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10 hours ago, hispeedthinmint said:

I think that's fair value for Kupp. I am shopping him in the PPR dynasty I have him in. I need RB depth & I am in win now mode so I'd like to move him fora RB. I have no idea what sort of RBs I should try to get for him, though.

I was offered the very vague outline of "do you want to work something out centered on him and Kamara" in my dynasty league.  Unfortunately we're still on last year's salary cap so I had to table any discussion until the league rolled over.

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Anyone know how to value top IDP guys? What's a top LB like Leonard or DE like Hunter worth, as an example.

It's easier to figure when they're included in a package deal with offensive players, but when it's exclusively IDP it's tougher.

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8 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Anyone know how to value top IDP guys? What's a top LB like Leonard or DE like Hunter worth, as an example.

It's easier to figure when they're included in a package deal with offensive players, but when it's exclusively IDP it's tougher.

So much depends on scoring when talking about IDP, particularly when trading offense for defense. Generally, the top DEs are worth the most cause there are fewer of them. 

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1 hour ago, Dr. Dan said:

you're looking around the lines of Melvin Gordon, Jonathan Taylor, JK Dobbins according to DTC. 

Kupp is a hold for me. When he was a target hog the Rams were winning. When he wasn't, they looked incompetent. If it was that obvious to Armchair Joe, then it's obvious to McVay. I expect them to change that in 2020. I understand wanting to move him for a rb if you need a rb

Maybe I should move K. Allen instead, but his value has to be much less than Kupp, right? I could also move M. Evans or D. Adams or even DJ Moore as well. Pretty deep @ WR, but not at RB. Start 3 WR & 2 flex.

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58 minutes ago, hispeedthinmint said:

Maybe I should move K. Allen instead, but his value has to be much less than Kupp, right? I could also move M. Evans or D. Adams or even DJ Moore as well. Pretty deep @ WR, but not at RB. Start 3 WR & 2 flex.

This seems to be one of those times where you offer up any and all of those guys and see which guy gets you what you want. You sometimes find that you can trade a lesser guy for a lesser RB but you might get an offer for one of your better WR that greatly improves your RB position.

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5 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Anyone know how to value top IDP guys? What's a top LB like Leonard or DE like Hunter worth, as an example.

It's easier to figure when they're included in a package deal with offensive players, but when it's exclusively IDP it's tougher.

Too much league variance for a one size fits all answer.  In a league where you only play 2 IDP players they are almost useless and have no value.  In a league where you start just as many IDP's as offensive players it evens out some but only if the scoring is equivalent.  If the IDP's score 5% of the offensive players then their value takes a hit again.

 

If the scoring is big play scoring (4+pts per sack vs 1 pt per tackle) then DE's and Rush LB's really increase in value.  If it's more balanced then the tackle hogs are premium.  It also has a lot to do with how your other league owners value them.  If they are afterthoughts they won't carry much value either. 

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1 hour ago, Pwingles said:

Where are we valuing Ekeler right now? 12 team ppr, start 1-3 rb

Anywhere between RB10 and RB20 overall I think.  Depends on your view about Gordon and what's going to happen at QB.  A lot can change for that team in general, that makes the players either a buy low, or sell now.  Personally I think they're a QB away but they have no fan base and no home crowd so no field advantage which I think is an underrated aspect of NFL football.  Either way that puts him in line with a mid 1st value I think.  

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2 hours ago, fruity pebbles said:

So much depends on scoring when talking about IDP, particularly when trading offense for defense. Generally, the top DEs are worth the most cause there are fewer of them. 

 

45 minutes ago, Gally said:

Too much league variance for a one sits fits all answer.  In a league where you only play 2 IDP players they are almost useless and have no value.  In a league where you start just as many IDP's as offensive players it evens out some but only if the scoring is equivalent.  If the IDP's score 5% of the offensive players then their value takes a hit again.

 

If the scoring is big play scoring (4+pts per sack vs 1 pt per tackle) then DE's and Rush LB's really increase in value.  If it's more balanced then the tackle hogs are premium.  It also has a lot to do with how your other league owners value them.  If they are afterthoughts they won't carry much value either. 

So...No. 

Which is what I thought.

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22 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

So...No. 

Which is what I thought.

There's an entire IDP forum that may be better suited to your question

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Just now, tangfoot said:

There's an entire IDP forum that may be better suited to your question

Have you ever been there? It's not exactly the Library of Congress.

