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I feel like we hear that about every running QB that comes out now though. And ultimately if they really are that good as a passer they end up running a lot less (Wilson) or they end up running so much their passing takes a big step back (Cam, RG3).
He has better arm talent than Cam and he has better pocket awareness than RG3. He's also significantly faster than RG3 which is insane.
I think there's a bit of hindsight there personally. RG3's passing stats were on par his last year in college with Murray's (granted in a stat friendly system in Baylor, but it's not like OU isn't a QB friendly offense). And if you'll recall RG3 was actually a mid-1st round rookie pick even in 1qb leagues (whereas Murray is an early 2nd) because, like I'm hearing here, he was a combination of passing and running the likes of which has never existed before.Milkman said:
Yeah I was high on RG3 too. If Murray reacts in the pocket or reads the field poorly like RG3 then he'll bust. I get the apprehension and doubt many posters have in here. I love the fit with Kliff Kingsbury and I high on him. All that's left is to see how he performs. I'm excited!
It just seems kind of interesting to me that we've seen guys come out and be elite runners and elite passers for a few years but then always regress in one area or the other. Like once they've run really well for a while they lean on it too much as a crutch and don't continue developing as a passer the way they should. Or they go the Russell Wilson route and develop as a passer at the expense of rushing stats at times.
Did Ito really look ok? Sell me on this take. He looked very average from what I saw. He avg 3.5 ypc. Coleman avg 4.8 ypc behind the same line. My perception is Ito has the beneficiary of a lack of depth behind Coleman. I would rather take a flyer on Ollison. Much cheaper.
I own Rodgers in 12 team league. I wouldn’t move him for less then a younger QB + a 2020 1st. I know that is above market price but I am a fan boy and honestly not concern about his age. Barring injury he is gold for 3 more years minimum.
I've been trying to send him (in an FFPC league where he's my #2 behind Watson) for Winston and a late 2020 1st with no luck so far
I’m not sure there’s that much implied difference between “ok” and “average.” Basically he didn’t do anything special but nothing I’ve ever read seemed to indicate he was missing gaping holes like Trent Richardson, putting the ball on the ground, going down to arm tackles/at first contact, etc. His numbers just weren’t anything to write home about. Whether you wanna call that ok, average, just a guy, etc is fine by me—there’s also some distinction between that vs actively bad.
When he got in the lineup the last 2 weeks, Brian Hill seemed like a much better runner than Ito Smith. He and Ollison both have the size that Freeman and Smith don't as well, so its a fluid situation. I think there is a decent chance that if Freeman can't stay healthy, that Atlanta has a worthless running game, because in addition to the players being less effective, they'll also split more.
Significantly faster than RG3 seems like overstating it. It was all straight line, but didn't RG3 run an official 4.41? And as a healthy rookie outran entire NFL defenses.Milkman said:
Murray is a low 4.3 guy. Here's the proof if you haven't seen it.
Ya I read OK as average, which gives Ito more credit than he deserves in my view. I agree he didn’t do anything special, which explains my position. I am aware of Freeman’s start, so there is a chance Ito becomes an asset. I just don’t understand the optimism.
Well he's in a dead heat with a guy that ran a 4.31 40 so unless one of his legs falls off he can run a 4.3 something.
Not even close to assume that. There are so many factors that can prove he’s not a 4.3 guy just solely based on that video. Pretty common sense what they are.
It was a 20 yard sprint and they were even........I guess I'll let you think what you want.
to be fair, you're assuming a lot. 20 yards is nothing. Some guys take some time to get up to 4.3 speed for the 40 yard dash. Some guys start fast and get tired. you cant make major assumptions based off a "race" half the distance of one previously measured. 2.15 in the 20 yard dash does not equal 4.3 in the 40 yard dash. just as a 4.3 40 yard dash does not equal a 8.6 80 yard dash.
I agree.
If 2 & 3 don't make their picks I think you get excited that you can have either Harry or Montgomery, whichever 4 doesn't take.
Yes because that's primarily what you get with this class a bunch of guys in a timeshare or #2 type WRs.
If you are intent on going RB, I would be very happy with either Sanders or Montgomery at 1.05. BPA in terms of rookie draft capital is Harry, but I would take him only to then try to trade him away.
Wow so guys that theoretically have bad teams don’t even bother to use the high picks they earned?
Yeah that's what I was thinking.
I agree about Harry but he is extremely flippable.
Yeah those picks don't get skipped in any league I'm in, or I'm not in it anymore. Ruins the integrity of the league to skip the picks, the owners need to be replaced ASAP if they're missing the draft. Otherwise nothing is as it should have been in the draft. Nevermind the fact that a league can't be competitive under these conditions. And what's the point of winning by 'lucking into' picks that should have belonged to the inactive owners? It's a waste of time.
Isabella talks Murray
Hockenson. If you don’t want a TE it’s a tough one for me. I’ve had that choice and taken jjaw, Isabella and Brown once each in 3 different leagues. There’s things I like and dislike quite a bit with each. Haskins and Johnson are reaches imo.
Isabella for me. Still underrated in rookie drafts. I should say though that I would never draft JJAW or Hockensen - just not a fan at all.
Hockenson most times, Isabella if not him. Super easy choice, the rest aren't worth it to me.
Probably a little late seeing it, but I'd rank those guys:
Nope. Isabella has Fitzgerald, Kirk and Butler to compete with. Even David Johnson. You are thinking of Paris Campbell.
I think he wins snaps from Agholor sooner than later. Djax isn't a high volume guy. Jeffery will miss games. Ertz is the biggest target barrier. That is year one, though. Year two JJAW is the #1b to Ertz #1a.
Trayveon Williams, Dexter Williams, Bruce Anderson. In no order but Bruce could be a darkhorse if Jones and Barber both suck as much as everyone thinks.
I love Arcega-Whiteside, and thought he should have been a 1st round pick, but I think people are really putting Alshon Jeffery out to pasture prematurely. He's been a top-20 WR over the last 2 years on a per game basis, despite not being healthy for much of that time, and switching between QB's. He's a pretty significant roadblock.
I don't think its a bad one either. I see no reason why Hockenson can't be the #2 target after Golladay going forward. Jones, Amendola, and Riddick are all good bets to not be on the team in 2020, and its possible Hockenson passes all of them in the pecking order this year anyway.
Yeah you're a lot higher on him than me. I'm trying to remember the last time detroit had a top 10 TE in FF. Not saying they haven't but I can't recall one.....
Pettigrew had a top-10 year, maybe 2. But I'm not sure the Lions track record at TE really matters. Bevell has had top-10 TE's, and obviously the Patriots did too. Its clearly a position that Patricia and co. value, or else they wouldn't have taken a guy in the top-10.
2010 and 2011 Pettigrew were decent. Been a bad place for TE since and it wasn't like Pettigrew was amazing. So they had a mid level TE 1 once when Stafford threw for 5000k and 41 TDs. Stafford has only broke 30 tds in a season once since than.
