had a YPA of 5.6, a QB rating in the 70's, and had yet to throw for 400 yards total. Again, no different so far. Rodgers hasn't hit his way out of the slump yet but he's still only just now approaching being as far into it as Brady was when he finally shook it off.bostonfred said:
Brady HAS performed that way. Rodgers' "bad" season was statistically better than almost half of Brady's.kyoun1e said:
Completely agree. They’re head and shoulders above every other team when it comes to coaching. And that comes straight from Belichick. When assistant coaches leave NE, they don’t have near the level of success anywhere else. It’s truly a marvel how prepared Belichick is every single year. He knows all the rules and how to use them to his advantage. He knows how to gameplam against anyone. He never gets too down when the situation looks dire and he always keeps the foot on the pedal. Amazing.
very true..BB is better, but the overall coaching staff is very good..they can't stand alone by themselves without BB ..not Weiss, or O'Brien, or McD, Crennel, etc..none have done anything outside of earshot of BB..
We'll likely never know.
Its a fun, if pointless debate to assign value to things that are so intertwined. People, especially me, like to pick apart why things happen, and who is most responsible for it, especially when it comes to such a high level of success.
Belichick has said his success is due to the players he has had. The players perform on game day. I'm happy Belichick has Brady and Walsh had Montana. I'm thankful both had fabulous organizations and so many coaches and players that all contributed to their success.
Those were 2 of the best non QB teams that the Patriots have fielded. The 3-1 team was 11-1 with Brady (and by the way Jimmy G played 1 full game (win) and had them up 24-0 in the 2nd and they barely held on to finish 31-24 (win). So it's hard to give credit to Brissett for the Dolphins win since the Pats were outscored by 17 in the half he played). The 11-5 team was pretty much the same personnel from that 2007 team. Cassel wasn't a total scrub either he went on to start and additional 66 games over the next 8 years and went a similar 10-5 with the Andy Reid coaching him in 2010. Much better than your average backup QB (although worse than your average starter).
Alex P Keaton said:
Marino/Shula is an interesting combo. Shula was still pretty young (53 when he got Marino) and paired with the leader of pretty much every passing stat when he retired.. Tomlin/Roethlisberger (they did win a ring) might be another many years from now since Tomlin has a shot at being the wins leader 30 years from now if the Steelers stick with him and stay successful.
BB & TB are joined at the hip no doubt and not sure that I disagree with your assessment on who would have likely won more.
Tomlin has no shot once Ben leaves, he would have to inherit another HOF Qb, I don't see that happening. Tomlin will be fired in 6 years after Ben retires. Any other team it would be 1 year.
I know. The Steelers philosophy of sticking with the same coach for a long period has really failed. This franchise has just been a wasteland under Noll, Cowher and Tomlin
Belichick > Brady
That whole season was smoke and mirrors. It was in the days before quantitative writers like Schatz, Barnwell and Clay had really broken through to explain concepts like regression to the mean, Pythagorean Expectation and turnover luck, but I remember it being really obvious at the time that KC wasn't a particularly good team and that their success wasn't sustainable. And sure enough, the following season they returned to mediocrity.Niles Standish said:
Seriously. If they want to win, they'll follow the Browns' example and turn over their coach/GM every year or two. How can you expect to have success unless you're constantly hitting the reset button?I know. The Steelers philosophy of sticking with the same coach for a long period has really failed. This franchise has just been a wasteland under Noll, Cowher and Tomlin
Brady taking over and the team starting to win was the catalyst that helped Belichick’s system take root.
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