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6 hours ago, Mr. Peterson said:

I’m not arguing he isnt a 4.3 guy.  But that video does not prove that.  

Well he's in a dead heat with a guy that ran a 4.31 40 so unless one of his legs falls off he can run a 4.3 something. 

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Any rg3 comparison to Murray is moot.  The NFL wasn't playing the college concepts that made the previous generation of qbs so proficient in college.  Nearly all of the qbs drafted around the few years rg3 was have flamed out as they never adapted to the pro game.  But now the pro game has changed to fit the college game, and a QB with Murray's abilities is perfect for the air raid offense.

 

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4 hours ago, Milkman said:

Well he's in a dead heat with a guy that ran a 4.31 40 so unless one of his legs falls off he can run a 4.3 something. 

Not even close to assume that.  There are so many factors that can prove he’s not a 4.3 guy just solely based on that video.  Pretty common sense what they are.

Again, I’m not denying he can’t.  But there is no way you can suggest he can run a 4.3 just because he was able to keep close while doing sprints during practice.  

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13 minutes ago, Mr. Peterson said:

Not even close to assume that.  There are so many factors that can prove he’s not a 4.3 guy just solely based on that video.  Pretty common sense what they are.

Again, I’m not denying he can’t.  But there is no way you can suggest he can run a 4.3 just because he was able to keep close while doing sprints during practice.  

It was a 20 yard sprint and they were even........I guess I'll let you think what you want. 

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11 minutes ago, Milkman said:

It was a 20 yard sprint and they were even........I guess I'll let you think what you want. 

to be fair, you're assuming a lot. 20 yards is nothing. Some guys take some time to get up to 4.3 speed for the 40 yard dash. Some guys start fast and get tired. you cant make major assumptions based off a "race" half the distance of one previously measured. 2.15 in the 20 yard dash does not equal 4.3 in the 40 yard dash. just as a 4.3 40 yard dash does not equal a 8.6 80 yard dash. 

 

ETA: If Murray can run a 4.3 40 yard dash, then he should have ran at the combine. 

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4 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

to be fair, you're assuming a lot. 20 yards is nothing. Some guys take some time to get up to 4.3 speed for the 40 yard dash. Some guys start fast and get tired. you cant make major assumptions based off a "race" half the distance of one previously measured. 2.15 in the 20 yard dash does not equal 4.3 in the 40 yard dash. just as a 4.3 40 yard dash does not equal a 8.6 80 yard dash. 

Yeah you're probably right. He probably would have beat Isabella. Lol

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Does it really matter? I think he's going to be awesome and potentially a fantasy game changer but arguing whether he runs a 4.3, or is faster than Isabella or RG3 seems kind of pointless. 

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Why would Kyler run a 40 at the combine when he had everything to lose, and nada to gain? He was picked first overall. Judging by the video, and the dude he’s up against, he runs 4.3-4.5.

Good enough for me. 

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5 hours ago, Dr. Dan said:

to be fair, you're assuming a lot. 20 yards is nothing. Some guys take some time to get up to 4.3 speed for the 40 yard dash. Some guys start fast and get tired. you cant make major assumptions based off a "race" half the distance of one previously measured. 2.15 in the 20 yard dash does not equal 4.3 in the 40 yard dash. just as a 4.3 40 yard dash does not equal a 8.6 80 yard dash. 

 

ETA: If Murray can run a 4.3 40 yard dash, then he should have ran at the combine. 

Murray got drafted 1.01, he played his cards perfectly.

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8 hours ago, RushHour said:

Does it really matter? I think he's going to be awesome and potentially a fantasy game changer but arguing whether he runs a 4.3, or is faster than Isabella or RG3 seems kind of pointless. 

I agree. 

it's great people are excited over him. he could have a bright future. at the same time I think pumping the brakes wouldnt be a bad idea. Next thing will be Murrays sweat cures cancer. 

