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4 hours ago, Concept Coop said:

It’s really hard to trade for starting RBs or high end TEs in-season. I mentioned Swift and Fant for that reason. It’s still possible to pivot from WR value though. The top 2 or 3 RBs from the 2021 class will be worth more than Juju or Moore in April. But you might be able to get the picks to select them with (and then some) for Juju or Moore today, for example. 

Yeah that is a good point, though if the pick belongs to its original team l've found it can be difficult to convince a rebuilding team to trade away picks, even if it's for young players.  A lot of people just have it stuck in their head that rebuilds should be done largely through the draft.  And to be fair to them, guys like JuJu and DJM aren't players I would be looking to rebuild around myself.

The bigger issue for me is I play mostly in FFPC/Apex leagues that both use means other than just reverse standings to determine draft order in order to prevent tanking.

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Complete PPR rebuild:

Lockett for Sutton/Mooney

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On 10/15/2020 at 7:31 AM, Blick said:

I offered Henry for Lamb/3rd. Rejected with no counter. 

If I was contending in the next year or two I’d take that for Lamb.

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1 hour ago, Blick said:

Complete PPR rebuild:

Lockett for Sutton/Mooney

Not sure why the Sutton owner would do that but ok...

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18 hours ago, Concept Coop said:

Sounds like we just disagree on Fant. He’s 22 YO and only in his second season. That he’s already a mid-TE1 is a great sign, but that’s not why he’s valuable. You’re buying his ceiling, not his floor. Fant doesn’t need TDs to be relevant. He’s on a 76/880 over 16 game pace. Those are Ertz numbers. Already. Small sample size, but again, you’re buying his ceiling. 

I hate to use the name but Fant reminds me of Hernandez...his athleticism is very noticeable.

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James Robinson for a late first doesn't appear to even start a conversation in non-ppr dynasty. 

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33 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

James Robinson for a late first doesn't appear to even start a conversation in non-ppr dynasty. 

He seems to be going from over-rated to under-rated at warp speed.

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What to people think about Golladay?  He seems to be a little bit of a forgotten/over-looked WR right now...not one of the young studs like Lamb or Metcalf but not really in the Hopkins/Thomas/Adams conversation as well.

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40 minutes ago, Boston said:

What to people think about Golladay?  He seems to be a little bit of a forgotten/over-looked WR right now...not one of the young studs like Lamb or Metcalf but not really in the Hopkins/Thomas/Adams conversation as well.

I think that makes sense though.  He's not as young as Lamb/Metcalf and not as productive as Hopkins/Thomas/Adams.

He turns 27 in two weeks and has a career best finish of WR14 in ppg (WR9 overall).  WR21 in PPG so far this year.  That is just boring production for a 27 year old in the modern era.

ARob is the same age and has beaten Golladay's career best 3 times.

Given what we talked about on the prior page about the current overflow of great fantasy WRs, I can see why he's being overlooked.  He's a year younger than guys like Lockett/Woods, with less production, for twice the cost.

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1 hour ago, Andy Dufresne said:

James Robinson for a late first doesn't appear to even start a conversation in non-ppr dynasty. 

 

44 minutes ago, Boston said:

He seems to be going from over-rated to under-rated at warp speed.

Hold the phone...I got one! A mid to late first.

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I have Robinson in my only non-PPR league and wouldn't sell him for a late 1st.

Non-ppr is all about the RBs.  That also makes late 1sts less valuable than a typical PPR league since 2nd tier WR prospects like Ruggs, Pittman, etc aren't as valuable there and you have to REALLY hit on a true stud (like Jefferson this year) to get much out of the pick.

I think Robinson is probably worth somewhere around a late 1st in PPR, maybe a little more.  In non-PPR which both increases his value and decreases the value of the pick, I would pretty quickly reject it if that offer came my way, personally.

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4 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

I have Robinson in my only non-PPR league and wouldn't sell him for a late 1st.

Non-ppr is all about the RBs.  That also makes late 1sts less valuable than a typical PPR league since 2nd tier WR prospects like Ruggs, Pittman, etc aren't as valuable there and you have to REALLY hit on a true stud (like Jefferson this year) to get much out of the pick.

