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Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (4 Viewers)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
We made a nice deal involving Daniel Jones (to me) and Sutton (to him) plus some other pieces/picks, so I was a little surprised.foxco said:
i would have taken a Lockett for him - that’s his 4th best WR.
i may throw that up to see if he bites.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Guys could I get your opinion on this trade offer? In the middle of a 12 team PPR dynasty start up (starting 1qb, 2rb, 2wr, 1te, 3 regular flex positions)
I was offered 5.1 and 6.7 for Sutton.
Current Roster (we are currently at the 4.12 pick in the startup draft)
Chubb
Nuk, AJB, Sutton, Ridley
I really like Sutton a lot, so curious if you guys think its worth moving him for those 2 picks. BA players at each position are QB- Murray, Watkins RB- Vaughn, Moss, Gordon, Bell WR- ALL rookie WRs, Diggs, Samuel, McLaurin, TE- Ertz, Engram
I was offered 5.1 and 6.7 for Sutton.
Current Roster (we are currently at the 4.12 pick in the startup draft)
Chubb
Nuk, AJB, Sutton, Ridley
I really like Sutton a lot, so curious if you guys think its worth moving him for those 2 picks. BA players at each position are QB- Murray, Watkins RB- Vaughn, Moss, Gordon, Bell WR- ALL rookie WRs, Diggs, Samuel, McLaurin, TE- Ertz, Engram
robb
Footballguy
This would be a tough one for me! I love Sutton, but a reason to make the trade is you have great WR. You could use Murray and a RB.
Seems to be pretty good value for Sutton. You say ALL rookie WRs are available, and there are owners who may prefer Lamb or Jeudy straight up. Take one of them at 5.1 and BPA at 6.07. The downside is your team is built well to compete today
Zyphros
Footballguy
I don't think I do it. I'm pretty high on Sutton overall though. None of who you mentioned is BA is a guy I'd really want to target in a startup (maybe McLaurin but I'd rather fade). Sutton is beast potential and steady. The only question is that offense in general but I'm not too concerned about a WR's situation as long as they're good.
Just looking through my own rankings guys I have ranked near Diggs/McLaurin are OBJ/Robinson/Chark/Ridley/Lockett/Woods/Slayton/top5 rookie WR's, for WR's and Ekeler/Drake/Guice/Gurley/Singletary/Ronald Jones/Melvin/Carson. None of the RB's are long term and the WR's are a little shaky with aged guys or questionable younger ones. I'd rather have Sutton unless you're really bullish on one of those young WR's.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Yes, typo, although he went later, but I took Murray at the 6.3 spot. ( I didn't make the trade and kept Sutton)
mcintyre1
Footballguy
Yeah, Fournette is hard to move in either direction from my experience so far -- I'm not going to sell him for what the "market value" is, and it seems like no one else who has him will either. Agree on the WR2-3 type addition to get that trade done, but not sure I'd do that myself.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I don't even like Fournette and I wouldn't trade him & Harry for Sanders.
Of course, based on nothing, I'm a believer in Harry making a leap this season.
Of course, based on nothing, I'm a believer in Harry making a leap this season.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
I've offered Fournette and Mike Williams for Sanders, Jacobs and others in the same range and no bites at all.
Nobody wants Fournette.
Much like the Jags, I feel like Leonard will begrudgingly be on my roster when the season rolls around, and he'll probably be alright. You can just feel that value evaporating though.
Nobody wants Fournette.
Much like the Jags, I feel like Leonard will begrudgingly be on my roster when the season rolls around, and he'll probably be alright. You can just feel that value evaporating though.
Fournette = late 1st round rookie pick (if you can get someone to pay that)
Harry = mid-2nd round rookie pick (if you can get someone to pay that)
Sanders = worth ~rookie pick 1.03, but I don't think anyone who has that pick is trading it for Sanders. Let's say 1.05 to be safe.
I don't see any 2020 rookie draft scenarios where someone is giving up 1.05 for late 1st/mid-2nd. You're looking at like 1.08/1.09 for that kind of deal.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Am I the only one who assigns pick values to players in order to gauge whether a deal is to my benefit or not?
I mean, in my head Sanders is worth ridiculously more than Fournette/Harry. I translated that into pick value for demonstration purposes
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Milkman
Footballguy
I'd give up the 1.05 for late 1st + mid-2nd in the draft.
I also value Fournette more than Sanders but it's close enough it could go either way.
I think most people see this draft as 7 top tier players and then a massive pool of next-tier guys. I see a significant drop off at 1.08, which is why I said owners would consider trading that one in for two picks.
Milkman
Footballguy
Yeah my rankings are always a bit of an outlier. The massive drop hits after the 1.02 for me and the prospects I value more are going off the board early 2nd this year.
I get what you're saying though. We just value Fournette and Sanders differently.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Neither Fournette/Harry nor Fournette/Williams would even get me a tiny bit interested as a Sanders owner. Those combos are short by at least a future 1st and honestly I'm not even sure I'd give up Sanders with the 1st thrown on top.
I just find it fairly likely that this is Fournette's last year as anything more relevant than a flex play during bye weeks. I doubt he has a workhorse role beyond next year and volume is the only thing he has going for him.
We just spent like 2 pages bagging on David Montgomery and I'm not sure I like Fournette much better than him.
I just find it fairly likely that this is Fournette's last year as anything more relevant than a flex play during bye weeks. I doubt he has a workhorse role beyond next year and volume is the only thing he has going for him.
We just spent like 2 pages bagging on David Montgomery and I'm not sure I like Fournette much better than him.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Quite the hype train Sanders has going.