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Just now, Andy Dufresne said:

Have you ever been there? It's not exactly the Library of Congress.

It's still better than asking here.  DM some of the guys or the FBGs who post IDP articles, I'm sure they'd all be thrilled to talk your ear off.

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1 minute ago, tangfoot said:

It's still better than asking here.  DM some of the guys or the FBGs who post IDP articles, I'm sure they'd all be thrilled to talk your ear off.

No, it's not. But thanks.

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2 hours ago, Pwingles said:

Where are we valuing Ekeler right now? 12 team ppr, start 1-3 rb

Woke up today to someone trying to trade him to me for both 6 and 8.

I consider him a sell. His fantasy production was under 5 points per game as a runner, about 15 as a receiver and both of those numbers dipped when Gordon was available and I expect them to add another RB.  I like RB's who are heavily involved in the passing game, but when it's mainly what you do you are basically Tarik Cohen which is not horrible but not worth what people are paying either.

Cohen slumped last year but his 2018 season was not that wildly far from what Cohen's season looked like when Gordon was playing last year.

Cohen in 2018, 6.18 carriers per game, 3.88 fantasy points per game as a rusher.  5.56 targets per game/ 4.43 receptions per game, 10.85 fantasy points per game as a receiver. Total fantasy production 14.73 PPG. 

Ekeler after Gordon returned, 6.3 carries per game, 3.3 fantasy points per game as a rusher. 6.91 targets per game/5.66 receptions per game and 13.7  fantasy points per game as a receiver. 17 fantasy points per game in total without Gordon. 2.25 over Cohen's 2018, which is not nothing but similar.

Now if you want to take a pro Ekeler stance you can say well Gordon is likely gone. I'd agree but they also probably add someone. What I think is a far bigger concern for a RB  who makes so much of his production in the passing game is unless they sign Brady, which could be a boon for him, we might be looking at a Tyrod keeping seat warm for a rookie and my guess is that rookie is Tua who probably won't play all year or Hebert who is more mobile and not as prone to need to throw short passes as Rivers.

I think Ekeler will be hard pressed to ever have that kind of fantasy production again as a receiver and I don't think he'll ever be a major producer as a runner.

In answer to your question specifically if you need a RB I don't think it's off to pay a first in back quarter, take that up to mid first if they landed someone like Brady(which I don't think they will).

 

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7 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

No, it's not. But thanks.

I won't talk your ear off, but...

Gave Njoku, Dunlap, and Greenlaw and got Danielle Hunter.  Guy then flipped Njoku for Lavonte David.   So Hunter = David, Dunlap and Greenlaw.

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1 hour ago, menobrown said:

Woke up today to someone trying to trade him to me for both 6 and 8.

I consider him a sell. His fantasy production was under 5 points per game as a runner, about 15 as a receiver and both of those numbers dipped when Gordon was available and I expect them to add another RB.  I like RB's who are heavily involved in the passing game, but when it's mainly what you do you are basically Tarik Cohen which is not horrible but not worth what people are paying either.

Cohen slumped last year but his 2018 season was not that wildly far from what Cohen's season looked like when Gordon was playing last year.

Cohen in 2018, 6.18 carriers per game, 3.88 fantasy points per game as a rusher.  5.56 targets per game/ 4.43 receptions per game, 10.85 fantasy points per game as a receiver. Total fantasy production 14.73 PPG. 

Ekeler after Gordon returned, 6.3 carries per game, 3.3 fantasy points per game as a rusher. 6.91 targets per game/5.66 receptions per game and 13.7  fantasy points per game as a receiver. 17 fantasy points per game in total without Gordon. 2.25 over Cohen's 2018, which is not nothing but similar.

Now if you want to take a pro Ekeler stance you can say well Gordon is likely gone. I'd agree but they also probably add someone. What I think is a far bigger concern for a RB  who makes so much of his production in the passing game is unless they sign Brady, which could be a boon for him, we might be looking at a Tyrod keeping seat warm for a rookie and my guess is that rookie is Tua who probably won't play all year or Hebert who is more mobile and not as prone to need to throw short passes as Rivers.

I think Ekeler will be hard pressed to ever have that kind of fantasy production again as a receiver and I don't think he'll ever be a major producer as a runner.

In answer to your question specifically if you need a RB I don't think it's off to pay a first in back quarter, take that up to mid first if they landed someone like Brady(which I don't think they will).

I generally agree with this. I am a big Ekeler fan, and I think he is definitely better than Cohen.