I think Robinson is probably worth somewhere around a late 1st in PPR, maybe a little more.  In non-PPR which both increases his value and decreases the value of the pick, I would pretty quickly reject it if that offer came my way, personally.

People say this a lot. I have not found it to be true. I think it's a variant of the Mandela Effect.

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1 hour ago, FreeBaGeL said:

I have Robinson in my only non-PPR league and wouldn't sell him for a late 1st.

Non-ppr is all about the RBs.  That also makes late 1sts less valuable than a typical PPR league since 2nd tier WR prospects like Ruggs, Pittman, etc aren't as valuable there and you have to REALLY hit on a true stud (like Jefferson this year) to get much out of the pick.

I think Robinson is probably worth somewhere around a late 1st in PPR, maybe a little more.  In non-PPR which both increases his value and decreases the value of the pick, I would pretty quickly reject it if that offer came my way, personally.

I think he’s worth more than that in PPR leagues, even. At best you’re looking at RBs with 3rd round pedigree in a questionable landing spot in the later part of the first round of rookie drafts. We’ve been spoiled recently by guys like Hunt and Kamara, but they’re outliers. You’re lucky if your late first round RB ever has the opportunity that Robinson has today. Those who appear to on draft day (Montgomery comes to mind) go early/mid. You’re usually looking at Zack Moss types. I guess if you’re not at all sold on the talent, a late 1st makes sense. But draft pedigree should be all but moot by now. It’s clear that the NFL missed and Robinson would be drafted in a redo. Likely ahead of Moss, Dillon, and maybe even Akers, in my opinion. 

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21 minutes ago, Concept Coop said:

I think he’s worth more than that in PPR leagues, even. At best you’re looking at RBs with 3rd round pedigree in a questionable landing spot in the later part of the first round of rookie drafts. We’ve been spoiled recently by guys like Hunt and Kamara, but they’re outliers. You’re lucky if your late first round RB ever has the opportunity that Robinson has today. Those who appear to on draft day (Montgomery comes to mind) go early/mid. You’re usually looking at Zack Moss types. I guess if you’re not at all sold on the talent, a late 1st makes sense. But draft pedigree should be all but moot by now. It’s clear that the NFL missed and Robinson would be drafted in a redo. Likely ahead of Moss, Dillon, and maybe even Akers, in my opinion. 

Likewise, it's few and far between that undrafted rookie RBs who flash a bit sustain any form of long term value.  I think Robinson has looked solid, but he's not special.  I'm insta-trading Robinson for a late 1st in ppr leagues without giving it much consideration.  Especially for a 2021 1st, as that WR class looks stacked once again. 

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I think @Concept Coop and @FreeBaGeL are exactly right on this, and it’s a shift in my usual mindset as I typically lean on WRs and throwing spaghetti at RBs in my PPR dynasty leagues. That said, the WR advantage just doesn’t feel like it exists anymore, and with the depth of the position, nobody ever wants one in a trade - especially not for a RB. 

This got me to thinking, what young-ish RB1 or RB2 types could you realistically acquire right now for a reasonable price. James Robinson has been discussed quite a bit, but he strikes me as one you may be able to acquire with a young upside WR. The other that jumped out at me is not a rookie, but is younger than Saquon, Chubb, Mixon, and Miles Sanders, and is only six months older than Josh Jacobs ... one Ronald Jones, who despite entering his third year in the NFL was mothballed year 1 and still just turned 23 in early August. 

Everyone interpreted Tampa’s moves this offseason as an indictment of Jones - as looking to replace Jones, though I argued in his thread at the time they may simply be a reflection of the depth they felt they lacked. They drafted Vaughn (who’s older than Jones by three months) to upgrade Ogunbowale who served as their third down back in 2019 (and was summarily cut this year). They then realized how far behind he was (partially due to COVID) and signed McCoy. They then realized he was basically washed and signed Fournette as cheap insurance.

