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48 minutes ago, Milkman said:

Traded for and drafted him everywhere. I knew this was coming. Called it before the season started. 

Pisses me off to no end that I didn't see it coming BEFORE this year. Thought he was another Tavon Austin.

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3 hours ago, Milkman said:

Traded for and drafted him everywhere. I knew this was coming. Called it before the season started. 

Reached for Hill and CMC as my projections had them both as top 3 at their position at the end of the year. CMC may not quite make it but working out nicely so far. All of my mocks had me taking Adams over Hill, which wouldn’t have been terrible either. Unfortunately no keeper status on Hill so I’ll enjoy it while it lasts. 

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On 11/4/2018 at 3:54 PM, Milkman said:

Meh Tyreek was a Top 3 WR imo but when the Chiefs go multiple games with out connecting deep with him he's not a top 3 WR. He just isn't getting the usage unfortunately. 

Gonna keep teasing you over this Milkman.

Oh ye of little faith!

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Some pretty freaking high praise here and I agree with everything he is saying about Hill's game but WOW to the bolded part. Author is Mike Lombardi and the Davis he references is Al.

 

https://theathletic.com/666441/2018/11/20/monday-night-football-chiefs-rams-jared-goff-patrick-mahomes/

But Hill is, indeed, a game changer and Davis would have loved having him on the field. His combination of rare explosive speed, hands, and power make him the most dangerous player in the NFL. Just based on the talent level on the field, if the Giants called and offered Odell Beckham Jr. for Hill, the Chiefs would laugh out loud. There is no offensive player like Hill in the NFL and there is no defender on any team that can take him out of the game. You cannot jam him at the line of scrimmage; he is too strong. You cannot allow him free access into his route; he is way too fast. He must be doubled on every single play regardless of where he aligns and Chiefs coach Andy Reid does a great job of finding ways to formation Hill away from double teams.

 

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1 hour ago, Truebluey said:

Gonna keep teasing you over this Milkman.

Oh ye of little faith!

It was true at the time and then they started connecting with him deep again. If they improve their defense it's not good for Tyreek. Hopefully they need to keep throwing deep to him. 

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3 hours ago, Milkman said:

It was true at the time and then they started connecting with him deep again. If they improve their defense it's not good for Tyreek. Hopefully they need to keep throwing deep to him. 

This is true to a huge extent, he does seem to thrive more when the Chiefs face adversity (Patriots, Rams) but then again...I had last week's game against Arizona pegged as a sure thing he'd be used to stretch the field for Hunt and Kelce and have a 4/50/0 type game but was flat out wrong, he had a huge game and the game script was Chiefs ahead mostly. He's unbenchable, doesn't matter who they play. Be sad when the season is over, so much fun to own this guy.

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Seriously, name one WR who is even in Hill’s zip code in terms of how your defensive gameplay changes when he is on the field?

answer: no one.  

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On 11/21/2018 at 2:41 PM, Milkman said:

It was true at the time and then they started connecting with him deep again. If they improve their defense it's not good for Tyreek. Hopefully they need to keep throwing deep to him. 

Back peddling like most of the guys that said he was a gadget guy, reliant on special teams, and rushing attempts....the guys that got it right called it WAY before this season started or even last season....the guys that truly got it right saw the talent and game changing potential when everybody else wanted to “wait and see”and thought he was a special teams gadget guy.....it’s ok to admit you were wrong or late to the party.....don’t try to jump in now and spin it like you “called it”....not solely talking about you milkman cause you obviously chang3c your tune after the fact...but more towards those who wrote him off very quickly...

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18 hours ago, zoonation said:

Best WR in the league.  Not even close, really.

Eh, That’s a bit much. If I had to start a team Nuk would be the first call I made without hesitation. Julio and AB would be right there too. 

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9 hours ago, Stinkin Ref said:

Back peddling like most of the guys that said he was a gadget guy, reliant on special teams, and rushing attempts....the guys that got it right called it WAY before this season started....the guys that truly got it right saw the talent and game changing potential when everybody else wanted to “wait and see”and thought he was a special teams gadget guy.....it’s ok to admit you were wrong or late to the party.....don’t try to jump in now and spin it like you “called it”....not solely talking about you milkman cause you obviously chang3c your tune after the fact...but more towards those who wrote him off very quickly...

Ok because i know i didn't draft him in dynasty but I traded for him after his rookie season in one dyno and traded for him when i missed him in a start up in another. I've been on this train for 2 years. I have posts in this thread ranking him my #1WR preseason. 

 

I did say i was going to move him down my rankings to a bottom end WR1 because Mahomes wasn't targeting him down the field at all for like 3 games. I was worried about the chiefs D getting too good and KC not needing to push the ball down the field. It was because I know this Mahomes/Tyreek combo can absolutely be the best the league has ever seen. I'm talking Brady/Moss and Manning/Harrison level good. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Elevencents said:

Eh, That’s a bit much. If I had to start a team Nuk would be the first call I made without hesitation. Julio and AB would be right there too. 