Milkman
Footballguy
I got Fournette RB10 and Sanders RB14. Don't see Fournette having trouble getting a starting gig somewhere else after this year either if he has a nice year. Which I think he will.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
I hope you're right my man because I am a Fournette owner and I don't think I have much of a choice about that anymore.
Milkman
Footballguy
Contract year bro! Giddy up! Fournette would def be a buy low right now if I didn't already own him.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
What rookie pick would you give up to get LF? Just curious. I am not overtly high on him even this year because I think Thompson sheds some of his PPR value. But I do agree he could be a buy low.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I think I could get him for the 1.08 in my league but would rather have the pick even though it may be a good value. Doubt he gets resigned and then who knows where he ends up.
Riddick02
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
kutta
Footballguy
I like who's there at 1.07 and 2.04 this year so I'd lean that side, but it's close.
You'll get a better response if you post this in the Dynasty Completed Trades thread.
Zyphros
Footballguy
Had an offer in my inbox this morning, I saw it pretty quickly, took a few hours to think it through and made my call. Just wondering what the good people here would do.
The offer was,
Kamara and Kupp for my Jonathan Taylor and Miles Sanders
I'm really deep at RB (Sanders, Gurley, Taylor, Swift, Akers, Guice, Breida) and this is a full PPR league as well to help in your decision.
The offer was,
Kamara and Kupp for my Jonathan Taylor and Miles Sanders
I'm really deep at RB (Sanders, Gurley, Taylor, Swift, Akers, Guice, Breida) and this is a full PPR league as well to help in your decision.
Milkman
Footballguy
If you're buying low I'd try the 1.12 during the draft but he's worth the 1.06-1.07 to me. Nobody wants him but he's still a RB1. He could easily have double digit TDs this year. He wants to get paid so he's going to be super motivated and he played hard all year last year.
Boston
Footballguy
Zyphros
Footballguy
My trouble with it was that Kamara doesn't have a long term contract, and Kupp is soon to be 27 on a team that seems to be heading in the wrong direction with how they've managed the cap and their roster. That and I absolutely love me some Miles Sanders. I have them ranked back to back to back in my dynasty rankings at 6-7-8 (Kamara, Sanders, Taylor), and Kupp in that same tier as well. The questions lie with the 2 K's to me and I wasn't willing to take them.
Boston
Footballguy
I would do the deal if it is a start 3 WR but the start 2 WR format means you won't be getting the same value out of Kupp...tough to pass on Kamara but due to the position set-up of your league I would have to.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
In the middle of a 12 team startup PPR dynasty draft. AJG is sitting there in the late 9th. Am I nuts to think about taking him? I mean I know he's 31, but I think Burrow could do wonders for him. Thoughts on where you'd take him in a PPR dynasty? Is late 9th too early? Would you take Preston Williams or a rookie like Claypool or Hamler over him? For this roster he'd be my #6 WR (keep in mind we can start 5 using flex spots) as I have Nuk, AJB, Sutton, Ridley, Diontae Johnson. If I didn't take him or one of those WRs I could take a RB like Damien Williams, Howard or Gibson...but I keep looking at AJG. Do I need to walk away from Green?
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I think Terry McLaurin is criminally undervalued. Give me a reality check, please.
I see the holes in his profile - college production, breakout age, etc. - but think he’s already established a solid floor. I think he is about as good as Amari Cooper - today. Like Cooper he’s a nightmare to cover - he runs precise and explosive routes - and can win at all levels. Perhaps he doesn’t have the lateral agility that Cooper does, but he was better in traffic last season.
I’m probably wrong. Tell me why.
I see the holes in his profile - college production, breakout age, etc. - but think he’s already established a solid floor. I think he is about as good as Amari Cooper - today. Like Cooper he’s a nightmare to cover - he runs precise and explosive routes - and can win at all levels. Perhaps he doesn’t have the lateral agility that Cooper does, but he was better in traffic last season.
I’m probably wrong. Tell me why.
Boone22
Footballguy
I agree with you. As an example. A.J. Brown out scored McLaurin in my dynasty league by 3 points. 194 vs. 191. But McLaurin missed 1 game while Brown missed ZERO. And yet according to some sites (see below), Brown is ranked as WR11 in dynasty while McLaurin is all the way down at 25...why?
https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/rankings/dynasty-wr.php
http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/viewrankings-dynasty.php?viewpos=wr&howrecent=35
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
I think he is one of the next superstars in the league. The guy is really good. If people felt better about the QB situation, he would be valued higher. And it's a legit concern. I like don't love Haskins. I thought he showed improvement, which is probably the most important single thing a rookie QB can do. If they can take another step as an offense I see McLaurin really pouring it on. I'm biased because I am in love, so I will also need someone to talk me down.
Boston
Footballguy
The issue is not with him...he looks very legit...the combo of his QB situation and playing for the Redskins makes people nervous (and can you really blame them?)...the fact he had the rookie season he did in this situation can not be understated...if he were on a more stable team with a better QB situation his value would be thru the roof...because he's not now is the time to buy if you can because if Rivera can get things settled down there you are probably gonna have a stud.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
No argument here. Dude seems like an insane buy at his current value.
I get that people are scared of the situation, but the same can be said about AJB's situation and people can't buy him up fast enough. Now don't get me wrong I am a locomotive in the AJB hype train as well, but I don't see any reason McClaurin should be valued this much less than him.
If he were a hotter name coming out he would be untouchable right now. These are exactly the kind of guys I like to buy. I would take him over Metcalf straight up and he costs half as much.
I thought he looked very good as well.
For me, it comes down to the QB. I thought Haskins looked way out of his league last year. Unless he makes some huge strides or they are able to get someone competent at the position, I think you'll continue to see Terry's value suppressed.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Not a lot of talking down going on here.