However, I think 2019 was likely his career year. I would feel a lot better about him if Rivers was back. With presumably Tyrod and/or a rookie QB in place of Rivers, I think the Chargers pass attempts will be reduced, reducing Ekeler's targets, and I think the quality of Ekeler's targets will also drop.

I would love to see him prove me wrong, but I think he is a sell.

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3 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

 

So...No. 

Which is what I thought.

The answer is yes.....but you didn't give enough info to provide a proper value for the top IDP's guys in your situation.

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5 minutes ago, Gally said:

The answer is yes.....but you didn't give enough info to provide a proper value for the top IDP's guys in your situation.

Even if I did, because all the variables by league are different, it would still be just a best guess on your part.

Which I guess IS what I was asking - but now I'm regretting it.

Just for fun - Zealots scoring:

Sacked a QB - 1 point for every .5

Quarterback Hits - 1 point each

Tackles - .75 point for every .5

Assists - .75 points each

51 man roster

Total Starters:18

Number of Starting QBs:1

Number of Starting RBs:1-5

Number of Starting WRs:2-5

Number of Starting TEs:1-5

Number of Starting DT+DEs:3

Number of Starting LBs:3

Number of Starting CB+Ss:3

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7 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Number of Starting DT+DEs:3

This alone makes the top DL guys very valuable.

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Just now, tangfoot said:

This alone makes the top DL guys very valuable.

I agree. But IDP participants are weird. Half seem to value players according to worth and others seem to bake them according to where like good players would typically be drafted. So Hunter is probably(?) worth a first+ because of his talent but isn't perceived that way because he was likely drafted in the third+ round.

Anyway, this probably IS a topic for the IDP forum. Don't really want it clogging things up here.

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Andy, I have a zealots team too and I have played there for a while so I will give my input. I know you have played their for a while too so you probably know that in rookie drafts the top LB generally goes late first round to mid 2nd (pick 10-18) and DL generally seems to go mid round 2 (pick 15-25) but when an elite DE comes up they sometimes jump to round 1. DB seems to slide into that late round 2 to somewhere in round 3 range so lets say (pick 20-30 range).

I generally think IDP guys in zealots (especially DL) rookie drafts get drafted too early. That being said if I had to assign a value to Leonard and Hunter I would say Leonard is probably in that 11-16 range and Hunter in that 12-18 range as their perceived market value.

I know I am loaded with picks this year (3,5,11,12,15,17,27,32,36,39,45,51,60,63,65,72) and a handful of them are in Chase Young territory but I am hard pressed to draft him based on my need on offense and owning C.Jones, Clowney, Cam Heyward, Hubbard, Ingram and Ioannidis. While it takes reaching with a pick a bit to get a guy like Miles Garrett or Chase Young if I am drafting the smart money is passing on them with your picks. For the most part my guess is I would be lucky to get round 3 picks for what I have at DL and I added Hubbard and Ioannidis on the free agent market last year so I feel I can find DL help when needed so I think what I outlined is a pretty accurate market value I find good LB difficult to acquire and DL easy to acquire in general.

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@Warhogs good stuff!

I guess I did get my answer after all - the top IDP players are worth late 1sts/early 2nds. About what I thought. Specifically, I was asking because I'm in rebuild and was eyeing giving up Leonard for the available 1.11 pick.

Thanks guys! 👍

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2 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Even if I did, because all the variables by league are different, it would still be just a best guess on your part.

Which I guess IS what I was asking - but now I'm regretting it.

Just for fun - Zealots scoring:

Sacked a QB - 1 point for every .5

Quarterback Hits - 1 point each

Tackles - .75 point for every .5

Assists - .75 points each

51 man roster

Total Starters:18

Number of Starting QBs:1

Number of Starting RBs:1-5

Number of Starting WRs:2-5

Number of Starting TEs:1-5

Number of Starting DT+DEs:3

Number of Starting LBs:3

Number of Starting CB+Ss:3

This would be considered balanced scoring because the sack values are so low vs the tackle numbers.  This really devalues the OLB's like Miller and Mack.  They don't get the tackle numbers to be worthwhile.  I assume the overall weekly scoring for IDP's is in line with the offense.  Meaning a average top IDP score for the week seems to be about 15 pts which would be about the same as the top offensive scoring guys.  If that assumption is wrong then the IDP's will drop/rise depending on where the scoring falls out.

