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Royce Freeman? 

where do we put him on value for draft picks?

what kind of offense do people think Fangio/Scangarello runs? better for Lindsay, or Freeeman?

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Just now, Dr. Dan said:

Royce Freeman? 

where do we put him on value for draft picks?

what kind of offense do people think Fangio runs? better for Lindsay, or Freeeman?

Graham Barfield posted that Flacco targets RB’s at ~24% over the past three seasons. Someone is going to be valuable in that backfield.

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Start one QB league, 12 team TE premium

Team A has Baker, Dak at qb, Gurley, Fournette, Barkley at RB

Team B is offering Dalvin Cook straight up for Baker......

 

Thoughts?

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2 minutes ago, Pwingles said:

Start one QB league, 12 team TE premium

Team A has Baker, Dak at qb, Gurley, Fournette, Barkley at RB

Team B is offering Dalvin Cook straight up for Baker......

 

Thoughts?

Bye bye Baker

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13 minutes ago, roarlions said:

Thoughts on 2019 rookie pick 4 vs Phillip Lindsay?

For the entertainment value of sitting on that pick for next month I'd not give it up for Lindsay.  Though when it actually comes time to make the pick  I'm pretty sure I'd rather have Lindsay, especially in a  typical PPR  league.

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4 hours ago, fruity pebbles said:

Bye bye Baker

This.  Unless it’s a superflex, I’d almost always take the young top 10 dynasty running back.  

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18 minutes ago, roarlions said:

Thoughts on 2019 rookie pick 4 vs Phillip Lindsay?

I prefer Lindsay to any rookie running back in this class, but if I needed a wide receiver I wouldn’t trade that pick for Lindsay.  Could see either way really.

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13 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

I prefer Lindsay to any rookie running back in this class, but if I needed a wide receiver I wouldn’t trade that pick for Lindsay.  Could see either way really.

I should have mentioned that it was a PPR league. I'm in decent shape at WR but really desperate at RB.

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17 minutes ago, menobrown said:

For the entertainment value of sitting on that pick for next month I'd not give it up for Lindsay.  Though when it actually comes time to make the pick  I'm pretty sure I'd rather have Lindsay, especially in a  typical PPR  league.

I'm assuming that if Jacobs ends up in a reasonable situation he will be gone by pick 4. Not sure I'd take a different RB at that point and probably wouldn't want one compared to Lindsay.

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1 hour ago, roarlions said:

Thoughts on 2019 rookie pick 4 vs Phillip Lindsay?

1.04 >> Lindsay

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5 hours ago, Pwingles said:

Start one QB league, 12 team TE premium

Team A has Baker, Dak at qb, Gurley, Fournette, Barkley at RB

Team B is offering Dalvin Cook straight up for Baker......

 

Thoughts?

Some times gifts just fall out of the sky.

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3 hours ago, Biabreakable said:

Some times gifts just fall out of the sky.

yeah 😕

this owner is notorious for making bad deals and more than a few to me

honestly am considering declining because I think that some owners will rage quit the league

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1 minute ago, Pwingles said:

yeah 😕

this owner is notorious for making bad deals and more than a few to me

honestly am considering declining because I think that some owners will rage quit the league

LOL I can understand that concern.

Offer him something else on top of it so they can't complain about it. Really when you have a team like this in the league everyone should be trying to trade with the guy. If you don't take the sweet deals someone else will.

I remember a guy like this who was changing his team constantly with trades. Just could not stick with anything. He told me he doesn't feel confident in his rookie player evaluations, so I traded for all his picks and stop worrying about the vultures dining on his team.

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8 hours ago, Pwingles said:

Start one QB league, 12 team TE premium

Team A has Baker, Dak at qb, Gurley, Fournette, Barkley at RB

Team B is offering Dalvin Cook straight up for Baker......

 

Thoughts?

Guess I'm in the minority.  I'd rather have Baker than Cook.  I'd be trading Dak away if I were Team A.  

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35 minutes ago, Kleck said:

Guess I'm in the minority.  I'd rather have Baker than Cook.  I'd be trading Dak away if I were Team A.  

And getting what in return? a 3rd? 