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Who is the best value at around 1.05 rookie pick as of now in PPR? 1.02 & 1.03 had their clock expire so 1.04 is up & I have 1.05. Jacobs went 1.01. I'm not sure who to take. I need RB depth & a backup QB (To Goff), but also maybe trading down is better? Hmm..

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1 hour ago, hispeedthinmint said:

Who is the best value at around 1.05 rookie pick as of now in PPR? 1.02 & 1.03 had their clock expire so 1.04 is up & I have 1.05. Jacobs went 1.01. I'm not sure who to take. I need RB depth & a backup QB (To Goff), but also maybe trading down is better? Hmm..

If 2 & 3 don't make their picks I think you get excited that you can have either Harry or Montgomery, whichever 4 doesn't take.

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2 hours ago, Dr. Dan said:

I agree. 

it's great people are excited over him. he could have a bright future. at the same time I think pumping the brakes wouldnt be a bad idea. Next thing will be Murrays sweat cures cancer. 

Yep i heard that last year about Mahomes. Doesn't mean I'm right about Murray but pumping the brakes isn't always the right move. 

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2 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

If 2 & 3 don't make their picks I think you get excited that you can have either Harry or Montgomery, whichever 4 doesn't take.

I'm not high on either, though. Overdrafted b/c Pats & timeshare for Mont... Am I overthinking?

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1 minute ago, hispeedthinmint said:

I'm not high on either, though. Overdrafted b/c Pats & timeshare for Mont... Am I overthinking?

Yes because that's primarily what you get with this class a bunch of guys in a timeshare or #2 type WRs.

The Pats offense will be drastically different and Harry has the requisite tools. And Montgomery is in the best position for the best numbers in a timeshare (unless you think Gurley is done).

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5 hours ago, hispeedthinmint said:

Who is the best value at around 1.05 rookie pick as of now in PPR? 1.02 & 1.03 had their clock expire so 1.04 is up & I have 1.05. Jacobs went 1.01. I'm not sure who to take. I need RB depth & a backup QB (To Goff), but also maybe trading down is better? Hmm..

If you are intent on going RB, I would be very happy with either Sanders or Montgomery at 1.05.  BPA in terms of rookie draft capital is Harry, but I would take him only to then try to trade him away.

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5 hours ago, hispeedthinmint said:

Who is the best value at around 1.05 rookie pick as of now in PPR? 1.02 & 1.03 had their clock expire so 1.04 is up & I have 1.05. Jacobs went 1.01. I'm not sure who to take. I need RB depth & a backup QB (To Goff), but also maybe trading down is better? Hmm..

Wow so guys that theoretically have bad teams don’t even bother to use the high picks they earned?

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4 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Wow so guys that theoretically have bad teams don’t even bother to use the high picks they earned?

Yeah that's what I was thinking. 

6 hours ago, hispeedthinmint said:

I'm not high on either, though. Overdrafted b/c Pats & timeshare for Mont... Am I overthinking?

I agree about Harry but he is extremely flippable.

Personally I like Montgomery to emerge as a 3 down back in Chicago. I think Cohen will also play 3 downs but it will be something like two series for Montgomery one for Cohen. If they are in catchup mode they maybe lean heavier to Cohen if it's run out the clock or ball control modes they lean more to Montgomery. I don't think their defense will put them in a bunch of catchup scenarios. Also I really like the way Montgomery runs and I think he will really emerge there. But that's just my homer 10 cents. I also would have ran to make both those picks and not looked back. Henderson is the other one I would consider but maybe you can move back with Harry and get Henderson that way? Sanders is the one I think get stuck in a timeshare. Montgomery gets 60%+ in my opinion and that is as good as you'll get out of this draft.