 

Tackle hogs like Leonard will be priority players for most owners once IDP's start going off the board.  Some of the elite DL's could also be at that level....guys like Donald, Chandler Jones (if DE eligible), Hunter would fall into this category.  Basically the big name guys that most people know as good defensive players.  I would equate these guys to the RB/WR 15-25 range for value. 

 

However, one place you can gain an advantage is by putting in the time on the IDP side.  There are always lesser known guys that can give you 90-95% of the points of the "marquee" IDP players.  You can look to trade high on the name guys and back fill with the lesser name guys and not lose too much scoring.  This is where you can gain an advantage.  This also works in the draft.  You don't have to be the first to go after IDP if you have done your research. 

 

Typically everyone has the same offensive information.  There are thousands of cheat sheets and rankings so you cannot really find sleepers late.  However, you can get an edge on the IDP side if you do your homework because the sleeper/breakout guys info is harder to find. 

 

Hope this helps.....

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I get:

Elliott, Ezekiel DAL RB

Year 2021 Round 2 Draft Pick

I give:

Hill, Tyreek KCC WR

Year 2021 Round 1 Draft Pick

Is this an instant accept, strictly from a value point of view?

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1 hour ago, roarlions said:

I get:

Elliott, Ezekiel DAL RB

Year 2021 Round 2 Draft Pick

I give:

Hill, Tyreek KCC WR

Year 2021 Round 1 Draft Pick

Is this an instant accept, strictly from a value point of view?

I don't know that it is an instant accept depending on starting requirements and scoring. Example: I play in a PPR dynasty league where you must start at least 1 RB and up to 3. You must start I think it's 2 WR but up to 6. WR gains some value in a PPR format where you can start as little as 1 RB and up to 6 WR especially with the short dominant career span of most RB. That said, in this instance Reek has had some injury concerns so he is no slam dunk either. Both have had some off field issues in their past. I would be curious on starting lineup requirements and their PPG averages last year in your scoring.

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Add: I looked in my league Zeke was 2 PPG higher than Hill last year so in my league I would drop from round 1 to round 2 to gain the 2 points based on last year.
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4 minutes ago, Warhogs said:

Add: I looked in my league Zeke was 2 PPG higher than Hill last year so in my league I would drop from round 1 to round 2 to gain the 2 points based on last year.

I think this is the only part of your analysis I disagree with.  We don't get points for last season, and there are a couple things different in both Dallas (new coach, loss of Amari?) and Kansas City (injuries to both Hill and Mahomes last year) which would indicate that 2019 may not be the best choice to model future production after.

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1 hour ago, roarlions said:

I get:

Elliott, Ezekiel DAL RB

Year 2021 Round 2 Draft Pick

I give:

Hill, Tyreek KCC WR

Year 2021 Round 1 Draft Pick

Is this an instant accept, strictly from a value point of view?

I would say it is not an instant accept because I am not really sure which side I prefer. 

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Yeah that probably was a bit of a lazy point of analysis and I would probably look into a longer stretch of time and the situations more closely if it was my trade.

 

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I suppose you could also look at draft rankings and ask yourself if Elliott is say #5 overall and Hill is #20 overall would I give that pick value up to move up. My general opinion is that in scoring formats with a lot of flex spots many owners tend to over value a RB compared to a WR.

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1 minute ago, Warhogs said:

I suppose you could also look at draft rankings and ask yourself if Elliott is say #5 overall and Hill is #20 overall would I give that pick value up to move up. My general opinion is that in scoring formats with a lot of flex spots many owners tend to over value a RB compared to a WR.

I see them at 12 and 17 in a recent SF draft.  They are at 5 and 9 currently on Mizelle.

As someone else pointed out, the scoring system and starting requirements do come into play.

From a different perspective, which player would you have an easier time retrading?  I think too many owners are still spooked by Hill's off the field issues (which resulted in zero suspension), and Zeke is the asset who could be resold to more teams.

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Another factor that gets overlooked is just how good is your team. If I am stacked top to bottom I am more willing to give up that pick swap. If my starting lineup has a couple of meh starters I would rather use the draft capital to improve one of those meh starters because that probably benefits my overall starting lineup more.

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6 minutes ago, Warhogs said:

I suppose you could also look at draft rankings and ask yourself if Elliott is say #5 overall and Hill is #20 overall would I give that pick value up to move up. My general opinion is that in scoring formats with a lot of flex spots many owners tend to over value a RB compared to a WR.