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1 hour ago, Pwingles said:

yeah 😕

this owner is notorious for making bad deals and more than a few to me

honestly am considering declining because I think that some owners will rage quit the league

This is true.

 

Pwingles went back to back, same guy trying to move Cook sent him what would end up being the 1.01 (Saquan) when he already had the best team by a large margin.

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10 hours ago, Pwingles said:

Start one QB league, 12 team TE premium

Team A has Baker, Dak at qb, Gurley, Fournette, Barkley at RB

Team B is offering Dalvin Cook straight up for Baker......

 

Thoughts?

Ill take Baker. 

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10 hours ago, Pwingles said:

Start one QB league, 12 team TE premium

Team A has Baker, Dak at qb, Gurley, Fournette, Barkley at RB

Team B is offering Dalvin Cook straight up for Baker......

 

Thoughts?

23 year old possible RB1 for a QB.... I can't believe it we're discussing it. You have to be really low on Cook to even consider this.

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1 hour ago, Run It Up said:

Not only that its a 1 QB league and the guy trying to get Baker had Trubisky and Carr

Well then I would consider Baker to be a big improvement. But I'd easily take Cook.

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4 hours ago, Jello_Biafra said:

And getting what in return? a 3rd? 

Don't know, but I certainly wouldn't be trading Baker away.  

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15 hours ago, fruity pebbles said:

Bye bye Baker

Crazy....

 

4 hours ago, cloppbeast said:

23 year old possible RB1 for a QB.... I can't believe it we're discussing it. You have to be really low on Cook to even consider this.

Best Dalvin Cook will ever be is Gerald Riggs/Neal Anderson..if Dalvin Cook didn't break out his 2nd yr. I give Cook 3 yrs of production.

The fact that Dalvin Cook's Attempts per game dropped from 18 to 12 from yr 1 to yr 2 is a major red flag.

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7 hours ago, Unwrittenlaw said:

Crazy....

 

Best Dalvin Cook will ever be is Gerald Riggs/Neal Anderson..if Dalvin Cook didn't break out his 2nd yr. I give Cook 3 yrs of production.

The fact that Dalvin Cook's Attempts per game dropped from 18 to 12 from yr 1 to yr 2 is a major red flag.

That red flag got fired.

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8 hours ago, Unwrittenlaw said:

The fact that Dalvin Cook's Attempts per game dropped from 18 to 12 from yr 1 to yr 2 is a major red flag.

He tore his ACL during his rookie season. The first year back is generally a bit of a down year.

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I would feel better if he was signed to a team and he was expected to be recovered before week 1. Now would be the time to buy low if you like him. If you are a seller I'd hold for now.

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9 hours ago, Unwrittenlaw said:

Best Dalvin Cook will ever be is Gerald Riggs/Neal Anderson..if Dalvin Cook didn't break out his 2nd yr. I give Cook 3 yrs of production.

The fact that Dalvin Cook's Attempts per game dropped from 18 to 12 from yr 1 to yr 2 is a major red flag.

These facts help explain why you're low on Cook. Some people look for context to go with them there facts, which you might call hype. Somebody wanting to sell Cook should try to cash in on it instead of paying for the Mayfield hype.

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For real though, why is everyone so low on Ajayi? He tore the ACL on the other knee. There will be an opportunity for him eventually.

I'm not understanding the logic he's a has-been at 25. 

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6 minutes ago, cloppbeast said:

For real though, why is everyone so low on Ajayi? He tore the ACL on the other knee. There will be an opportunity for him eventually.

I'm not understanding the logic he's a has-been at 25. 

Because he's damaged goods that last did something in the 2nd half of the 2016 season and hasn't been signed a couple weeks into free agency. It's over.

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2 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Because he's damaged goods that last did something in the 2nd half of the 2016 season and hasn't been signed a couple weeks into free agency. It's over.

2016, the good ol' days when kid still played outside. 

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I really like Jay Ajayi but the fact that he is not signed and it being uncertain when he can play I would not be pursuing him.

I would still keep him or even draft him late though just to see what happens. He certainly is capable of being a good starter if healthy.