At this point, I can’t see them taking RB1 duties away from Jones with how he’s playing. It feels like they’d lose the locker room given his production - play the best players after all. At the same time, the narrative that Arians will screw with him and/or Fournette will take his job is making him available and/or cheaper than he should be.

Again, Jones was basically mothballed as a rookie, just turned 23, and essentially is entering his second season and playing like a stud RB1 over the past month. How much would that player typically cost? Far more than it takes to acquire Jones right now. 

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6 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

Likewise, it's few and far between that undrafted rookie RBs who flash a bit sustain any form of long term value.  I think Robinson has looked solid, but he's not special.  I'm insta-trading Robinson for a late 1st in ppr leagues without giving it much consideration.  Especially for a 2021 1st, as that WR class looks stacked once again. 

He’s the only undrafted rookie RB In history to produce this much this early. The sample is one. I don’t see value in correlating by UDFA status anymore. It won’t play a role in him keeping or losing the job, which I think he is on his way to securing for the foreseeable future. None of the rookies have looked special, but Robinson has looked better than all of them, with the exception of CEH. He hasn’t just flashed a bit, he’s been one of the better backs in the league. If your only exposure and context was watching the 2020 season, would anyone say Zeke is a better football player than James Robinson, for example? 

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Any Dak trades? I've been thinking of trying to upgrade at WR with a non competitive team in need of a long term qb.

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10 minutes ago, Concept Coop said:

He’s the only undrafted rookie RB In history to produce this much this early. The sample is one. I don’t see value in correlating by UDFA status anymore. It won’t play a role in him keeping or losing the job, which I think he is on his way to securing for the foreseeable future. None of the rookies have looked special, but Robinson has looked better than all of them, with the exception of CEH. He hasn’t just flashed a bit, he’s been one of the better backs in the league. If your only exposure and context was watching the 2020 season, would anyone say Zeke is a better football player than James Robinson, for example? 

His value is similar to Ekeler in that sense imo.

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I don't know what it takes to get Ronald Jones, but its certainly way more than it would have been this summer.

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15 minutes ago, Concept Coop said:

He’s the only undrafted rookie RB In history to produce this much this early. The sample is one. I don’t see value in correlating by UDFA status anymore. It won’t play a role in him keeping or losing the job, which I think he is on his way to securing for the foreseeable future. None of the rookies have looked special, but Robinson has looked better than all of them, with the exception of CEH. He hasn’t just flashed a bit, he’s been one of the better backs in the league. If your only exposure and context was watching the 2020 season, would anyone say Zeke is a better football player than James Robinson, for example? 

Additionally, go look at his thread for the combine metrics I posted from him. Other than his 40-time, everything jumped off the page. Let’s not forget it was a COVID year where he didn’t get to run a pro day 40-time (and improve on his 4.65, which isn’t really problematic anyway) or have any in-person team visits to wow a team and become a 4th rounder. 

If he had Josh Kelley’s draft slot, would anyone be doubting this?  I kinda don’t think so. 

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Good talk on the lower tier RBs...

I've sold Robinson for a later 1st, and have him in my weekly lineup for contending teams. I have no problem turning a quick profit. And almost had one owner accept a straight Robinson for Akers trade. Robinson has a high floor in PPR. I don't know what kind of competition or coaching staff he will have in 2021, but he's making a case for Jax to spend resources elsewhere. I'd buy for a late first if i was a contender, maybe high second if not if i had lots of draft capital (down on RBs in 2021, but WRs, TEs and QBs will fall to the 2nd and 3rd next year)

I sold Montgomery early this year in a rebuild (late 1st and 2nd), and targeted him in a couple leagues when I lost McCaffrey. Had to "settle" for Jones for a devy depleted 1st round rookie pick. Liking that trade since he has performed well and is still young enough to get better.

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47 minutes ago, Concept Coop said:

He’s the only undrafted rookie RB In history to produce this much this early. The sample is one. I don’t see value in correlating by UDFA status anymore. It won’t play a role in him keeping or losing the job, which I think he is on his way to securing for the foreseeable future. None of the rookies have looked special, but Robinson has looked better than all of them, with the exception of CEH. He hasn’t just flashed a bit, he’s been one of the better backs in the league. If your only exposure and context was watching the 2020 season, would anyone say Zeke is a better football player than James Robinson, for example? 