Last year before the season started I moved Zeke in one of my PPR dynasty leagues (where I was pretty good depth wise at RB) got Michael Thomas and the 1.12 and 2.12 (which turned into Henderson and Smith Jr. While I haven't had much dividends from the draft picks, I do think that was warranted in the deal, and obviously Thomas had a huge year. 

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Thanks for all of the replies. My initial reaction was that it probably would be worth giving up Hill and moving down a round next year to get Zeke, but after looking at some rankings and ADP it looks like the 2 of them are closer than I thought. I really didn't think that Hill was considered a top 10 (or near top 10) player.

The league where I received the offer is similar to the one Warhogs described, with minimal required starters at RB/WR/TE and 3 flex positions. Looks like Zeke scored almost 3 points more per game than Hill did in this league. However, in 2018 Hill scored 328 points in this league and while I don't expect a repeat of that season something around 300 points seems reasonable if he stays healthy and out of trouble. The last 2 years Zeke has had 312 and 329 points in this league, so Zeke probably has a slight edge in scoring.

Adding Zeke would give me a backfield of him, Kamara, Lindsay and Damien Williams (plus others). Subtracting Hill would leave me with Godwin, Woods, Mike Williams, and Cooks (plus others) at WR.

Tough decision but I'm inclined to not move down in the draft to gain maybe a couple of points per game (if that). Seems to be a decision between the risk of Hill getting in more trouble vs. the changes in Dallas and the shorter playing career for RBs.

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2 hours ago, roarlions said:

I get:

Elliott, Ezekiel DAL RB

Year 2021 Round 2 Draft Pick

I give:

Hill, Tyreek KCC WR

Year 2021 Round 1 Draft Pick

Is this an instant accept, strictly from a value point of view?

Wow I like it. A legitimately difficult trade to gauge. 

*Inserts comment about how it depends on your roster and needs*

My takeaway is Hill>>Zeke by a small to moderate margin in terms of value to your boxscore over time. Hill should have much more fantasy relevant longevity than Zeke. But Zeke might win ships for you right now. But in a vacuum (another overused statement but it works) I take Hill over Zeke and so the 1st over the 2nd makes it a slam dunk. But outside of a vacuum I might go the other way to win now.

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7 hours ago, roarlions said:

I get:

Elliott, Ezekiel DAL RB

Year 2021 Round 2 Draft Pick

I give:

Hill, Tyreek KCC WR

Year 2021 Round 1 Draft Pick

Is this an instant accept, strictly from a value point of view?

I think it’s close enough to let the projection of the picks determine it. If you are giving a potential early first and getting a potential late 2nd, then no way. If it’s the other way around, it’s much more difficult.

It’s also hard to project a full year ahead, so I think I’d lean towards the Hill side and hope that first turns out to be early.

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2 hours ago, kutta said:

I think it’s close enough to let the projection of the picks determine it. If you are giving a potential early first and getting a potential late 2nd, then no way. If it’s the other way around, it’s much more difficult.

It’s also hard to project a full year ahead, so I think I’d lean towards the Hill side and hope that first turns out to be early.

The team giving up Zeke and the 2nd round pick was the league champ this past season. Likely to be a playoff team at the least and possible league champ again. My team made it to the semifinals in 2019 and I'd expect to do as well next season. So I'd be giving up Hill and a likely late 1st round pick for Zeke and a late 2nd round pick.

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11 hours ago, Warhogs said:

I don't know that it is an instant accept depending on starting requirements and scoring. Example: I play in a PPR dynasty league where you must start at least 1 RB and up to 3. You must start I think it's 2 WR but up to 6. WR gains some value in a PPR format where you can start as little as 1 RB and up to 6 WR especially with the short dominant career span of most RB. That said, in this instance Reek has had some injury concerns so he is no slam dunk either. Both have had some off field issues in their past. I would be curious on starting lineup requirements and their PPG averages last year in your scoring.

Not sure what the original trader's scoring requirements are but in my leagues with standard PPR scoring the point difference was  more like 4ppg.

My worry with Tyreek is that he's more of a 75-1100-8 type guy than the 90-1500-12 type guy we saw when Mahomes broke every passing record in the book.  He went 75-1183 in 2017 and his 16 game pace this past year was 77-1146-9.  Of course he had the huge 2018 in between but that was when Mahomes threw for 5100 yards and 50 TDs, which he may or may not ever repeat and even if he does it's not like he'll be doing it every year.