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1 hour ago, cloppbeast said:

For real though, why is everyone so low on Ajayi? He tore the ACL on the other knee. There will be an opportunity for him eventually.

I'm not understanding the logic he's a has-been at 25. 

He's basically the same age as Crowell, similar style of play, but less durable. 

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1 minute ago, FF Ninja said:

He's basically the same age as Crowell, similar style of play, but less durable. 

I wouldn't be shocked if the next time we see Crowell is taking handoffs in the AAF either though.

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1 hour ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Because he's damaged goods that last did something in the 2nd half of the 2016 season and hasn't been signed a couple weeks into free agency. It's over.

Philly signs him post draft

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Just now, Dr. Octopus said:

I wouldn't be shocked if the next time we see Crowell is taking handoffs in the AAF either though.

Hah. My point was that neither of them have much value at this point. If someone values one much higher then the other, it might be time to re-evaluate why.

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34 minutes ago, FF Ninja said:

Hah. My point was that neither of them have much value at this point. If someone values one much higher then the other, it might be time to re-evaluate why.

I think NFL teams may be wising up the dinosaur that is the two down back in today’s NFL.  They’re likely realizing that they don’t have to drop $2-3MM per year for one of these veteran guys (Ajayi, Crowell and even the Bears apparent willingness to trade Howard as his contract is about to expire), when they can just draft one in the 4th-6th rounds and move on from them in four years. 

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1 hour ago, FF Ninja said:

Hah. My point was that neither of them have much value at this point. If someone values one much higher then the other, it might be time to re-evaluate why.

I think people are just being impatient in assuming they're done because they havent been signed. Ajayi's case is a bit different. Recovering from a repaired ligament has a lot to do with his unemployment. Any team would rather get a rb in the draft if they can. No point to losing a roster spot by paying Ajayi to rehab. 

When injuries mount, or team doesnt get the back they want, or the back they wanted wasn't as good as they thought, somebody will sign him.

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10 minutes ago, cloppbeast said:

I think people are just being impatient in assuming they're done because they havent been signed. Ajayi's case is a bit different. Recovering from a repaired ligament has a lot to do with his unemployment. Any team would rather get a rb in the draft if they can. No point to losing a roster spot by paying Ajayi to rehab. 

When injuries mount, or team doesnt get the back they want, or the back they wanted wasn't as good as they thought, somebody will sign him.

And a head wound had a lot to do with Abe Lincoln's unemployment.

I kid, I KID!

Are you asking if he's worth a FFB roster spot you're pretty much answering your own question. Guys that only get signed when other guys are unavailable or underperform are waiver wire guys themselves.

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1 hour ago, SayWhat? said:

I think NFL teams may be wising up the dinosaur that is the two down back in today’s NFL.  They’re likely realizing that they don’t have to drop $2-3MM per year for one of these veteran guys (Ajayi, Crowell and even the Bears apparent willingness to trade Howard as his contract is about to expire), when they can just draft one in the 4th-6th rounds and move on from them in four years. 

I think that's overstating things a bit. The hit rate is still quite low in rounds 4-6. I'm also hesitant to label everybody who happens to play alongside a 3rd down specialist as a two down back. Plenty of players have shown ability in the receiving game when given a chance (Crowell caught 40 passes in 2016 on 53 targets). So it's not always that the player in the early down role is a dinosaur, it could easily just be that a team prefers to split the workload that way. 

That being said, NFL teams have definitely wised up to the fact that they don't need to spend a lot of money or draft capital on RBs anymore. I'm not sure, but it seems scat backs/3rd down specialists are even easier to find late than good early down backs. There are more Lindsay/Riddick types than there are Jordan Howards. 

16 minutes ago, cloppbeast said:

I think people are just being impatient in assuming they're done because they havent been signed. Ajayi's case is a bit different. Recovering from a repaired ligament has a lot to do with his unemployment. Any team would rather get a rb in the draft if they can. No point to losing a roster spot by paying Ajayi to rehab. 

When injuries mount, or team doesnt get the back they want, or the back they wanted wasn't as good as they thought, somebody will sign him.