This is the beauty of dynasty leagues.  Odds are one of us is going to be likely very clearly correct.  If Robinson maintains his role as feature back for a few years, he’s easily worth a late 1st.  If he doesn’t, his value most definitely isn’t a 1st.  Consider me as betting on the latter.  Additionally, IMO despite solid production to date, draft pedigree absolutely plays a role in sustainability of value in dynasty leagues.  If Robinson and Swift both blow out their ACLs this week and you don’t think their draft pedigree and the investment of the 35th overall pick vs UDFA plays any role in future opportunities, we’d have to disagree.

Will be fun to watch.  Great discussion.

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1 hour ago, Andy Dufresne said:

I think my biggest problem with Robinson is that he's a Jaguar.

They've been just about as bad as can be and he's still producing. Not sure what could happen that would make his situation worse other than losing lineman to injury or free agency. 

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3 hours ago, SayWhat? said:

Likewise, it's few and far between that undrafted rookie RBs who flash a bit sustain any form of long term value.  I think Robinson has looked solid, but he's not special.  I'm insta-trading Robinson for a late 1st in ppr leagues without giving it much consideration.  Especially for a 2021 1st, as that WR class looks stacked once again. 

How long is a flash?

We're half way through the fantasy season and James Robinson is RB7, currently averaging 17 ppg.  And he's doing it with pretty good efficiency metrics too, on a team that everyone said a RB couldn't do that on when top 5 pick Leonard Fournette was slamming into the back of his linemen for 3 years.

So who are these examples, and how long were their flashes?  I couldn't find a single undrafted rookie RB that averaged 15ppg or more in their first 6 games (it's possible I'm missing someone as my query options are somewhat limited).  Robinson is averaging 17.

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16 minutes ago, roarlions said:

Josh Kelley vs Mims in a 12 team PPR dynasty league?

Easily Mims. Would expect their values to head in opposite directions next year. Ekeler returns from injury, and Mims likely gets a generational QB talent in Lawrence.

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2 hours ago, SayWhat? said:

This is the beauty of dynasty leagues.  Odds are one of us is going to be likely very clearly correct.  If Robinson maintains his role as feature back for a few years, he’s easily worth a late 1st.  If he doesn’t, his value most definitely isn’t a 1st.  Consider me as betting on the latter.  Additionally, IMO despite solid production to date, draft pedigree absolutely plays a role in sustainability of value in dynasty leagues.  If Robinson and Swift both blow out their ACLs this week and you don’t think their draft pedigree and the investment of the 35th overall pick vs UDFA plays any role in future opportunities, we’d have to disagree.

Will be fun to watch.  Great discussion.

I don’t know if we disagree.

Draft capital is most valuable to us an indicator of how the NFL viewed the player at the time they were drafted. There is more guess work involved with someone like Robinson, as we don’t have that. We can safely assume he’d be drafted, I think, but we don’t know where like we do with Swift. So draft capital is certainly a valuable datapoint for us this early in a player’s career, but only in the abstract. I don’t think an ACL tear would have been more damning for Arian Foster 7 weeks into his breakout season than it would have for Ben Tate.

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Robinson is eighth in points for the season but 13th the last three weeks (although the difference from 6 to 13 is admittedly small) so he's trending downward. The last part is what makes some jumpy.