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4 hours ago, Dave Stauff said:

Something wrong with a dyno when two of the top three rookie picks go unclaimed . . . just sayin'

Yeah those picks don't get skipped in any league I'm in, or I'm not in it anymore. Ruins the integrity of the league to skip the picks, the owners need to be replaced ASAP if they're missing the draft. Otherwise nothing is as it should have been in the draft. Nevermind the fact that a league can't be competitive under these conditions. And what's the point of winning by 'lucking into' picks that should have belonged to the inactive owners? It's a waste of time.

I'd be embarrassed to post about being in that league, nevermind asking for advice about it. 

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7 hours ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

Yeah those picks don't get skipped in any league I'm in, or I'm not in it anymore. Ruins the integrity of the league to skip the picks, the owners need to be replaced ASAP if they're missing the draft. Otherwise nothing is as it should have been in the draft. Nevermind the fact that a league can't be competitive under these conditions. And what's the point of winning by 'lucking into' picks that should have belonged to the inactive owners? It's a waste of time.

I'd be embarrassed to post about being in that league, nevermind asking for advice about it. 

One of them finally showed up & picked Campbell. I am the commish so will look to replace the other guy. Screw this crapola

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1 hour ago, hispeedthinmint said:

One of them finally showed up & picked Campbell. I am the commish so will look to replace the other guy. Screw this crapola

Fant went at 1.03...wtf

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On 7/16/2019 at 7:30 PM, Milkman said:

Yeah you're probably right. He probably would have beat Isabella. Lol

Isabella talks Murray

"I started smokin' him and he got mad, and that was the only one he came close to beating me"

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Guys, if all  are there with you OTC in your dynasty PPR rookie draft in mid 2nd, which do you take? Isabella, JJAW , Hockenson, D. Johnson, Haskins or M. Brown? I flip flop between Isabella & JJAW

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9 minutes ago, hispeedthinmint said:

Guys, if all  are there with you OTC in your dynasty PPR rookie draft in mid 2nd, which do you take? Isabella, JJAW , Hockenson, D. Johnson, Haskins or M. Brown? I flip flop between Isabella & JJAW

Hockenson. If you don’t want a TE it’s a tough one for me. I’ve had that choice and taken jjaw, Isabella and Brown once each in 3 different leagues. There’s things I like and dislike quite a bit with each. Haskins and Johnson are reaches imo.

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29 minutes ago, hispeedthinmint said:

Guys, if all  are there with you OTC in your dynasty PPR rookie draft in mid 2nd, which do you take? Isabella, JJAW , Hockenson, D. Johnson, Haskins or M. Brown? I flip flop between Isabella & JJAW

Isabella for me. Still underrated in rookie drafts. I should say though that I would never draft JJAW or Hockensen - just not a fan at all. 

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1 hour ago, hispeedthinmint said:

Guys, if all  are there with you OTC in your dynasty PPR rookie draft in mid 2nd, which do you take? Isabella, JJAW , Hockenson, D. Johnson, Haskins or M. Brown? I flip flop between Isabella & JJAW

Hockenson most times, Isabella if not him.  Super easy choice, the rest aren't worth it to me.  

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8 hours ago, RushHour said:

Isabella for me. Still underrated in rookie drafts. I should say though that I would never draft JJAW or Hockensen - just not a fan at all. 

Why not?

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12 hours ago, voiceofunreason said:

Hockenson. If you don’t want a TE it’s a tough one for me. I’ve had that choice and taken jjaw, Isabella and Brown once each in 3 different leagues. There’s things I like and dislike quite a bit with each. Haskins and Johnson are reaches imo.

Personally, I would rather have Fant at a cheaper price.

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14 hours ago, hispeedthinmint said:

Guys, if all  are there with you OTC in your dynasty PPR rookie draft in mid 2nd, which do you take? Isabella, JJAW , Hockenson, D. Johnson, Haskins or M. Brown? I flip flop between Isabella & JJAW

Probably a little late seeing it, but I'd rank those guys:

Hockenson>JJAW>Isabella>Hollywood>Haskins>Johnson

I could probably make a case for a WR, if you are loaded at TE, although there are probably only about 5-6 TE's I like much more than Hockenson going forward. 