#1 FF asset period. I'd draft him first overall in a start-up. I know I'm the only one and it's close with some of the elite RB. I understand the argument and don't fault people for taking 4-5 guys in front of him but Mahomes is so good and they are both so young. That D worries me. I don't want that KC D getting any better......

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Just now, Milkman said:

#1 FF asset period. I'd draft him first overall in a start-up. I know I'm the only one and it's close with some of the elite RB. I understand the argument and don't fault people for taking 4-5 guys in front of him but Mahomes is so good and they are both so young. That D worries me. I don't want that KC D getting any better......

I would have a hard time arguing from a fantasy standpoint but I think he meant best WR from a player standpoint. I just think Nuk is QB proof because you throw it anywhere and he catches it. Hill hasn’t had a #### QB yet so not fair to him to say he’s not QB proof tho. 

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Mahomes is getting all of the love, and for good reason as he has been fantastic, but a strong argument could be made that Tyreek Hill is the most valuable player on the Chiefs offense.  I don't think it it is unreasonable to suggest that Hill scares the living daylights out of every DC in the NFL.  

As for best WR in the NFL, it is hard to say yet that he is unquestionably the best, but he is in the conversation right now.  He is not just a deep threat who runs fast and catches bombs.  He is tough and can run the route tree.  I was wrong about this guy...he is a phenomenal player. 

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I got snickered at picking him at 2.10, then proceeding to talk #### the rest of the draft about how I got the #1 wr. Bloom bloom!

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46 minutes ago, Elevencents said:

I would have a hard time arguing from a fantasy standpoint but I think he meant best WR from a player standpoint. I just think Nuk is QB proof because you throw it anywhere and he catches it. Hill hasn’t had a #### QB yet so not fair to him to say he’s not QB proof tho. 

He's going to play with Mahomes his entire peak barring injury to Mahomes. We'll never know but he did help Alex Smith have his best season ever. 

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19 hours ago, zoonation said:

Best WR in the league.  Not even close, really.

It's close.  He's got the best suited QB for him, the best suited offensive system for him, and the best suited play calling for him.  Put AB, Hopkins, OBJ in this offense and they'd be destroying people too, just in different ways.

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2 hours ago, Hankmoody said:

It's close.  He's got the best suited QB for him, the best suited offensive system for him, and the best suited play calling for him.  Put AB, Hopkins, OBJ in this offense and they'd be destroying people too, just in different ways.

Yep and he's not done developing. Either is Mahomes.......would love to see the D get worse. Even so if Tyreek stays at #1 this year he will be projected as the #1 WR in FF going into next year. 

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In today’s NFL ....not sure you have to worry about the Chiefs defense “staying bad”...teams realize with rules in place  that there really is something to be said for keeping your foot on the gas...and with the mentality I think these players and this coach have...it’s probably not something to worry about...I think they want to post 40 points whether the other team has 39 or 3...

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17 hours ago, Stinkin Ref said:

In today’s NFL ....not sure you have to worry about the Chiefs defense “staying bad”...teams realize with rules in place  that there really is something to be said for keeping your foot on the gas...and with the mentality I think these players and this coach have...it’s probably not something to worry about...I think they want to post 40 points whether the other team has 39 or 3...

The rules help but I would like to see as many games scripts as possible where the chiefs are down and throwing to catch up. It could take Tyreek to an even higher level.... 

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9 hours ago, Milkman said:

The rules help but I would like to see as many games scripts as possible where the chiefs are down and throwing to catch up. It could take Tyreek to an even higher level.... 

Not sure I agree with this. 

Chiefs were down late against Rams and Mahomes tried to force it to a double- or triple-covered Hill, and got picked twice. 

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Ok, here's a scenario for you...who would you rather have in a PPR league, Barkley or Hill? If you're offered Barkley for Hill, are you even tempted? Obviously it would depend on what you have at RB vs. what you have at WR, but is it something you'd at least give consideration to?

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4 hours ago, IheartGuinness said:

Ok, here's a scenario for you...who would you rather have in a PPR league, Barkley or Hill? If you're offered Barkley for Hill, are you even tempted? Obviously it would depend on what you have at RB vs. what you have at WR, but is it something you'd at least give consideration to?

I'd take Barkley in a heartbeat.

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5 hours ago, IheartGuinness said:

Ok, here's a scenario for you...who would you rather have in a PPR league, Barkley or Hill? If you're offered Barkley for Hill, are you even tempted? Obviously it would depend on what you have at RB vs. what you have at WR, but is it something you'd at least give consideration to?

In PPR Barkley all day. But there's an entire forum for that. 😎

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6 hours ago, IheartGuinness said:

Ok, here's a scenario for you...who would you rather have in a PPR league, Barkley or Hill? If you're offered Barkley for Hill, are you even tempted? Obviously it would depend on what you have at RB vs. what you have at WR, but is it something you'd at least give consideration to?

It's Hill for me in dynasty at this point. He's in a more stable situation........def feel that most people would take Barkley because of the positional value. 

I also see Barkley's value dropping (look at DJ this year) when the offense gets a rookie QB. Where I see Hill/Mahomes improving and being pretty stable the next 5-6 years......