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14 owner dynasty  idp superflex te premium league 
 35 man roster 
start  7 with 2 flex 
1 -2 qb , 1-3 rb ,3-5 wr , 1-2 te , 1k 

looking for an outside perspective on player value 

14 Aaron Rodgers 128.85 pts 25.770 ppg
26 Baker Mayfield 88.95 pts 14.82511.65 ppg 

what is the draft pick difference between those 2 players 
I'm having problems with coming up with a value
its the age old dilemma : youth  and possible high expectations VS age (2-3 good years left) and consistent production  

the top 5 qb in the league at this time 
1.Murray, Kyler ARI QB 180.10 pts 30.017 ppg
2.Mahomes, Patrick KCC QB 176.85 pts 29.475 ppg
3.Allen, Josh BUF QB 173.30 pts 28.883 ppg 
4.Wilson, Russell SEA QB 166.05 pts 33.210 ppg 
5.Prescott, Dak DAL QB 165.25 pts 33.050 ppg

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17 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Robinson is eighth in points for the season but 13th the last three weeks (although the difference from 6 to 13 is admittedly small) so he's trending downward. The last part is what makes some jumpy.

And his last 5 (of 6) games have included 4 of the worst 7 teams in the league against the rush, with the fifth being against the Lions (14th worst).  

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Just offered Zeke for a combination of Aaron Jones/Justin Jefferson or Kareem Hunt/Justin Jefferson/1st rounder and was pretty much rejected out of hand because the owner didn't want to part with receiver a in start-nine offense (1-5 RB, 2-5 WR, 1-5 TE, 1 QB). Zeke's value is not what it once was. 

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22 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Just offered Zeke for a combination of Aaron Jones/Justin Jefferson or Kareem Hunt/Justin Jefferson/1st rounder and was pretty much rejected out of hand because the owner didn't want to part with receiver a in start-nine offense (1-5 RB, 2-5 WR, 1-5 TE, 1 QB). Zeke's value is not what it once was. 

He’s looked pretty average this year. He’s not the same player he was as a rookie. Signing him to that massive contract was a huge mistake and it’s going to look worse and worse until they cut him in a couple years. 

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2 minutes ago, Concept Coop said:

He’s looked pretty average this year. He’s not the same player he was as a rookie. Signing him to that massive contract was a huge mistake and it’s going to look worse and worse until they cut him in a couple years. 

He looked, to me, better than he did last year. His line is just in shambles. I totally agree with what you're saying about not the same as a rookie or that contract. I happened to inherit him on a dynasty team and I'm sort of looking to get out from under it while it still has albatross-looking value.

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13 hours ago, Concept Coop said:

He’s the only undrafted rookie RB In history to produce this much this early. The sample is one. I don’t see value in correlating by UDFA status anymore. It won’t play a role in him keeping or losing the job, which I think he is on his way to securing for the foreseeable future. None of the rookies have looked special, but Robinson has looked better than all of them, with the exception of CEH. He hasn’t just flashed a bit, he’s been one of the better backs in the league. If your only exposure and context was watching the 2020 season, would anyone say Zeke is a better football player than James Robinson, for example? 

I was going to bring up Arian Foster. But, when I looked up his stats, I found he played 6 games his 1st NFL season and broke out in his first full (16 game) season.

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On 10/15/2020 at 10:33 AM, FreeBaGeL said:

This has been the foundation of my dynasty strategy for the last 3+ years now.  It seems like every year I'm getting in a discussion with someone on here who is saying "don't overreact to 4-5 weeks" and I'm replying with "underreacting to these 4-5 weeks is even more detrimental".  Glad to see someone coming in on the same side this year.

Like you said, it doesn't apply only to rookies.  Dynasty rankings change wildly from year to year but people/rankers are tentative about making big moves in-season, instead saving them for the following offseason even though the likely path is pretty clear in-season.

While I realize startup ADP isn't a perfect reflection of trade value it is probably the closest thing we have to putting a historic number to it.  Look at some of the guys that made moves in startup ADP from 2019 pre-season to 2019 4-5 weeks into the season and how that trend continued and amplified into the following offseason.

David Johnson fell from late 1st startup value to late 2nd startup value 4-5 weeks into last season.

Le"veon Bell fell from late 1st startup to early 2nd startup.