Nobody is saying he's absolutely toast in the league, but fantasy football is a probability game and given what we've seen, his stock is circling the drain. I would pay very, very little for him in a trade. At best he's 2nd in line for carries to start the season (realistically - could be another Guice-type of preseason injury, but obviously unlikely). Nobody is trading anything valuable for backups at this point in the offseason.

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11 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

And a head wound had a lot to do with Abe Lincoln's unemployment.

I kid, I KID!

Are you asking if he's worth a FFB roster spot you're pretty much answering your own question. Guys that only get signed when other guys are unavailable or underperform are waiver wire guys themselves.

Maybe. If you're dropping him so you have a roster spot for your 4th rookie round pick, I'll just take my chances on Ajayi. 

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2 minutes ago, FF Ninja said:

Nobody is saying he's absolutely toast in the league, but fantasy football is a probability game and given what we've seen, his stock is circling the drain. I would pay very, very little for him in a trade. At best he's 2nd in line for carries to start the season (realistically - could be another Guice-type of preseason injury, but obviously unlikely). Nobody is trading anything valuable for backups at this point in the offseason.

I get it. I'm not trying to trade the guy.

I dont even have a problem with his value given his medical history. Only that people think he's toast. Not that it really matters. But the talent he had at 22 didnt suddenly disappear by 25 just because he has bad knees.

What about Gurley too? Despite arthritis he is still a top 10 dynasty asset. Its hypocritical and it hurts my feelings a little. Man enough to admit it.

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3 minutes ago, cloppbeast said:

What about Gurley too? Despite arthritis he is still a top 10 dynasty asset. Its hypocritical and it hurts my feelings a little. Man enough to admit it.

Gurley's value has dipped slightly since that news, but he still as two back to back top-3 RB  finishes on his resume and is locked up with a massive deal on one of the best offenses in the league for the next four seasons.  

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was offered Miller, Foreman, 2019 1.4 and 2020 1st for CMC in a PPR.   I am thinking no way....Not even close....

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21 minutes ago, DreamTheater said:

was offered Miller, Foreman, 2019 1.4 and 2020 1st for CMC in a PPR.   I am thinking no way....Not even close....

for me this is way off

might consider if there was another early '20 1st  in the mix, and i wasnt close to competing

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3 hours ago, DreamTheater said:

was offered Miller, Foreman, 2019 1.4 and 2020 1st for CMC in a PPR.   I am thinking no way....Not even close....

Two 1sts for McCaffrey is two firsts short of the four he's worth. 

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23 hours ago, JoeJoe88 said:

Gurley's value has dipped slightly since that news, but he still as two back to back top-3 RB  finishes on his resume and is locked up with a massive deal on one of the best offenses in the league for the next four seasons.  

I personally would be selling Gurley as quickly as possible. As I understand it from a few things I've seen from Doctor's is that there isn't much they can do but manage pain for arthritis, it is degenerative, and this arthritis is a direct result of his knee surgery. It is the reason you heard the Rams mention stem cell therapy because there isn't really any established medicine that can help him, main thing the knee needs is rest. So while his talent isn't gone, his workhorse/overuse days certainly are and going forward you have a committee back with a shorter career. Anyone taking him in the top 10 is incorrect in my book, he won't be on my 2019 teams

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4 hours ago, DreamTheater said:

was offered Miller, Foreman, 2019 1.4 and 2020 1st for CMC in a PPR.   I am thinking no way....Not even close....

Not close.

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58 minutes ago, Aunt Jemima said:

I personally would be selling Gurley as quickly as possible. As I understand it from a few things I've seen from Doctor's is that there isn't much they can do but manage pain for arthritis, it is degenerative, and this arthritis is a direct result of his knee surgery. It is the reason you heard the Rams mention stem cell therapy because there isn't really any established medicine that can help him, main thing the knee needs is rest. So while his talent isn't gone, his workhorse/overuse days certainly are and going forward you have a committee back with a shorter career. Anyone taking him in the top 10 is incorrect in my book, he won't be on my 2019 teams

Right. Its concerning to me he couldnt play the end of the season, not even in the SB, but never got injured. It was just a flare up or whatever. 

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