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Tyreek Hill has drawn double-digit targets in all three games in which Sammy Watkins has either played fewer than 15 snaps or missed entirely.

Hill has averaged 12.3 targets with Watkins hurt and 7.1 targets in Kansas City's other eight games. Although we can't expect this small-sample split stat to carry over directly to Week 13, it does suggest Hill has an elevated target expectation with Watkins on the shelf. (Watkins is ruled out for Week 13 at Oakland with a foot injury.) You can read more splits and game-specific tidbits in Evan Silva's Week 13 Matchups column, accessible at the link below.

Source: Silva's Week 13 Matchups 

Dec 2 - 3:05 AM

 

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Didn't do much with his targets tonight. Quite a few drops in fact. 

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3 hours ago, ATB said:

Didn't do much with his targets tonight. Quite a few drops in fact. 

not that anyone cares, but if he would've caught just one of those I'd be heading into a 1st round bye lol. oh well. 

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7 hours ago, ATB said:

Didn't do much with his targets tonight. Quite a few drops in fact. 

A bunch of drops on his part and Mahomes missed him numerous times as well. Just a bad game all around for these two.

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54 minutes ago, shadyridr said:

A bunch of drops on his part and Mahomes missed him numerous times as well. Just a bad game all around for these two.

Mahomes missed him on two huge plays. One underthrown ball on one play that would have been a long TD and an overthrown ball on another play that would have been a 50+ yard TD. Tyreek alao dropped and easy 20 yard completion. So Tyreek had 6 points when he easily could have had 30+. It's never a good time for these games to happen but it's well within the likely outcomes. 

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1 hour ago, Milkman said:

Mahomes missed him on two huge plays. One underthrown ball on one play that would have been a long TD and an overthrown ball on another play that would have been a 50+ yard TD. Tyreek alao dropped and easy 20 yard completion. So Tyreek had 6 points when he easily could have had 30+. It's never a good time for these games to happen but it's well within the likely outcomes. 

Didn’t see game; did he have numerous drops or one?

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3 minutes ago, creepythinman said:

I saw only one drop on a pass that he should've actually caught.

It was one drop.  Mahomes missed Tyreek twice.  Should have been a monster game.

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On ‎11‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 9:51 AM, Milkman said:

I also see Barkley's value dropping (look at DJ this year) when the offense gets a rookie QB.

I'm not sure there are many situations worse for Barkley than Eli Manning and the current o-line.

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3 hours ago, Milkman said:

Mahomes missed him on two huge plays. One underthrown ball on one play that would have been a long TD and an overthrown ball on another play that would have been a 50+ yard TD. Tyreek alao dropped and easy 20 yard completion. So Tyreek had 6 points when he easily could have had 30+. It's never a good time for these games to happen but it's well within the likely outcomes. 

It was a very good time for a game like that....Week 13 with a Fantasy Playoff spot already clinched.

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1 hour ago, JackReacher said:

Didn’t see game; did he have numerous drops or one?

 

1 hour ago, creepythinman said:

I saw only one drop on a pass that he should've actually caught.

 

1 hour ago, dcgangstas said:

It was one drop.  Mahomes missed Tyreek twice.  Should have been a monster game.

I saw at least 3 that I would call drops. Weren't easy catches but he should have come down with them. One was egregious, the other two were iffy but imo were catchable balls, especially Tyreek's athleticism. 

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4 hours ago, Milkman said:

Mahomes missed him on two huge plays. One underthrown ball on one play that would have been a long TD and an overthrown ball on another play that would have been a 50+ yard TD. Tyreek alao dropped and easy 20 yard completion. So Tyreek had 6 points when he easily could have had 30+. It's never a good time for these games to happen but it's well within the likely outcomes. 

Good to know.  Single-handedly cost me two FFPC 'Ships.  'Specially since one of my opponents had Kelcey!

Chalk it up to bad luck and hope he crushes in the championship round and in regular league playoffs.

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3 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I'm not sure there are many situations worse for Barkley than Eli Manning and the current o-line.

Offenses tend to be better with elite QB and they are hard to find. KC has one. NYG do not. 

 

Something I've learned this year is also that coaching makes a bigger difference than people want to admit. Goff and DJ taught me that.......

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Well, I got one good week since trading for him. I hope he’s back next week or my team is toast. 

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If  I hang on to win, I’m facing either Mahomes or Kelce next week. Would really be nice to have him available 

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Tyreek Hill told NBC Sports' Peter King his foot is "bad."

Hill was in and out of the Chiefs' win over the Ravens, but he came up with big plays when it mattered. "Our people did a tremendous job wrapping my foot," Hill said. "I was still feeling my heel, but at the same time, I knew that man, if you want the W, if you want to be a great receiver, this is your moment to make plays." It is promising Hill was able to play through the injury on Sunday, but now he faces a short week to get ready for the Chargers on Thursday night. His practice status should be closely monitored all week. Dec 10 - 9:36 AM

Source: Football Morning in America

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/11458/tyreek-hill

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