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9 minutes ago, roarlions said:

The team giving up Zeke and the 2nd round pick was the league champ this past season. Likely to be a playoff team at the least and possible league champ again. My team made it to the semifinals in 2019 and I'd expect to do as well next season. So I'd be giving up Hill and a likely late 1st round pick for Zeke and a late 2nd round pick.

Well then, it’s pretty even. I may lean Zeke because RB’s are just tougher to acquire, but it’s a fair trade.

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1 hour ago, FreeBaGeL said:

 

My worry with Tyreek is that he's more of a 75-1100-8 type guy than the 90-1500-12 type guy we saw when Mahomes broke every passing record in the book.  He went 75-1183 in 2017 and his 16 game pace this past year was 77-1146-9.  Of course he had hte huge 2018 in between but that was when Mahomes threw for 5100 yards and 50 TDs, which he may or may not ever repeat and even if he does it's not like he'll be doing it every year.

Using his Alex Smith season has no merit to me.

Last year he sagged to me simply because he missed almost the entire offseason with legal issues, and then both he and Mahomes had injuries.

My only concern with him, and it's one that probably won't rear it's head for a few more seasons so plenty of time for an exit, is a player whose game is based so much on the rarest of speed suffers a rapid decline when that fades.

 

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47 minutes ago, menobrown said:

My only concern with him, and it's one that probably won't rear it's head for a few more seasons so plenty of time for an exit, is a player whose game is based so much on the rarest of speed suffers a rapid decline when that fades.

The counterpoint is that guys who are superfast can lose a step and still be fast. Desean, Vick, Hilton, Darrell Green. Can name lots of random players who could still succeed based on speed at an advanced age. Truth is in the middle, and all players decline, usually rapidly.

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Can I price check Adam Thielen ? I like him to bounce back next year - possibly without Diggs, low mileage for age etc. Thinking of offering James Conner to the owner as he has Jaylen Samuel, maybe i can fly it that he’d be locking up the Steelers back field, just wondering if I could push for more out of him than just Thielen. 
 

I think I’m one top WR or RB away from being a very strong contender and due to injuries, ended up with the 1.07 this year 

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Everywhere I look, I see Theilen ahead of Conner, but just barely.  It comes down to personal preference and team composition.

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4 hours ago, TartanLion said:

Can I price check Adam Thielen ? I like him to bounce back next year - possibly without Diggs, low mileage for age etc. Thinking of offering James Conner to the owner as he has Jaylen Samuel, maybe i can fly it that he’d be locking up the Steelers back field, just wondering if I could push for more out of him than just Thielen. 
 

I think I’m one top WR or RB away from being a very strong contender and due to injuries, ended up with the 1.07 this year 

 

3 hours ago, tangfoot said:

Everywhere I look, I see Theilen ahead of Conner, but just barely.  It comes down to personal preference and team composition.

It seems like Conner would have more perceived value than Thielen.  I guess both had down years due to injury but Conner seems like he would be valued more by the general community.  I would think it would be Thielen+ to get Conner so if you want Thielen I would think it should get done just offering Conner....

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5 hours ago, TartanLion said:

Can I price check Adam Thielen ? I like him to bounce back next year - possibly without Diggs, low mileage for age etc. Thinking of offering James Conner to the owner as he has Jaylen Samuel, maybe i can fly it that he’d be locking up the Steelers back field, just wondering if I could push for more out of him than just Thielen. 
 

I think I’m one top WR or RB away from being a very strong contender and due to injuries, ended up with the 1.07 this year 

Agree I like Theilen to bounce back and he's good value. I think both are valued the same, have not seen any of them traded individually in my leagues but have seen both as the minor parts of bigger packages. I personally would not push for more. I'd be motivated to get rid of Conner before the NFL draft. Some would argue he's as much as a bounce back candidate as Thielen and perhaps they will be right but Steelers are talking to about every notable RB at the combine and while sometimes that means diddly squat I get feeling they believe it's a big team need and whether or not Conner holds them off or not the damage to his value would already be done. You'd for sure not be able to sell him on locking up the backfield.

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6 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

Any thoughts on Carson for Preston Williams and 1.8?

I'd try to push for more (ask for a 3rd and be happy with a 4th?) based on Carson's fairly high rank on most outlets but I'd take that deal as is. For me, the final contract year and the short shelf life of an RB combine to make it a good time to dump him.

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1 hour ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

Any thoughts on Carson for Preston Williams and 1.8?

Since you're pretty new here, you don't know my opinion on Preston Williams.  Deal is fantastic as is to get The Unicorn, if you can milk more, why not?  

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