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2 hours ago, Johnny B. Goode said:

JJAW and Isabella round 2 are just absolute steals. Should be taken much much higher. 

It's between them for me & I can't decide! I'm good at WR so I can wait a year to use em. Hock is gone

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35 minutes ago, travdogg said:

Probably a little late seeing it, but I'd rank those guys:

Hockenson>JJAW>Isabella>Hollywood>Haskins>Johnson

I could probably make a case for a WR, if you are loaded at TE, although there are probably only about 5-6 TE's I like much more than Hockenson going forward. 

Detroit isn't exactly a great landing spot for TE........

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While I really think JJAW has more long term potential (career longevity) in the Eagles offense (with little competition), but for the next 3 years Isabella is the pick I would take. 

He has more opportunity only having Funchess as competition.  I like Isabella almost as much as Deebo.  

I don't see Hock doing much in that offense.  Ker Johnson & Galloday will control everything.  Marvin Jones (29 yo) or Amedola (33) will be the #2 passing option leaving little for TE. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Birdie048 said:

While I really think JJAW has more long term potential (career longevity) in the Eagles offense (with little competition), but for the next 3 years Isabella is the pick I would take. 

He has more opportunity only having Funchess as competition.  I like Isabella almost as much as Deebo.  

I don't see Hock doing much in that offense.  Ker Johnson & Galloday will control everything.  Marvin Jones (29 yo) or Amedola (33) will be the #2 passing option leaving little for TE. 

 

Nope. Isabella has Fitzgerald, Kirk and Butler to compete with. Even David Johnson. You are thinking of Paris Campbell.

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1 minute ago, barackdhouse said:

Nope. Isabella has Fitzgerald, Kirk and Butler to compete with. Even David Johnson. You are thinking of Paris Campbell.

TY.. my bad.  

I don't know why I put him on Indy....  Then I want JJAW. 

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1 minute ago, hispeedthinmint said:

JJAW has just as much in front of him...

I think he wins snaps from Agholor sooner than later. Djax isn't a high volume guy. Jeffery will miss games. Ertz is the biggest target barrier. That is year one, though. Year two JJAW is the #1b to Ertz #1a. 

But you're right there is a lot in front of him. 

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21 minutes ago, hispeedthinmint said:

I went JJAW

I think you’ll be happy next year.  Good luck.

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5 minutes ago, hispeedthinmint said:

Which late round rookie draft RBs is everyone looking at?

Trayveon Williams, Dexter Williams, Bruce Anderson. In no order but Bruce could be a darkhorse if Jones and Barber both suck as much as everyone thinks. 

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35 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

I think he wins snaps from Agholor sooner than later. Djax isn't a high volume guy. Jeffery will miss games. Ertz is the biggest target barrier. That is year one, though. Year two JJAW is the #1b to Ertz #1a. 

But you're right there is a lot in front of him. 

I love Arcega-Whiteside, and thought he should have been a 1st round pick, but I think people are really putting Alshon Jeffery out to pasture prematurely. He's been a top-20 WR over the last 2 years on a per game basis, despite not being healthy for much of that time, and switching between QB's. He's a pretty significant roadblock.

I do agree on Agholor and Jackson though. By year's end, I would hope the Eagles are running a base offense of Sanders-Jeffery-JJAW-Ertz-Goedert, because that seems like a nightmare for opposing defenses.

57 minutes ago, Milkman said:

Detroit isn't exactly a great landing spot for TE........

I don't think its a bad one either. I see no reason why Hockenson can't be the #2 target after Golladay going forward. Jones, Amendola, and Riddick are all good bets to not be on the team in 2020, and its possible Hockenson passes all of them in the pecking order this year anyway.

 

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2 minutes ago, travdogg said:

 

I don't think its a bad one either. I see no reason why Hockenson can't be the #2 target after Golladay going forward. Jones, Amendola, and Riddick are all good bets to not be on the team in 2020, and its possible Hockenson passes all of them in the pecking order this year anyway.