Odell Beckham early 1st -> late 1st

James Conner early 2nd -> mid 3rd

 

And the same thing in the other direction

Derrick Henry mid 4th startup pre-season to mid-3rd in October

AJ Brown mid 8th -> early 5th

DK Metcalf late 7th -> early 5th

Chris Godwin mid 5th -> late 2nd

 

Obviously it's not perfect and there are guys like Mixon who bounce back.  But consider that at this time last year selling OBJ for 1st round startup value was "selling low".  Selling Le'Veon/DJ for 2nd round startup value was "selling low".  Buying Derrick Henry at 3rd round startup value or AJB/DK at 5th round value were all "buying high".  Then consider what all those guys were worth once the offseason rolled around even though their pace through the rest of the season didn't really change.

 

There are plenty of guys that will follow that same trend this year, even if they seem obvious.  "Overpaying" for Claypool or Lamb or those guys is fine by me because buying high now might be the cheapest they will ever be moving forward.  Even obvious ones like Metcalf.  I look around trade threads and I see people wary about trading away Michael Thomas for DK+.  Yet it seems fairly likely/predictable that next offseason MT will not be enough for DK and even something like MT+1st probably won't be enough.  So he's a guy I'm buying "high" everywhere I can even at "outrageous" value because I don't think we've even begun to see "outrageous".

This is an interesting idea. Do you have access to start up ADP data? I suppose the mizelle data could be used for this. I noticed that goes several years back last time I looked at it. Yeah 2013 so we could compare the 2014 ADPs to 2020 for WR using this.

As someone who tries to do rankings I think at least part of the reluctance to change rankings mid seasons is that there is actually quite a bit of research and work that goes into those rankings that is just hard to do on a weekly basis and probably not necessary as these things are so fluid one week should not make a huge difference. I usually do look at things in 4 week frames. So a new ranking after 4 weeks would make some sense I guess. Perhaps my process for ranking isn't easy enough for that to be practical. 

I certainly do react to things in real time as you are talking about. I had Claypool ranked really low going into the season and my view on him has completely changed now. There is a lot of merit to what you and Connskins are talking about.

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On 10/20/2020 at 1:55 PM, FreeBaGeL said:

I have felt this way for years and it's amplified even more this year.

This season scoring is up across the board and most of it is going to the WR position. So the tide is lifting all boats. More viable choices at WR because of that right now.

On 10/20/2020 at 1:55 PM, FreeBaGeL said:

In my main league I am rolling out Hopkins/Tyreek/Lockett (or Jefferson for Lockett some weeks) and it feels like an unbeatable group.  But every week when I look across at the matchup my opponent is rolling out options that are basically a toss-up against them.

If your opponents are savvy enough they should be able to find match ups that mitigate your advantage somewhat. That doesn't mean that the players they are starting that week are more valuable than your WR every week.

On 10/20/2020 at 1:55 PM, FreeBaGeL said:

I actually had this discussion with someone 2 days ago when they were looking to move WR strength (Evans) for a RB and getting frustrated they couldn't make something happen.  I basically told them guys like Evans just aren't attractive to people anymore because everyone has plenty of good startable WRs, and everyone needs RBs.

The scarcity issue has always been there. Not many teams have more than two or so viable RB starters so anyone trading away a RB needs to have 4 or more good ones or they are hurting their starting line up. That said if you make a strong enough offer you should be able to get a top RB if you are willing to give up Hopkins or Hill for one.

On 10/20/2020 at 1:55 PM, FreeBaGeL said:

It's why I've been against the idea of building around WRs, which seems to be the popular strategy in dynasty, for years now.  People always say things like "once you get there you're set there for years and you can spend all your capital moving forward on RBs" and "if you are really stuck at RB you can always just trade some of that WR strength for RBs".

This sounds like something I have been saying for years except I would never say to put all of your capital into a certain position of players. Its still BPA.

When I have 6 or more good WR it isn't really hurting me to give up one of my best ones for a RB or draft picks to be used on a RB next year if I need one is the point of this.

On 10/20/2020 at 1:55 PM, FreeBaGeL said:

In practice neither of these are as romantic or realistic as they sound on paper.  Like I said in my main league I have Hopkins/Hill/Lockett (and several other good players) in my main league so it probably didn't make much sense to target a WR with my late 1st round pick.  But that doesn't mean it would have been a smart move to pass up on Justin Jefferson in favor of a RB hail marry like Vaughn.  Thank goodness I didn't do that but the idea of just "ignoring WRs because you're set there" just makes you perpetually lose out on good players that are relatively cheap to acquire.

Passing up a good player for a meh one is always a bad idea. Jefferson was a 1st round pick, Vaughn was a 3rd round RB with a questionable starter already on the team.

On 10/20/2020 at 1:55 PM, FreeBaGeL said:

Likewise the idea of trading WR strength for RB help sounds better on paper than it works out, mainly because pretty much every other team has WR strength and needs RB help so why would they trade a RB for a WR, which is the opposite of what they need?  To make a WR for RB trade you have to give up a bunch of value.  You can't just make a lateral trade between two guys that have similar value.  You usually have to move down a tier or two at RB to move a WR.

I have traded top RB for top WR before. Even when I don't necessarily need the WR but the trade allows me to upgrade.

I think the key to roster management is being proactive. Its always harder to make trades if your team is in a pickle of your own making. Its all about timing.

Dynasty owners are a pita to trade with. No doubt about that.

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What are people's thoughts on Brian Hill and Deejay Dallas for dynasty purposes?

Looking to rebuild for next year and Gurley and Carson are set to be free agents. New coaching regime in Atlanta obviously has to weigh in.

 

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13 hours ago, rockaction said:

Just offered Zeke for a combination of Aaron Jones/Justin Jefferson or Kareem Hunt/Justin Jefferson/1st rounder and was pretty much rejected out of hand because the owner didn't want to part with receiver a in start-nine offense (1-5 RB, 2-5 WR, 1-5 TE, 1 QB). Zeke's value is not what it once was. 

Well Aaron Jones has outperformed him for the last two seasons and (I think) is younger - but agree Zeke's trade value is not the same. I've had trouble trying to find anyone that wants to give fair value.

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51 minutes ago, zamboni said:

What are people's thoughts on Brian Hill and Deejay Dallas for dynasty purposes?

Looking to rebuild for next year and Gurley and Carson are set to be free agents. New coaching regime in Atlanta obviously has to weigh in.

 

Unlikely either one is ever a feature back imo.

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6 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Unlikely either one is ever a feature back imo.

Agreed...they are end-of-bench cross your fingers guys...they would barely hold any value to me as far as a deal I was doing.

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Pretty obvious there are is a ton of young high-end talent at the WR position with another solid rookie crop coming this year...on the flip-side there seems to be a lot questions creeping up at the QB position:

Nearing the end-Brees, Brady, Big Ben, Rivers

Still questions about future-Jimmy G, Bridgewater

Change possibly coming-Darnold, Newton, Minshew, Foles 

Probably safe but a little rocky right now-Mayfield, Lock, Cousins

Change definitely coming-WFT

Not looking to quibble about these categories because I am sure we can debate a few of them...just curious how Dynasty Owners are factoring in the QB position when evaluating WRs and how much it influences them when choosing between two WRs that are about even...

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2 hours ago, hispeedthinmint said:

DK Metcalf value is through the roof it seems in PPR...

His owner said he would want AJB + Lamar Jackson + more for him...

1QB? I would consider doing that. 

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Metcalf is my favorite dynasty WR at this point, but I don't think he's much ahead of AJB. 

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19 hours ago, Dawg Pound 69 said:

Easily Mims. Would expect their values to head in opposite directions next year. Ekeler returns from injury, and Mims likely gets a generational QB talent in Lawrence.

Any other thoughts on Kelley vs Mims?

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I think there's a pretty decent chance that Metcalf is the 1.01 startup pick next offseason.

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41 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

I think there's a pretty decent chance that Metcalf is the 1.01 startup pick next offseason.

I agree. With Russ and that offense he is going to be a beast for awhile.

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3 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

I think there's a pretty decent chance that Metcalf is the 1.01 startup pick next offseason.

I think he's already the favorite for WR1 in the offseason. 1.01 overall? I have trouble seeing that. There are just so many startable WRs that I think most will prioritize elite RBs. 

 

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