 

Yeah you're a lot higher on him than me. I'm trying to remember the last time detroit had a top 10 TE in FF. Not saying they haven't but I can't recall one.....

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15 minutes ago, Milkman said:

Yeah you're a lot higher on him than me. I'm trying to remember the last time detroit had a top 10 TE in FF. Not saying they haven't but I can't recall one.....

Pettigrew had a top-10 year, maybe 2. But I'm not sure the Lions track record at TE really matters. Bevell has had top-10 TE's, and obviously the Patriots did too. Its clearly a position that Patricia and co. value, or else they wouldn't have taken a guy in the top-10. 

I don't think it should be held against the current Lions staff, that the prior staff got less out of Ebron than the Colts did. 

I'm actually not a giant fan of his, I though he went about a dozen picks too high in the draft, but, he's there now, and they clearly really like him, so I'm mostly on board. I rate him at rookie pick 1.7 myself. 

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32 minutes ago, travdogg said:

Pettigrew had a top-10 year, maybe 2. But I'm not sure the Lions track record at TE really matters. Bevell has had top-10 TE's, and obviously the Patriots did too. Its clearly a position that Patricia and co. value, or else they wouldn't have taken a guy in the top-10. 

I don't think it should be held against the current Lions staff, that the prior staff got less out of Ebron than the Colts did. 

I'm actually not a giant fan of his, I though he went about a dozen picks too high in the draft, but, he's there now, and they clearly really like him, so I'm mostly on board. I rate him at rookie pick 1.7 myself. 

2010 and 2011 Pettigrew were decent. Been a bad place for TE since and it wasn't like Pettigrew was amazing. So they had a mid level TE 1 once when Stafford threw for 5000k and 41 TDs. Stafford has only broke 30 tds in a season once since than.

 

I just don't see it as a great landing spot and won't be drafting him on any of my teams. If I like what I see on the field I'll trade for him in the offseason because I see his value going down this season because of a lack of targets. 

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10 hours ago, hispeedthinmint said:

Why not?

In the case of Hockenson, I much prefer Fant as an overall prospect and especially for fantasy. That's part of it (although I know it's irrelevant to this scenario). I just don't see much upside with Hockenson - he's more 'solid' to me and I'm less interested in that. In the case of JJAW, I have concerns about his ability to separate in the NFL and I just think people are expecting too much out of him, I presume based on his situation in a year or two. He just looks like a decent WR3 type to me.  

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16 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

I think he wins snaps from Agholor sooner than later. Djax isn't a high volume guy. Jeffery will miss games. Ertz is the biggest target barrier. That is year one, though. Year two JJAW is the #1b to Ertz #1a. 

But you're right there is a lot in front of him. 

Agholor has been a rumor cut ($$) for a while;  Alshon will likely not be back after 2020 (his new contract is back loaded IIRC).   DJax is here for 1 year?  He will turn 33 during the season and has clearly lost a step and I believe he might be more a "mentor" to JJAW than WR target from other than 3-4 WR sets. 

True that Ertz & RB in Play Action role will be heavily involved, but I believe JJAW will be the Eagles WR1 in 2021.  

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51 minutes ago, Birdie048 said:

Agholor has been a rumor cut ($$) for a while;  Alshon will likely not be back after 2020 (his new contract is back loaded IIRC).   DJax is here for 1 year?  He will turn 33 during the season and has clearly lost a step and I believe he might be more a "mentor" to JJAW than WR target from other than 3-4 WR sets. 

True that Ertz & RB in Play Action role will be heavily involved, but I believe JJAW will be the Eagles WR1 in 2021.  

Agholor is a UFA after this season.

You left out Dallas Goedert. I believe he'll be a big part of their passing game, particularly in the RZ. The Eagles have a lot of receiving weapons.

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